vetala
22 Feb 2011
Food / Eat goulash from a cat and a steak from a dog in Poland! [114]
It's a hoax.
urbanlegends.about.com/od/horrors/a/eating_babies.htm
Spare Rib Soup
It's a hoax.
urbanlegends.about.com/od/horrors/a/eating_babies.htm
vetala
22 Feb 2011
Food / Eat goulash from a cat and a steak from a dog in Poland! [114]
I've heard that the British don't eat carps like Poles do. Clearly, Poles shouldn't be allowed to go anywhere near British lakes and ponds.
Animal shelters consider not letting Asians adopt dogs and cats.
I've heard that the British don't eat carps like Poles do. Clearly, Poles shouldn't be allowed to go anywhere near British lakes and ponds.
vetala
29 Jan 2011
Travel / Visiting Poland - A bit worried about social attitudes and racist inclinations.. [80]
Dude... I share a room with non-white foreign students, some of them are also my neighbours. There is no manhunt after them. You're panicking over nothing, you'll be fine. You might as well believe that your Polish girlfriend is in mortal danger in Great Britain because some Poles were beaten up or killed there.
In Poland? You're joking right?
Or wait - you're ACTUALLY considering Polish Americans and Poles to be one and the same? Shows your ignorance. Don't take part in discussions if you can't tell an American from a Pole.
I saw this documentary where neo-nazi racist groups were recruiting young men and training them in hand to hand combat and weapons in secret locations in the jungle, just to fight immigrants, foreign students and holiday makers.
Dude... I share a room with non-white foreign students, some of them are also my neighbours. There is no manhunt after them. You're panicking over nothing, you'll be fine. You might as well believe that your Polish girlfriend is in mortal danger in Great Britain because some Poles were beaten up or killed there.
some Poles called the native women of our area (where we all live) as a type of animal that we commonly see in the wild. They said this as if they as Poles were "normal" and those women were not normal (even though those people were there thousands of years before any white person ever showed up)
In Poland? You're joking right?
Or wait - you're ACTUALLY considering Polish Americans and Poles to be one and the same? Shows your ignorance. Don't take part in discussions if you can't tell an American from a Pole.
vetala
29 Jan 2011
Love / How do Polish men feel about gender equality? [780]
That's a natural reaction. They are used to having always done things they way they did, so obviously they resist the change. It also quite natural that they only really start obeying after having been corrected twice, not because they were corrected by a man but simply because they thought they might get away with disobeying when their boss isn't looking.
I have no idea why you think it could have anything to do with your gender and I am disturbed and offended by your assumption that Poland is some backward place where women have no rights.
A very common situation can be something like this: I ask one of them to use a different tool because of regulations/standards/it's the wrong tool/not according to protocol. They will always question me why, and most likely disagree with what I was saying, but they will comply with the orders grudgingly.
That's a natural reaction. They are used to having always done things they way they did, so obviously they resist the change. It also quite natural that they only really start obeying after having been corrected twice, not because they were corrected by a man but simply because they thought they might get away with disobeying when their boss isn't looking.
I have no idea why you think it could have anything to do with your gender and I am disturbed and offended by your assumption that Poland is some backward place where women have no rights.
vetala
29 Jan 2011
Love / How do Polish men feel about gender equality? [780]
But it's not, so what now?
If it's a cultural problem
But it's not, so what now?
vetala
29 Jan 2011
Love / How do Polish men feel about gender equality? [780]
You're jumping to wrong conclusions. I'm a Polish woman and I know loads of women in senior positions and men whose bosses are female. It's not rare at all and it's viewed as completely normal.
Really? Because the only explanation that comes to MY mind is that they are not used to things being done the way you propose so they simply voice their objections.
Fighting prejudice with prejudice? How classy...
You're jumping to wrong conclusions. I'm a Polish woman and I know loads of women in senior positions and men whose bosses are female. It's not rare at all and it's viewed as completely normal.
But I always get a lot of second opinions and mistrust from my polish workers, and to me the only explanation that comes to mind is that they are not used to working for a female manager.
Really? Because the only explanation that comes to MY mind is that they are not used to things being done the way you propose so they simply voice their objections.
should I stop hirering polish workers?
Fighting prejudice with prejudice? How classy...
vetala
12 Dec 2010
History / Tuchola in Poland - roots of Katyn? [220]
If Katyń was a "
for those Soviet POWs, then what was Polish operation of NKVD a "righteous retaliation" for?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_operation_of_the_NKVD
The invasion of Poland in 1939? The deportation of several hundred thousand Poels to Siberia, of which at least a third died?
