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Streets closed in Warsaw during NATO summit

jon357 Activity: 53 / 10,844
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5 Jul 2016  #1

Here's a map of the roads closed to traffic (and pedestrians too should expect extra security) in Warsaw during the NATO summit. The road to the airport will also be periodically closed and they've advised people to travel there by train.

Worth remembering that if you're in the city centre it's a good idea to carry ID - the police will be doing spot checks

Personally, I'm staying out of the centre, enjoying the sun on the terrace ;-)

warszawa.wyborcza.pl/warszawa/1,34862,20351010,niedostepne-centrum-warszawy-zamkniete-ulice-autobusy-na-objazdach.html

Here's some info about parking in the city centre: basically, don't. Thousands of parking spaces have been removed so the ones left will be taken early.

warszawa.wyborcza.pl/warszawa/1,34862,20356165,szczyt-nato-w-warszawie-zaplanowano-pikiety-w-czasie-szczytu.html




johnny reb Activity: 10 / 2,151
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7 Jul 2016  #2

Very informative jon, good job.
I just don't see the publicity elsewhere to such a huge event which will influence Poland and it's people.
The Brexit seems to be more news worthy in Poland then what could influence their lives much more in the long run.

WARSAW - Polish leaders have been waiting for years for a NATO summit meeting that would recognize what, to them, is a self-evident reality: that the proper way to respond to an increasingly pugnacious Russia is to plant more alliance troops and weaponry along the eastern front.

But now that this is actually expected to happen during NATO's two-day gathering here this week, the question is whether - with Britain's startling exit from the European Union sucking up all the political oxygen - anyone will even notice.
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7 Jul 2016  #3

I just don't see the publicity elsewhere to such a huge event

If a bomb exploded somewhere in the vicinity of the National Stadium, the publicity would have been far greater, no doubt about that.

NATO's two-day gathering here this week

As far as NATO is concerned, the NATO summit in Warsaw has reminded me of a sketch I once heard on BBC Radio 4:

Psychoanalyst: - Mr Reagan, lie on the couch, will you? Today, we're going to do some word associations. Ready?
Mr Reagan: - Fire!!!!!
Psychoanalyst: - No, no, Mr Reagan, we haven't started yet!
Mr Reagan: - OK
Psychoanalyst: - Let's start then. North Atlantic Treaty Organization?
Mr Reagan: Sorry, sorry, I don't understand.
Psychoanalyst: - NATO, Mr Reagan, NATO!
Mr Reagan: - Ah, NATO ...

This is how the BBC were portraying Reagan and NATO some long time ago. Poland was a member of the opposite military pact at that time ...
Crow Activity: 129 / 5,527
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7 Jul 2016  #4

i don`t like to repeat myself but sometimes must. Its very wise from NATO ruling establishment that they closed streets during event. Message is clear, NATO leading powers don`t trust to Poles. Still, they would always gladly wage war against Russia, with Poland in it, in the middle of it. Actually, in Poland. That much Anglos, Francos and Germanics love Poles, love jokes on the account of Poles.
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7 Jul 2016  #5

Wasn't a road recently closed due to a bomb scare?
johnny reb Activity: 10 / 2,151
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8 Jul 2016  #6

Donald Trump questions NATO's relevancy to serve the U.S.A. as Obama heads to Poland.

msn.com/en-us/news/world/nato-could-be-at-its-most-critical-point-since-the-soviet-union-broke-up/
Polonius3 Activity: 978 / 11,628
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8 Jul 2016  #7

Merged: NATO summit - a slap in the face of fristrated KODists

What actual decisions are taken during the NATO summit remains to be seen, but one thing is certain. Poland's disloyal, all-out, anything-goes "oppositon"

(PO/.N/KOD) have done everything possible to derail and sabotage that key gathering. Because of their loss of power, influence and privilege, they used a purely internal row as a pretext to snitch on their own country to various international institutions and governments. Frequent snitching" pilgimages" to Brussels have inluded visits to NATO hq where KODists have persistently lobbied for a change of the Warsaw venue. They were politely heard out but ultimately ignored. In fact, the Petrus, Schetynas and Kijowskis are becoming unwelcome pests in the corridors of the EU, NATO and individual governments.

The situation is much the same at home. People are fed up wacthing the pointless KOD marches and hate placards, and their ranks are visibly thinning. Support for Petru's .N party is down to 6%.
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8 Jul 2016  #8

Change a few words and Polly's first post here could be a 1981 PAP press release about the destructive and dangerous influence of Solidarity against socialism, which most people in Poland support.

Polly, you are pure beton partyjny (look it up in wikipedia)
Polonius3 Activity: 978 / 11,628
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8 Jul 2016  #9

beton

The only beton hereabouts or those who want to preserve the scamster status quo of the Tusk era which Poles call "pogoda dla grandziarzy"!

