Matowy
5 Jul 2010
Matowy
5 Jul 2010
Genealogy / malcolm in the middle grandparents [7]
The last name makes that clear, however I said "If that makes her Polish", not "If that makes her of Polish ancestry".
The last name makes that clear, however I said "If that makes her Polish", not "If that makes her of Polish ancestry".
Matowy
5 Jul 2010
UK, Ireland / Wanting Polish lessons in or around Huddersfield UK [12]
Can I get in on that offer? Do you have Gadu-Gadu?
Can I get in on that offer? Do you have Gadu-Gadu?
Matowy
5 Jul 2010
Travel / what are the average fares to Poland from USA? [10]
Go to Western Europe and get a seperate flight from there. It's extremely cheap. Prices vary but it can sometimes be as cheap as 50-60 USD.
Go to Western Europe and get a seperate flight from there. It's extremely cheap. Prices vary but it can sometimes be as cheap as 50-60 USD.
Matowy
4 Jul 2010
Love / Do Polish men find African American women attractive? [25]
I think that people here are playing Emperor's New Clothes with you. I haven't been to Poland and don't know any black people who have, so I will not comment. It's my personal opinion, however, you won't feel comfortable in general in Poland, but that shouldn't stop you enjoying it there.
EDIT:
Rich words coming from you. Didn't you just refer to black people as "violent animals" in another thread?
Why am I not surprised... the only experience you have with Poland is as a typical drunkard who goes to Kraków to get smashed for a weekend and disrespect everything in sight. Don't be ashamed, it fits perfectly with your commoner personality.
Thanks, but honestly, would i feel uncomfortable on my visit?
I think that people here are playing Emperor's New Clothes with you. I haven't been to Poland and don't know any black people who have, so I will not comment. It's my personal opinion, however, you won't feel comfortable in general in Poland, but that shouldn't stop you enjoying it there.
EDIT:
Just enjoy your holiday and dont focus on your skin colour
Rich words coming from you. Didn't you just refer to black people as "violent animals" in another thread?
Why am I not surprised... the only experience you have with Poland is as a typical drunkard who goes to Kraków to get smashed for a weekend and disrespect everything in sight. Don't be ashamed, it fits perfectly with your commoner personality.
Matowy
4 Jul 2010
Life / Talking over people in conversations; is it a Polish trait? [41]
Everyone does that, but maybe the Poles do it more often because they speak so fast in their own language, especially the women. Maybe you just talk too slow for them.
Everyone does that, but maybe the Poles do it more often because they speak so fast in their own language, especially the women. Maybe you just talk too slow for them.
Matowy
4 Jul 2010
Genealogy / malcolm in the middle grandparents [7]
Grandparents or parents? In any case, the actress who plays Lois has a Polish last name.
imdb.com/name/nm0434223
Whether that makes her Polish is up to your interpretation.
Grandparents or parents? In any case, the actress who plays Lois has a Polish last name.
imdb.com/name/nm0434223
Whether that makes her Polish is up to your interpretation.
Matowy
3 Jul 2010
Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]
No, I'm comparing your attitudes towards being "nationally insulted" to the attitudes of Americans about this topic.
It's pretty obvious you were just offended and wanted to be mean to someone because you felt attacked. You even said so yourself. You can justify it all you want to yourself, just don't try and justify it to me because I am not interested in entertaining lies. The Emperor's New Clothes game isn't that much fun either.
My intention with that Catholic remark was to point out how silly it is refer to something completely irrelevant about a person in an attempt to discredit or counter some ideas of theirs. I'm completely dismayed that instead of pointing out my intentional flaw, you just attempt to escalate it with further ad hominem. Is that all you can do?
It's not about reducing the number of trolls, it's about not reacting to them. You clearly got sucked in by this troll, you made an emotional investment where there was no benefit to doing so. If the troll has altered your feelings in any way, then it has been successful. The person who loses something is the one who reacts.
Is that supposed to sound pejorative?
No, I'm comparing your attitudes towards being "nationally insulted" to the attitudes of Americans about this topic.