I understand that you are upset about the unfair label of 'barbarians' that some people are quick to give the Russians, but you won't achieve anything by invoking history for the simple fact that the number of Russians killed by Poles is miniscule in comparison to the number of Poles killed by Russians.
If Katyń was a "
righteous retaliation
for those Soviet POWs, then what was Polish operation of NKVD a "righteous retaliation" for?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_operation_of_the_NKVD
The invasion of Poland in 1939? The deportation of several hundred thousand Poels to Siberia, of which at least a third died?
I understand that you are upset about the unfair label of 'barbarians' that some people are quick to give the Russians, but you won't achieve anything by invoking history for the simple fact that the number of Russians killed by Poles is miniscule in comparison to the number of Poles killed by Russians.
vetala
11 Dec 2010
History / Tuchola in Poland - roots of Katyn? [220]
Don't worry, ConstantineK, we don't blame you for this.
A similar number of Polish POWs - about 20,000 out of about 51,000 - died in Soviet and Lithuanian camps.
Don't worry, ConstantineK, we don't blame you for this.
vetala
17 Nov 2010
Genealogy / Mongolian the Golden Horde - do Poles have Mongolian ancestry? [256]
But Poland's total population at that time was a little over a million. If 1/3 of the population were half-mongol, we'd all be VERY visibly mixed-race today.
History has it that over 300,000 + mixed mongol/european polish childern were born.
But Poland's total population at that time was a little over a million. If 1/3 of the population were half-mongol, we'd all be VERY visibly mixed-race today.
vetala
11 Oct 2010
History / How Poland views Europe [44]
- Czech, Finland: wrong. Poles generally sterotype themselves as biggest drunks in the world, with Russians as the only competitors. Czechs are usually more associated with funny language and Finland with nothing in particular.
- For Netherlands I would use "legal ganja". I've known people who planned vacations there just because they wanted to try it.
- Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine: no, no, no. Nobody would think of them as just colonies but rather as a part of Poland, lands which rightfully belong to Poland. And, as everyone knows, Lithuanians and Ukrainians are really Poles in denial ;)
- Turkey: Let's be frank - many Poles wouldn't even know what a minaret is. The most common association is kebab.
-Uk, Ireland - who the hell thinks of potatoes when hearing of Ireland? They're the ones we jokingly call our colonies, or Poland 2.0, or just jobs
- Czech, Finland: wrong. Poles generally sterotype themselves as biggest drunks in the world, with Russians as the only competitors. Czechs are usually more associated with funny language and Finland with nothing in particular.
- For Netherlands I would use "legal ganja". I've known people who planned vacations there just because they wanted to try it.
- Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine: no, no, no. Nobody would think of them as just colonies but rather as a part of Poland, lands which rightfully belong to Poland. And, as everyone knows, Lithuanians and Ukrainians are really Poles in denial ;)
- Turkey: Let's be frank - many Poles wouldn't even know what a minaret is. The most common association is kebab.
-Uk, Ireland - who the hell thinks of potatoes when hearing of Ireland? They're the ones we jokingly call our colonies, or Poland 2.0, or just jobs
vetala
24 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
Gladly. You said:
Given that there is no proof or even a hint of Dariush's Ukrainian/Belarussian ancestry, your statement clearly shows that you meant full-blooded Poles. It also clearly shows that you consider it a historical fact that there have been a considerable number of such full-blooded Poles in Trawniki. Otherwise, that statement of yours simply wouldn't make any sense whatsoever, (so it's the difference between you lying or spitting crap without thinking it through)
I didn't say anything about him because I've missed him. But searching around now I haven't yet found any proof of his supposed ethnic Polishness, therefore you calling him a Pole and me calling him a non-Pole is equally correct.
Of course, there might have been an odd one there, just as there might have been an odd one Jew in the disguise there. yet, strangely, I can't picture you telling our Jewish members that they might have been another of the Jews who trained at Trawniki before serving at the Aktion Reinhard camps.
Yet another lie about what I say: kindly quote the place where I said anything about it being a general rule to recruit anybody at Trawniki.
Gladly. You said:
you could have been another of the Poles who trained at Trawniki before serving at the Aktion Reinhard camps.
Given that there is no proof or even a hint of Dariush's Ukrainian/Belarussian ancestry, your statement clearly shows that you meant full-blooded Poles. It also clearly shows that you consider it a historical fact that there have been a considerable number of such full-blooded Poles in Trawniki. Otherwise, that statement of yours simply wouldn't make any sense whatsoever, (so it's the difference between you lying or spitting crap without thinking it through)
And I note again that you have nothing to say about Hadja.