It was the PRL oepratives who replied to legitimate complaints and criticism with emtpy slogans as you have done. You did not refute that snitching pilgirmages became part and parcel of the oppostion who were even preapred to comprise the nation's security to achieve their selfish aims.
mafketis Activity: 17 / 3,618
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8 Jul 2016  #10

You did not refute that snitching pilgirmages became part and parcel of the oppostion

I don't refute flying unicorns who give everybody ponies either.....
Harry Activity: 65 / 13,440
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8 Jul 2016  #11

Change a few words and Polly's first post here could be a 1981 PAP press release about the destructive and dangerous influence of Solidarity against socialism.

I wonder why the two texts would seem so similar.
johnny reb Activity: 10 / 2,151
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8 Jul 2016  #12

What actual decisions are taken during the NATO summit remains to be seen,

I hope they take action against the lying members of NATO that promised 2% of their GNP to support NATO.
Only four countries have kept their word on that.
Poland
The USA
Britain
Estonia
The rest of the dead weight should be tossed out of NATO until they pony up their share for protection against Russia.
I know the people in the USA are so sick and tired of paying the bills for other countries security.
I would like to see Obama give these other 24 mooching countries a choice to either pony up or dissolve NATO.
The inevitable war with Russia is not far off I am afraid.
Like Bush said, "You are either with us or against us."
Let these other 24 countries go it alone against Russia if they don't want to pay their fare share.
Crow Activity: 129 / 5,527
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8 Jul 2016  #13

people, let us be realistic. Its just he matter of time when would Poles lose their nerves and rebel against NATO.
OP jon357 Activity: 53 / 10,844
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9 Jul 2016  #14

The rest of the dead weight should be tossed out of NATO until they pony up their share for protection against Russia.

Spot on. It isn't a free ride; it's the security of the free world.
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9 Jul 2016  #15

so now complete Warsaw is turned in ghetto. This NATO mean business. In comparison to NATO, third reich was joke
johnny reb Activity: 10 / 2,151
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9 Jul 2016  #16

Only four countries have kept their word on that.

It was a while ago since I read the article so I may stand corrected.
It could be:
Poland
USA
Britain
Greece

What I am hearing here in the United States is the USA plans to deploy around 1,000 soldiers to Poland to step up NATO's presence in Eastern Europe.

Obama stated, "I can announce that the US will be the lead nation for the NATO presence here in Poland," he says after meeting Polish President Andrzej Duda in Warsaw, ahead of a summit of the military alliance's leaders.

"That means the US will deploy a battalion, roughly 1,000 American soldiers, here in Poland on a rotational basis to serve shoulder to shoulder with Polish soldiers," he adds.

Ho man will the young Polish girls love that.
The US also plans to headquarter in Poland one of its armored brigades, which is rotating through Europe, Obama says.
Britain will take the lead in Estonia, announcing on Friday that it will provide 500 troops there.
Germany will head the battalion in Lithuania, while Canada is expected to lead in Latvia.
Other NATO nations will also contribute troops, with Danish Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen announcing that his country will send up to 200 soldiers to Estonia.

Needless to say Mr. Putin is not very happy about this.
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9 Jul 2016  #17

Well it's a symbolic deployment everyone knows this cannot stop the russian army but thats all that is needed I would say. Putin is not happy but who cares about some dictators happiness. They are not there to give warm feelings to despots.
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9 Jul 2016  #18

what stop Russians? By the good God, to put cross on myself, Marsupial, do you really think that would Russians now invade Poland? i mean, we all know that are they little bit crazy but we also all very well know that they at least little bit more love Poles then Poles are loved by western European, Muslim and other NATO members. Not to mention that Russia do have strategic interest that Poland and Poles exist, while, frankly, hand on heart, most of NATO members (except Slavic countries and Hungary) truly don`t give a sh** for Poland and Poles and would actually like to see Poles drop dead. Plus Russians very well know that would Serbians urinate Russian embassy in Belgrade if Russia just move against Poland. That also count for something, i believe. Even think, why would they invade Poland now? Poland in EU and in NATO is more and more aware that is all that wrong. Wrong union, wrong alliance. Russians right now probably can`t believe themselves what situation occurred.
OP jon357 Activity: 53 / 10,844
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9 Jul 2016  #19

Well it's a symbolic deployment everyone knows this cannot stop the russian army but thats all that is needed I would say.

Spot on. This is symbolic but needs to happen.

Needless to say Mr. Putin is not very happy about this.

It does seem to be escalating, and expulsions of diplomats is never good.
johnny reb Activity: 10 / 2,151
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9 Jul 2016  #20

It does seem to be escalating,

Just a tad as Russia dangerously buzzing a U.S. warship in International waters, routinely flying their bombers down the west coast of the United States just inside of International air space, sneaking a nuclear powered sub in off the coast of L.A., physically throwing an American diplomat to the ground and presently having a spy ship off the coast of Hawaii as the U.S. is practicing war games in the area.

The sanctions don't seem to be working so great either as I bought King Crab Legs imported from Russia yesterday.
The United States and it's allies are taunting Russia in the Baltic like China is taunting the U.S.A. and our allies in the South China Sea.

It is looking like another war coming soon only this time America is not going to escape without a couple of black eyes on our soil.