Erm... don't judge other people by your standards. If you're not able to be laid-back
and have fun while bashing some troll online, then it's only your problem, not mine.
and have fun while bashing some troll online, then it's only your problem, not mine.
It's pretty obvious you were just offended and wanted to be mean to someone because you felt attacked. You even said so yourself. You can justify it all you want to yourself, just don't try and justify it to me because I am not interested in entertaining lies. The Emperor's New Clothes game isn't that much fun either.
My intention with that Catholic remark was to point out how silly it is refer to something completely irrelevant about a person in an attempt to discredit or counter some ideas of theirs. I'm completely dismayed that instead of pointing out my intentional flaw, you just attempt to escalate it with further ad hominem. Is that all you can do?
It's not about reducing the number of trolls, it's about not reacting to them. You clearly got sucked in by this troll, you made an emotional investment where there was no benefit to doing so. If the troll has altered your feelings in any way, then it has been successful. The person who loses something is the one who reacts.
Matowy
3 Jul 2010
History / Role of Serbian medieval cavalry in formation of Polish hussars [20]
Ah, it's a satirical website. My initial reply was then a bit unnecessarily emotive.
Ah, it's a satirical website. My initial reply was then a bit unnecessarily emotive.
Matowy
3 Jul 2010
Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]
And I believe it's for the reason I stated, because censoring things about only one specific topic is unethical, and they seem to realise that.
Eh, I have a pretty negative view on being passionate, precisely for this reason. Passion is always viewed as a good quality to have, but based on people who convey passion about their chosen subject, people can become passionate about the wrong things. Passion about religion, nationality, ideology, all of that stuff, it practically forces inobjectivity and knee-jerk reactions such as this. Enthusiasm about something is fine, but to the point where it compromises rational thinking it just becomes dangerous.
Torq has a point, Matowy. The Mods let a few things slide but with good reason.
And I believe it's for the reason I stated, because censoring things about only one specific topic is unethical, and they seem to realise that.
Trust me, I've sat in classes where I've had to delicately spark it as, otherwise, they would sit in their boring little worlds and not generate any enthusiasm for anything. Torq, to his credit, comes alive and defends things that matter to him.
Eh, I have a pretty negative view on being passionate, precisely for this reason. Passion is always viewed as a good quality to have, but based on people who convey passion about their chosen subject, people can become passionate about the wrong things. Passion about religion, nationality, ideology, all of that stuff, it practically forces inobjectivity and knee-jerk reactions such as this. Enthusiasm about something is fine, but to the point where it compromises rational thinking it just becomes dangerous.
Matowy
3 Jul 2010
History / Role of Serbian medieval cavalry in formation of Polish hussars [20]
Damn, what a depressingly emotive and over-excited article. It was written by an American, wasn't it? You can tell by the sheer amount of romanticized crap.
Damn, what a depressingly emotive and over-excited article. It was written by an American, wasn't it? You can tell by the sheer amount of romanticized crap.
Matowy
3 Jul 2010
Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]
You're right, it is simple. In it's immaturity it can't possibly be more simplistic. You sound like some American.
Stop. Relevance of that? Absolutely none.
I am not interested in your superifical and unconvincing attempts to make it look as if you're being laid-back. Your actions say otherwise.
Then you've been successfully trolled 100%. Congratulations, you're gullible and easily manipulated. That explains the Catholic thing about you.
No, you're still crap at subtlety. Don't try it any further, I grow bored with it easily.
If that were to happen then every other thread or post being insulting towards a group would have to be removed as well. Granted it is a Polish forum, but the member base would disappear quickly if moderation became biased and censor-happy.
Look up the word "necessity". Then look up the term "trolling". Long story short, no it isn't a necessity, it just degrades everyone involved, including you. And like I've already pointed out, by "bashing" the obvious troll, you make their mission successful, and in the process manage to prove yourself no better than they are.
If someone insults me (or my country), I will insult him (or his country) back - simple as that.
You're right, it is simple. In it's immaturity it can't possibly be more simplistic. You sound like some American.
600 million Indians
Stop. Relevance of that? Absolutely none.
Ignoring? Where's the fun in that?