I didn't say anything about him because I've missed him. But searching around now I haven't yet found any proof of his supposed ethnic Polishness, therefore you calling him a Pole and me calling him a non-Pole is equally correct.
Surely you don't want to admit that even a single Pole trained at Trawniki?
Of course, there might have been an odd one there, just as there might have been an odd one Jew in the disguise there. yet, strangely, I can't picture you telling our Jewish members that they might have been another of the Jews who trained at Trawniki before serving at the Aktion Reinhard camps.
vetala
24 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
Partially. Chopin was half-French and Copernicus was half-German. I recognize and respect this. if Chopin had said "I will write polonaise because I want to spite France" I would consider him fully Polish. Likewise, if someone who's only vaguely-Polish decides of his own free will to work against Poland with people who coincidentally happen to be vaguely-related to him as well, I shall respect his choice too. And no matter how hard he tries to save his skin later, it doesn't change that fact.
Oh, sorry, I mistook Belarus with Ukraine. Kinda like you constantly mistake Belarussians with Poles.
You're so sure of that? Find me a quote about his full ancestry and identification at the moment of recruitment (and no, later claims inspired by the desire to save their skin aren't a proof of anything) and then we're talk. Because before you do that, your claim has just as much (less, in fact)truth value as mine. Which means that if you believe yourself justified to call them Poles then I am more than justified to call them non-Poles
Your comments say a lot about you - you were presented with two contradictory facts:
1. A person is born on the territories which were previously under Poland's temporary domination.
2. These territories were considered by the natives to be another country. The Poles were a minority on them. The people you listed had mostly non-Polish surnames or had simply never been considered Poles. Persons of fully ethnic Polish ancestry were not permitted to be recruited to the SS. Trawniki is widely identified by pretty much everyone as a training place for non-Poles.
And yet, presented with these facts, you choose to believe that they were Polish and nothing but. Worse - you implied that it was a general rule to recruit Poles at aTrawniki. This speaks of a disgusting bias and prejudice, Harry.
Gasping at straws and then turning around and calling me a liar when your own lie was exposed. It's so sad to see a grown man act like a teenager.
To all, please keep it civil. Thank you.
by your logic neither Frédéric François Chopin nor Nicolaus Copernicus can be in the slightest bit Polish.
Partially. Chopin was half-French and Copernicus was half-German. I recognize and respect this. if Chopin had said "I will write polonaise because I want to spite France" I would consider him fully Polish. Likewise, if someone who's only vaguely-Polish decides of his own free will to work against Poland with people who coincidentally happen to be vaguely-related to him as well, I shall respect his choice too. And no matter how hard he tries to save his skin later, it doesn't change that fact.
Liar. Turez was in Poland when Obodzinsky was born. It is now in Belarus.
Oh, sorry, I mistook Belarus with Ukraine. Kinda like you constantly mistake Belarussians with Poles.
He was still a Pole.
You're so sure of that? Find me a quote about his full ancestry and identification at the moment of recruitment (and no, later claims inspired by the desire to save their skin aren't a proof of anything) and then we're talk. Because before you do that, your claim has just as much (less, in fact)truth value as mine. Which means that if you believe yourself justified to call them Poles then I am more than justified to call them non-Poles
Your comments say a lot about you - you were presented with two contradictory facts:
1. A person is born on the territories which were previously under Poland's temporary domination.
2. These territories were considered by the natives to be another country. The Poles were a minority on them. The people you listed had mostly non-Polish surnames or had simply never been considered Poles. Persons of fully ethnic Polish ancestry were not permitted to be recruited to the SS. Trawniki is widely identified by pretty much everyone as a training place for non-Poles.
And yet, presented with these facts, you choose to believe that they were Polish and nothing but. Worse - you implied that it was a general rule to recruit Poles at aTrawniki. This speaks of a disgusting bias and prejudice, Harry.
Could you perhaps quote the post in which I talked of "masses of Poles"? Or shall we all conclude that this is just another of your lies?
Gasping at straws and then turning around and calling me a liar when your own lie was exposed. It's so sad to see a grown man act like a teenager.
To all, please keep it civil. Thank you.
vetala
24 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
You misspelled Саванюк
Whose biography states "His prospects under Polish rule were limited. He was rebuffed as an usuitable match by the parents of a Polish girl he had fallen in love with. The Soviet occupation improved the status of Belarussians and lowered that of Poles, so Szymon was then able to marry the younger sister of his beloved."