All part of Agenda 21 to reduce the worlds population to sustain.
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10 Jul 2016  #21

Well it's a symbolic deployment everyone knows this cannot stop the russian army b

It probably would stop the Russian army, which is weak, badly organised and small. Russia's nuclear weapons are a real threat (even if half fail there are still a big threat), but Russia's conventional forces are no threat at all

It does seem to be escalating, and expulsions of diplomats is never good.

Its nothing. The West simply needs to tell Russia to F*** off and die, they are doing that anyway with theiri demographic issues.
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10 Jul 2016  #22

Merged: Warsaw NATO summit -- a breakthrough of sorts

NATO's Warsaw summit has been hailed as a breakthrough of sorts, although it fell a bit short of Waraw's expectations. Poland had been pressing for permanent NATO bases on Polish soil, whereas the alliance agreed to only a "rotating troop presence" so as not to antagonise the Rooskies.

As a consolation, Obama threw in an armed-to-teeth US armored brigade of around 3,200 troops. Add to that the several hundred GIs who will man the Redzikowo anti-misiile shield, Poland will have around 5,000 NATO troops on the ground as opposed to 1,000 each in the Baltic states.

Poland was admitted to NATO in 1999 but that was largely a nominal paper presence and servilistic form of paricipation. Polish forces eagerly volunteered troops to every NATO combat mission which claimed many Polish lives. Now it is pay-back time. If NATO and US leaders keep their pledge, Poland will finally reap some benefit from its membership. Perhaps also some day Polish visitors will be able to go the US without.

Obama behaved with all the finesse of an elephant in a china shop when he publicly scolded the Polish president. Maybe if it had pertained to defence and security, if Poland was reluctant to contribute troops to NATO missions or had cut back defence spending, it might conceivably have at least been relevant to a defence summit. But Obama's remarks on the host country's internal legal or political disputes were not directly related to security issues. That faux pas might be compared to a foreign president attending an environmental conference hosted by the US and publicly asking Obama: "What's all this race-war business we're hearing about? Isn't your country even able to guarantee the safety of your own law-enforcement officers?"
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10 Jul 2016  #23

Whether you agree with it or not, I believe he brought up the TK issue because the West feels that it the situation here doesn't agree with the ideals espoused by NATO--Democracy, freedom etc.
Polonius3 Activity: 978 / 11,628
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11 Jul 2016  #24

West feels that it the situation here doesn't agree with the ideals

Only that part of the West who believe the one-sided Michnik/KOD/Petru/Schetyna narration. The West as personified by the Washington Post, an effective sister-publication of Michnik's rag, headlined its report "Obama slammed Polish democracy" which Michnik translated as zbeształ (to score, rebuke, castigate slam, lambast). That has prompted the US Embassy to issue the full text of Obama's statement which is polite and full of concern but displays no slamming or other violent rhetoric.
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11 Jul 2016  #25

Whether you agree with it or not, I believe he brought up the TK issue because the West feels that it the situation here doesn't agree with the ideals espoused by NATO--Democracy, freedom etc

Yes, he was right to do so and spoke the truth.
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11 Jul 2016  #26

Only that part of the West who believe the one-sided .... The West as personified by the Washington Post ...

aahhhh. Now you understand what it mean being one-sided. What you still don`t understand is term `West`. Poland and Slavic world in general is West. Western Europe is just geographical west. But, soon enough you would understand that, too.

because the West feels that it the situation here doesn't agree with the ideals espoused by NATO--Democracy, freedom etc.

Well, one can say that self proclaimed West believe that Poland isn`t blind follower anymore. So, NATO marauders are coming. They are kind of lobotomists.
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11 Jul 2016  #27

The way I am reading it is that NATO is beefing up for a non existent threat from Russia.
The United States is taunting (daring) Putin to attack any one NATO allie.
I read the following in Reuters:
"It is not the aim of NATO to create a military barrier against broad-scale Russian aggression, because such aggression is not on the agenda and no intelligence assessment suggests such a thing."

Now, however, as Reuters reports, the announcement codifies explicitly the Russian threat to Baltic states and Poland as the reason for that deployment.
Western, particularly the U.S. sabre rattling in the area has placed Putin on the defensive.
It seems we have enough problems here at home to deal with without provoking Russia.
Both the United States and France are on the brink of civil wars as it is.
Polonius3 Activity: 978 / 11,628
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11 Jul 2016  #28

Yes, he was right to do so and spoke the truth.

Whta about a foreign president attending an environmental conference hosted by the US and publicly asking Obama: "What's all this race-war business we're hearing about? Isn't your country even able to guarantee the safety of your own law-enforcement officers?" Even if he spoke the truth, which in this case he would have, would a visitng head of state be right to publicly chide the US President over an isiósue not related to the theme of the conference?
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11 Jul 2016  #29

would a visitng head of state be right to publicly chide the US President over an isiósue not related to the theme of the conference?

Very much yes, just as President Obama was right to talk about the PiS attack on democracy while in Poland.
Harry Activity: 65 / 13,440
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11 Jul 2016  #30

President Obama was right to talk about the PiS attack on democracy

My favourite part about that was the TVPiS 'news' show first censoring Obama and then mistranslating what he said; Pravda would have been proud of such a performance!




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