I am not interested in your superifical and unconvincing attempts to make it look as if you're being laid-back. Your actions say otherwise.
I wouldn't be so sure.
Then you've been successfully trolled 100%. Congratulations, you're gullible and easily manipulated. That explains the Catholic thing about you.
Really? It's not Jews anymore - it's Indians now? Interesting.
No, you're still crap at subtlety. Don't try it any further, I grow bored with it easily.
Of course, in a perfect world, all threads that are insultive towards Poland and Poles
or those which are posted by obvious trolls, would simply be deleted by the moderating
team. Unfortunately, it doesn't happen on this forum
or those which are posted by obvious trolls, would simply be deleted by the moderating
team. Unfortunately, it doesn't happen on this forum
If that were to happen then every other thread or post being insulting towards a group would have to be removed as well. Granted it is a Polish forum, but the member base would disappear quickly if moderation became biased and censor-happy.
thus the necessity of occasional troll-bashing feast.
Look up the word "necessity". Then look up the term "trolling". Long story short, no it isn't a necessity, it just degrades everyone involved, including you. And like I've already pointed out, by "bashing" the obvious troll, you make their mission successful, and in the process manage to prove yourself no better than they are.
Matowy
3 Jul 2010
Language / Your perception of the Polish accent [145]
I didn't. Compare the Queen speaking to a Polish woman speaking and the difference in speed is highly noticable. It's probably an unfair comparison since it's different languages, but as someone who uses an efficient English dialect, I feel comfortable saying that "proper" English is simply painfully slow. I'm hyperboling a bit, yes. It's just mildly annoying that the most inefficient, ugly and hardest to mimic English accent is somehow the "proper" one.
The U.S has incredible homogeneity in accents for a land of that size and population. I'm not sure of all the reasons, but apparently the technology of radio and TV being so prominent in the U.S is a major reason. It might be down to its young age and inter-state travel being so easy. And the U.S does have accents influenced by immigrants, it's just hard to tell exactly which immigrants. The New York accent/s are understandably based off the huge Jewish population in New York, for example, plus some Italian. It can even be said that the pressure was on the immigrants to integrate into American society as quickly as possible through any means, since the U.S has never really been accomodating to immigrants. Canada, however, does have more variation.
By the way, the migration aspect of influencing future accents isn't 100% linear, it does depend a lot on two languages merging, which doesn't happen much in modern times (which could account for the lack of variation in the U.S). The Poles are in large enough numbers in the UK, but it's unlikely they will impact future accents at all. All of the migration and invasions in England's history were centuries back, a lot of it Scandinavian and French, which are languages that English is now derived from. The most modern impacts on English accents were Irish immigrants, who spoke English.
With the speed of Polish you exaggerated a bit. Maybe it sounds like that to you.
I didn't. Compare the Queen speaking to a Polish woman speaking and the difference in speed is highly noticable. It's probably an unfair comparison since it's different languages, but as someone who uses an efficient English dialect, I feel comfortable saying that "proper" English is simply painfully slow. I'm hyperboling a bit, yes. It's just mildly annoying that the most inefficient, ugly and hardest to mimic English accent is somehow the "proper" one.
The U.S has incredible homogeneity in accents for a land of that size and population. I'm not sure of all the reasons, but apparently the technology of radio and TV being so prominent in the U.S is a major reason. It might be down to its young age and inter-state travel being so easy. And the U.S does have accents influenced by immigrants, it's just hard to tell exactly which immigrants. The New York accent/s are understandably based off the huge Jewish population in New York, for example, plus some Italian. It can even be said that the pressure was on the immigrants to integrate into American society as quickly as possible through any means, since the U.S has never really been accomodating to immigrants. Canada, however, does have more variation.
By the way, the migration aspect of influencing future accents isn't 100% linear, it does depend a lot on two languages merging, which doesn't happen much in modern times (which could account for the lack of variation in the U.S). The Poles are in large enough numbers in the UK, but it's unlikely they will impact future accents at all. All of the migration and invasions in England's history were centuries back, a lot of it Scandinavian and French, which are languages that English is now derived from. The most modern impacts on English accents were Irish immigrants, who spoke English.