Палій
Can't find anything on his ancestry, only his place of birth (Ukraine).
Buried at the Ukrainian cemetary.
nor were they ever recruited under assumption of being Polish. Even if some vaguely Polish individual was trained there, he likely kept it a secret. Therefore your statement:
Is a big, fat lie. And don't try to flounce now and claim that i don't believe any Pole has ever harmed a Jew (many did) - I was arguing solely against your big, fat lie about the masses of Poles trained at Trawniki.
I know far more than you do about both Trawniki and the Poniatowa camp that preceded it. However, there's a tiny problem with your thesis: none of Sawoniuk
You misspelled Саванюк
Serafinowicz
Whose biography states "His prospects under Polish rule were limited. He was rebuffed as an usuitable match by the parents of a Polish girl he had fallen in love with. The Soviet occupation improved the status of Belarussians and lowered that of Poles, so Szymon was then able to marry the younger sister of his beloved."
Palij
Палій
Obodzinsky
Can't find anything on his ancestry, only his place of birth (Ukraine).
Bilaniuk
Buried at the Ukrainian cemetary.
were ever prisoners of war
nor were they ever recruited under assumption of being Polish. Even if some vaguely Polish individual was trained there, he likely kept it a secret. Therefore your statement:
It's such a pity that you weren't born a couple of generations earlier: you could have been another of the Poles who trained at Trawniki before serving at the Aktion Reinhard camps.
Is a big, fat lie. And don't try to flounce now and claim that i don't believe any Pole has ever harmed a Jew (many did) - I was arguing solely against your big, fat lie about the masses of Poles trained at Trawniki.
vetala
24 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
Ukarinians born in Poland still identified as Ukrainians. Hiwis were Soviet POWs and whatever good or evil they did, they did it in the name of the Soviet nations, not Poland. I shall respect their choice and refrain from calling them Polish.
I feel calling these people "Polish" is a bit harsh
Ukarinians born in Poland still identified as Ukrainians. Hiwis were Soviet POWs and whatever good or evil they did, they did it in the name of the Soviet nations, not Poland. I shall respect their choice and refrain from calling them Polish.
vetala
18 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
They were called 'Ukrainians' by Poles for a reason, you know.
As for Irving - he's what I call an antisemite not conscious of his antisemitism. The one who THINKS that he's not prejudiced but whenever he's presented with contradictory facts he always chooses to believe the one which is unfavourable to Jews. It could be said that he is to Jews what Harry is to Poles ;)
you could have been another of the Poles who trained at Trawniki before serving at the Aktion Reinhard camps.
They were called 'Ukrainians' by Poles for a reason, you know.
As for Irving - he's what I call an antisemite not conscious of his antisemitism. The one who THINKS that he's not prejudiced but whenever he's presented with contradictory facts he always chooses to believe the one which is unfavourable to Jews. It could be said that he is to Jews what Harry is to Poles ;)
vetala
4 Sep 2010
Genealogy / Polish Gypsy Roots & Roma ancestors in their families [205]
cyganysue
Adamski is a regular Polish surname, there are 13 000 people with this surname in Poland. The name of the village doesn't mean anything because villages in Poland are very often named after other countries, capitals and nationalities.
The name 'Ęrnie' is the only real hint that he might not have been ethnically Polish. I guess it depends whether your great-grandfather was born in Poland (in which case it's quite possible that he might have been a Gypsy) or in US (in which case it's most probably just a misspelling of the name Ernie)
cyganysue
Adamski is a regular Polish surname, there are 13 000 people with this surname in Poland. The name of the village doesn't mean anything because villages in Poland are very often named after other countries, capitals and nationalities.
The name 'Ęrnie' is the only real hint that he might not have been ethnically Polish. I guess it depends whether your great-grandfather was born in Poland (in which case it's quite possible that he might have been a Gypsy) or in US (in which case it's most probably just a misspelling of the name Ernie)
vetala
1 Sep 2010
Work / Black English Teacher going to Wroclaw [247]
trener zolwia
I will adress your comment in zetigrek's thread.
trener zolwia
I will adress your comment in zetigrek's thread.
vetala
1 Sep 2010
Work / Black English Teacher going to Wroclaw [247]
You honestly think that a little child would suddenly come up with an idea that a black person is automatically worse than a white person, all on their own? Without anyone 'helping' them, even not counciously? I 'm pretty sure if this study was done in an african country, the kids would pick black dolls over white ones which would be seen as diffeent and abnormal just as black people are seen in white societies.