Matowy
3 Jul 2010
Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]
That's truly a brilliant stance to take. If someone says something you don't like, then take whatever information is available to you about them and say as many offensive things as you can using that little piece of information. Instead of, in this case, proving the "troll" wrong by stating facts, or even IGNORING the obvious troll, the best thing to do is get emotionally hurt and invested in the troll and be as rude as possible with the least productive comments possible. Hah, the troll surely never saw that coming, you totally surprised him!
In case you didn't notice, I'm being sarcastic. I shouldn't have to tell you this, but apparently we have 8 pages of people making fools of themselves and giving the troll exactly what he wants, so forgive me for concluding that you're alll just too ******* dumb to recognise subtlety, or exercise it for that matter.
And here's some more subtlety for the astounding dumbfucks that fell for this: This poster clearly isn't Indian. Being a troll, he knows that this forum has a comedically disproportionately random hatred for Indians in particular, which is why he chose to call himself Indian.
Hey - you took this sentence out of the entire troll-bashing context, but yes - when an
Indian troll comes here and starts lecturing me on civilization and claiming that Poland has
nothing in common with Western Europe and Latin civilization roots, then he will always
get what you quoted (and more).
Indian troll comes here and starts lecturing me on civilization and claiming that Poland has
nothing in common with Western Europe and Latin civilization roots, then he will always
get what you quoted (and more).
That's truly a brilliant stance to take. If someone says something you don't like, then take whatever information is available to you about them and say as many offensive things as you can using that little piece of information. Instead of, in this case, proving the "troll" wrong by stating facts, or even IGNORING the obvious troll, the best thing to do is get emotionally hurt and invested in the troll and be as rude as possible with the least productive comments possible. Hah, the troll surely never saw that coming, you totally surprised him!
In case you didn't notice, I'm being sarcastic. I shouldn't have to tell you this, but apparently we have 8 pages of people making fools of themselves and giving the troll exactly what he wants, so forgive me for concluding that you're alll just too ******* dumb to recognise subtlety, or exercise it for that matter.
And here's some more subtlety for the astounding dumbfucks that fell for this: This poster clearly isn't Indian. Being a troll, he knows that this forum has a comedically disproportionately random hatred for Indians in particular, which is why he chose to call himself Indian.
Matowy
3 Jul 2010
Language / Your perception of the Polish accent [145]
No, the Queen speaks terrible English. Just because she's the Queen it doesn't mean she's speaking correctly.
And how do I define correct? By what is the easiest to enunciate and to understand. What the Queen and most of British television speak in is actually pretty unnecessarily complex English pronunciation. Simple vowels like "O" becomes a many layered disjointed and incomprehensible generic vowel sound that begins with an "e" or an "a". Speakers of this kind of English will pronounce two or even three vowel sounds in place of one simple vowel. This isn't correct English, it's just sloppy and inefficient. It's also inefficient because it can't be spoken very fast. Some of the more efficient English dialects can communicate with four or five times the speed. Polish can be spoken at around ten times the speed. Yet another reason why this type of "English" is inefficient and downright offensive to the ears. Even American English sounds better.
EDIT: Here's a reason why Poland should have more accent variety than England:
- Geographic location. England being on an island means that it has less exposure to foreign influences throughout history. All of the accents in England can be attributed to migration levels and invasions, which are relatively few due to it being surrounded by sea. Mainland Europe has has more of this, and Poland is bordered by several countries with foreign languages; England is kind of bordered by two, sort of, and both use English anyway.
The English can't speak proper English at all :) Except for the Queen.
No, the Queen speaks terrible English. Just because she's the Queen it doesn't mean she's speaking correctly.
And how do I define correct? By what is the easiest to enunciate and to understand. What the Queen and most of British television speak in is actually pretty unnecessarily complex English pronunciation. Simple vowels like "O" becomes a many layered disjointed and incomprehensible generic vowel sound that begins with an "e" or an "a". Speakers of this kind of English will pronounce two or even three vowel sounds in place of one simple vowel. This isn't correct English, it's just sloppy and inefficient. It's also inefficient because it can't be spoken very fast. Some of the more efficient English dialects can communicate with four or five times the speed. Polish can be spoken at around ten times the speed. Yet another reason why this type of "English" is inefficient and downright offensive to the ears. Even American English sounds better.
EDIT: Here's a reason why Poland should have more accent variety than England:
- Geographic location. England being on an island means that it has less exposure to foreign influences throughout history. All of the accents in England can be attributed to migration levels and invasions, which are relatively few due to it being surrounded by sea. Mainland Europe has has more of this, and Poland is bordered by several countries with foreign languages; England is kind of bordered by two, sort of, and both use English anyway.
Matowy
3 Jul 2010
Matowy
3 Jul 2010
Language / Your perception of the Polish accent [145]
No it doesn't, it just means you speak in a certain way.
because it just adds another layer to who you are and many people do find it interesting.
No it doesn't, it just means you speak in a certain way.
Matowy
2 Jul 2010
USA, Canada / The proper behavior an American should show when visiting Poland [115]
But if you live in the U.S, then surely the Poles you meet have to have travelled there, and thus are more likely to be frequent travellers?
But if you live in the U.S, then surely the Poles you meet have to have travelled there, and thus are more likely to be frequent travellers?
Matowy
2 Jul 2010
Life / How do Polish people see homosexuality? [152]
Because AIDS (or HIV?) can take a long time to be detectable. I'm not sure if it's years, but it's happened before that people who somehow get HIV end up getting married, having children and then the entire family has HIV (or AIDS?). It's apparently a very slippery virus, and the fact that the sex that homosexual males commonly partake in without protection is perfect for spreading the virus is decent justification for not allowing them to give blood. It's cold, yes, but until a better way of detecting the virus is discovered, it's better to be safe than sorry.
Why a gay man cant give blood at all? or actually any man who had sex with other man, even once many years ago...
Because AIDS (or HIV?) can take a long time to be detectable. I'm not sure if it's years, but it's happened before that people who somehow get HIV end up getting married, having children and then the entire family has HIV (or AIDS?). It's apparently a very slippery virus, and the fact that the sex that homosexual males commonly partake in without protection is perfect for spreading the virus is decent justification for not allowing them to give blood. It's cold, yes, but until a better way of detecting the virus is discovered, it's better to be safe than sorry.
Matowy
2 Jul 2010
Life / How do Polish people see homosexuality? [152]
Any kind of penetrative sex other than penis -> vagina.
So he was more of a ***** than the actual fags themselves?
I only have one friend from Poland who is extremely open about being a gay, but he never talks to me about what it's like being openly gay in Poland. He's extremely confident about his homosexuality, though, so it can't be that bad. I imagine attitudes in Poland are much the same as they are here; people just don't care. This is a general view, though, and there's no telling how an individual family would react if someone in their family turned out to be gay. Probably disappointment, in general.
I thought sodomy was rectal peneration. If not, then what is the correct definiton of it?
Any kind of penetrative sex other than penis -> vagina.
He didn't hit them or anything and he didn't comment it into their face so he tolerated them pretty good I say.
So he was more of a ***** than the actual fags themselves?
I only have one friend from Poland who is extremely open about being a gay, but he never talks to me about what it's like being openly gay in Poland. He's extremely confident about his homosexuality, though, so it can't be that bad. I imagine attitudes in Poland are much the same as they are here; people just don't care. This is a general view, though, and there's no telling how an individual family would react if someone in their family turned out to be gay. Probably disappointment, in general.
Matowy
2 Jul 2010
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]
But nobody cares about that history at all, the camps of death are the thing that draws people, especially Jews, to visit Poland. There was even a video posted here of an Israeli documentary showing bratty Israeli teenagers visiting Lublin and being force-fed about how oppressed and hated the Jews were. Not to mention they weren't allowed to talk to anyone who looked young enough to speak English, and when they actually talked to some Poles they thought they were shouting abuse at them for being Israeli. They had nothing to fear though, because they were accompanied by an Israeli commando to protect them from the hordes of Jew-hating Poles. I'll say once again that it was an Israeli documentary, before anyone decides to nit-pick about it. It really shows the self-defeating victim complex of the Jews in action.