This thread is going off topic! The OP wanted advice about living in Wrocław.
Little black kids prefering white dolls is hardly proof of white societal racism. If anything, it proves that white kids who also prefer white dolls are not racist.
You honestly think that a little child would suddenly come up with an idea that a black person is automatically worse than a white person, all on their own? Without anyone 'helping' them, even not counciously? I 'm pretty sure if this study was done in an african country, the kids would pick black dolls over white ones which would be seen as diffeent and abnormal just as black people are seen in white societies.
This thread is going off topic! The OP wanted advice about living in Wrocław.
vetala
1 Sep 2010
Work / Black English Teacher going to Wroclaw [247]
He also got an insult from Sokrates, apparently. And everyone agrees that he should carry a peper spray. And it's not like we never hear of black people being harrassed in Poland, so his concerns are not all that unfounded.
He also got an insult from Sokrates, apparently. And everyone agrees that he should carry a peper spray. And it's not like we never hear of black people being harrassed in Poland, so his concerns are not all that unfounded.
vetala
1 Sep 2010
Work / Black English Teacher going to Wroclaw [247]
I' would've also been cautious if I wanted to move to a country where I would be the first white person most people there have met. it's natural to ask about these matters.
Yeah, I think i've seen them in a thread where someone asked about similarities between Polish and Hungarian languages. He said that the only thing Poles and Hungarians have in common is being evil, murderous antisemites. But his comment was deleted soon after, so i can't confirm if it was really him. But the overall tone was the same, the comment was just as trollish and offtopic and i recognize his name. If I'm wrong, I apologize.
find the overriding tone of this thread offensive. It seems the OP expects racism from whites.
I' would've also been cautious if I wanted to move to a country where I would be the first white person most people there have met. it's natural to ask about these matters.
really?
Yeah, I think i've seen them in a thread where someone asked about similarities between Polish and Hungarian languages. He said that the only thing Poles and Hungarians have in common is being evil, murderous antisemites. But his comment was deleted soon after, so i can't confirm if it was really him. But the overall tone was the same, the comment was just as trollish and offtopic and i recognize his name. If I'm wrong, I apologize.
vetala
1 Sep 2010
vetala
1 Sep 2010
Work / Black English Teacher going to Wroclaw [247]
CzarDaniel
As a Polish person I agree with what other people told you. I don't think you will encounter a situation so extreme that nobody would want to be taught by you but I do agree that as a black man you're a natural target for thugs and as a foreigner you will be seen as rich and easy to take advantage of (I know a man who was charged three times too much by a fake taxi driver, because the driver thought that foreigners are rich and won't notice). I second the idea of carrying a pepper spray, I don't think you'll need it but it's always safer to have it. And you will definitely be stared at a lot. I hope you have a good time!
Lyzko
This is the second or third time I see you rant about "those evil Poles!"
Besides, you're quite wrong. I, for one, am very proud of Poland's Jewish past.
CzarDaniel
As a Polish person I agree with what other people told you. I don't think you will encounter a situation so extreme that nobody would want to be taught by you but I do agree that as a black man you're a natural target for thugs and as a foreigner you will be seen as rich and easy to take advantage of (I know a man who was charged three times too much by a fake taxi driver, because the driver thought that foreigners are rich and won't notice). I second the idea of carrying a pepper spray, I don't think you'll need it but it's always safer to have it. And you will definitely be stared at a lot. I hope you have a good time!
Lyzko
This is the second or third time I see you rant about "those evil Poles!"
Besides, you're quite wrong. I, for one, am very proud of Poland's Jewish past.
vetala
20 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]
Yet another thread where Jews and antisemites are trying to outcry each other with biased, hateful remarks. MG is trying to prove that Poland has always been hell on Earth for Jews and that virtually all Poles are evil, heartless murderers. Ender and others are trying to prove that Poles are saints and Jews are the ones who are evil, heartless murderers. This is the sort of discussion where I have nobody to side with :(
Yet another thread where Jews and antisemites are trying to outcry each other with biased, hateful remarks. MG is trying to prove that Poland has always been hell on Earth for Jews and that virtually all Poles are evil, heartless murderers. Ender and others are trying to prove that Poles are saints and Jews are the ones who are evil, heartless murderers. This is the sort of discussion where I have nobody to side with :(
vetala
5 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
Not the only one. There were post-war pogroms and murder of Jews in Romania, Slovakia, Hungary, Russia and Ukraine as well.