THat is absolutely not true, there is a rich history of the Jewish society in Poland before ww2, you should be ashamed.
But nobody cares about that history at all, the camps of death are the thing that draws people, especially Jews, to visit Poland. There was even a video posted here of an Israeli documentary showing bratty Israeli teenagers visiting Lublin and being force-fed about how oppressed and hated the Jews were. Not to mention they weren't allowed to talk to anyone who looked young enough to speak English, and when they actually talked to some Poles they thought they were shouting abuse at them for being Israeli. They had nothing to fear though, because they were accompanied by an Israeli commando to protect them from the hordes of Jew-hating Poles. I'll say once again that it was an Israeli documentary, before anyone decides to nit-pick about it. It really shows the self-defeating victim complex of the Jews in action.
Matowy
2 Jul 2010
History / The Untold Battle of Britain [205]
Why does everyone keep saying that Harry is trolling? His posts are much less provocative than most others.
Why does everyone keep saying that Harry is trolling? His posts are much less provocative than most others.
Matowy
1 Jul 2010
UK, Ireland / Wanting Polish lessons in or around Huddersfield UK [12]
Polish lessons in the UK are few and far between, I don't think it's realistic to be able to find one (I managed to find one in my area, but only when the term had ended :( ). If you're determined enough, though, you can definitely learn well enough on your own and with your fiancée. When I started learning it I didn't know any Polish people or have any basis whatsoever to start with, but I did enough self-studying and eventually got the expertise of various Poles to rely on.
Don't underestimate the internet, it's your best friend for all kinds of information.
polish-dictionary.com - this is the place to get language help on Polish.
polish.slavic.pitt.edu/~swan/beta/ - One of the best Polish online dictionaries
www2.ling.pl - Another good dictionary
translate.google.com/ - it's pretty accurate for basic stuff, but don't rely on it. If you input one word only it also offers alternative meanings and synonyms, which is very handy
I would advise learning basic vocabulary, learning the pronunciation (this is easy, you'll learn it in a day with your fiancée), wrapping your head around the basic grammar rules (conjugations, absence of articles). Beyond that you can venture in whatever direction suits you.
Polish lessons in the UK are few and far between, I don't think it's realistic to be able to find one (I managed to find one in my area, but only when the term had ended :( ). If you're determined enough, though, you can definitely learn well enough on your own and with your fiancée. When I started learning it I didn't know any Polish people or have any basis whatsoever to start with, but I did enough self-studying and eventually got the expertise of various Poles to rely on.
Don't underestimate the internet, it's your best friend for all kinds of information.
polish-dictionary.com - this is the place to get language help on Polish.
polish.slavic.pitt.edu/~swan/beta/ - One of the best Polish online dictionaries
www2.ling.pl - Another good dictionary
translate.google.com/ - it's pretty accurate for basic stuff, but don't rely on it. If you input one word only it also offers alternative meanings and synonyms, which is very handy
I would advise learning basic vocabulary, learning the pronunciation (this is easy, you'll learn it in a day with your fiancée), wrapping your head around the basic grammar rules (conjugations, absence of articles). Beyond that you can venture in whatever direction suits you.
Matowy
1 Jul 2010
History / Poles should emulate Jews? [153]
Don't overestimate the power of democracy. The freedom to vote is simply a freedom to choose the lesser evil.
Don't overestimate the power of democracy. The freedom to vote is simply a freedom to choose the lesser evil.
Matowy
1 Jul 2010
UK, Ireland / Are Polish people importing a new wave of ancient racism into the UK? [402]
Except that, as you've hinted at yourself, racism is a natural impulse for humans due to our tribal history. It's much easier to be racist than it is to be non-racist, because the former is driven by primal impulses and the latter on logic. Manipulating large masses of people is easier with a motive like racism (I don't need examples here, it's too obvious). Why? Because racists rely on shock tactics, and shock tactics are effective on the weak-minded and emotionally-driven, which most are. Case in point, the rape stuff you're all bringing up now - blatant shock tactic. Racists can show you biased articles, inaccurate shock statistics, shock images and whatever else, but when it comes to actual real-world applications they fail to bring any evidence whatsoever.