Poland was the only country in the world involved in post WWll Jewish pogroms and murder.
Not the only one. There were post-war pogroms and murder of Jews in Romania, Slovakia, Hungary, Russia and Ukraine as well.
vetala
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
The relations between Poles and Ukrainians in interwar Poland reminds me a lot of the relations between Israelis and Palestinians. In both cases we have people who occupy lands on which the majority of the population wishes for their own state, said population is suppressed and subject to discriminatory measures and responds by turning to extremism and terrorism.
If you think that Poland was right in using violence against the Ukrainians for their "disloyalty" to the Polish state, then I assume that you also support the war in Gaza, don't you?
And of course, how could you not support Germany's Kulturkampf? Or Russia's punishment for the Polish rebellions? Those damn, disloyal Poles!
The relations between Poles and Ukrainians in interwar Poland reminds me a lot of the relations between Israelis and Palestinians. In both cases we have people who occupy lands on which the majority of the population wishes for their own state, said population is suppressed and subject to discriminatory measures and responds by turning to extremism and terrorism.
If you think that Poland was right in using violence against the Ukrainians for their "disloyalty" to the Polish state, then I assume that you also support the war in Gaza, don't you?
And of course, how could you not support Germany's Kulturkampf? Or Russia's punishment for the Polish rebellions? Those damn, disloyal Poles!
vetala
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
Sokrates
Why do you keep bringing up the events in Wołyń when the discussion isn't about "Who was worse during WWII" but about the religious repercussions in the Second Polish Republic? Or should we also not be allowed to talk about German antrocities in occupied Poland because Germans were later victims of brutal expulsions? If you want to discuss Wołyń, then I advise you to make a separate thread (although I must say that it would be more practical if this thread wasn't just about the desacration of churches but also more general, about nationalistic policies in interwar Poland)
Sokrates
Why do you keep bringing up the events in Wołyń when the discussion isn't about "Who was worse during WWII" but about the religious repercussions in the Second Polish Republic? Or should we also not be allowed to talk about German antrocities in occupied Poland because Germans were later victims of brutal expulsions? If you want to discuss Wołyń, then I advise you to make a separate thread (although I must say that it would be more practical if this thread wasn't just about the desacration of churches but also more general, about nationalistic policies in interwar Poland)
vetala
31 Jul 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
No. I see both actions - German Kulturkampf and the destruction of Ukrainian churches by Poles - as shameful and worthy only of condemnation.
I hope you keep that in mind next time you blame Prussia for trying to achieve national coherence in demanding an official language from all, or showing the church their limits...;)
No. I see both actions - German Kulturkampf and the destruction of Ukrainian churches by Poles - as shameful and worthy only of condemnation.
vetala
31 Jul 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
Seanus
Wait, I thought you were British? You might as well ask why did Protestants and Catholics kill each other since they're all Christians anyway.
It's not so much about the differences in religions but the fact that belonging to two different churches creates a division in the population. Interwar Poland was fixated on the goal of unity and assimilation, so it's understandable that they would target religion as well. And don't forget that the area was ethnically mixed and Ukrainians didn't hide the fact that they'd much rather live in a state of their own than in Poland. Religious divisions were only one aspect of the conflict.
Seanus
Wait, I thought you were British? You might as well ask why did Protestants and Catholics kill each other since they're all Christians anyway.
It's not so much about the differences in religions but the fact that belonging to two different churches creates a division in the population. Interwar Poland was fixated on the goal of unity and assimilation, so it's understandable that they would target religion as well. And don't forget that the area was ethnically mixed and Ukrainians didn't hide the fact that they'd much rather live in a state of their own than in Poland. Religious divisions were only one aspect of the conflict.
vetala
19 Jul 2010
Genealogy / Polish-Ukranian roots and genes [72]
I'm also interested. How can Poles have more Tatar haploids than Ukrainians? Crimea is IN Ukraine!
I'm also interested. How can Poles have more Tatar haploids than Ukrainians? Crimea is IN Ukraine!
vetala
20 Jun 2010
Genealogy / Funny Polish surnames [64]
Seems like you don't. Głąb is a regular Polish word meaning cabbage or, colloqually, an idiot.
Seems I have a good sense for things. I just thought that sounded like a Jewish name for some reason it didn't sound Polish at all.
Seems like you don't. Głąb is a regular Polish word meaning cabbage or, colloqually, an idiot.