Like all the articles I showed that didn't link immigration with crime whatsoever, and if anything only specified Eastern Europeans? For the record I place about 0.5% faith in online articles, but since everyone else here seems to think they're valid evidence, I have no qualms using them to point out the tirade of fallacies.
MareGaea, I think that analogy is OK, but far too complicated for these people to follow. I think the No True Scotsman fallacy (check wiki) has always been the most perfect description for racists. You see, people, you can take practically any conclusion, opinion, prejudice or perception and you can take it to such extremes that it becomes reality for you and others, even though those from the outside looking in only see broken logic and an even more broken mind. If you're trying to convince people that immigrants (ESPECIALLY the ones with dark skin, coincidentally) are all bad, that they are uncivilized, offer no economic value, cause violence and destruction, and that they'll some day impose their wicked ways upon the whole of Europe, then you should probably do so by pointing to real evidence of this, and not just the "evidence" that you purposefully seek out in your "No True Scotsman"-induced stupor.
Obama is a communist
Jews rule the world
Illuminati rule the world
The British royal family are shape-shifting alien reptiles
America "defends freedom" in every military action it takes
Global warming is a serious threat
The world will end in 2012
The Anti-Christ is among us
Barack Obama IS the anti-christ (I didn't even use his name)
Jews are inherently evil
Blacks inherently intellectually inferior (even I could disprove this in my sleep, conclusions such as these are made by people who have no understanding whatsoever of genetics, the human brain, or how humanity works)
Homosexuality is genetic
Homosexuality is evil
Homosexuality causes natural disruption
Fluoride... need I say more?
So there you go, irrefutable evidence that there are threats out there greater than the evil darkies. I suggest we increase awareness to fix these problems first, then we can get right around to your master plan of training football hooligans to save Europe.
I would suggest you to read more about group-effect and comformity-theories.
Except that, as you've hinted at yourself, racism is a natural impulse for humans due to our tribal history. It's much easier to be racist than it is to be non-racist, because the former is driven by primal impulses and the latter on logic. Manipulating large masses of people is easier with a motive like racism (I don't need examples here, it's too obvious). Why? Because racists rely on shock tactics, and shock tactics are effective on the weak-minded and emotionally-driven, which most are. Case in point, the rape stuff you're all bringing up now - blatant shock tactic. Racists can show you biased articles, inaccurate shock statistics, shock images and whatever else, but when it comes to actual real-world applications they fail to bring any evidence whatsoever.
I think Jarnowa would also be against white criminal immigrants. So it's not about race.
Like all the articles I showed that didn't link immigration with crime whatsoever, and if anything only specified Eastern Europeans? For the record I place about 0.5% faith in online articles, but since everyone else here seems to think they're valid evidence, I have no qualms using them to point out the tirade of fallacies.
MareGaea, I think that analogy is OK, but far too complicated for these people to follow. I think the No True Scotsman fallacy (check wiki) has always been the most perfect description for racists. You see, people, you can take practically any conclusion, opinion, prejudice or perception and you can take it to such extremes that it becomes reality for you and others, even though those from the outside looking in only see broken logic and an even more broken mind. If you're trying to convince people that immigrants (ESPECIALLY the ones with dark skin, coincidentally) are all bad, that they are uncivilized, offer no economic value, cause violence and destruction, and that they'll some day impose their wicked ways upon the whole of Europe, then you should probably do so by pointing to real evidence of this, and not just the "evidence" that you purposefully seek out in your "No True Scotsman"-induced stupor.
Obama is a communist
Jews rule the world
Illuminati rule the world
The British royal family are shape-shifting alien reptiles
America "defends freedom" in every military action it takes
Global warming is a serious threat
The world will end in 2012
The Anti-Christ is among us
Barack Obama IS the anti-christ (I didn't even use his name)
Jews are inherently evil
Blacks inherently intellectually inferior (even I could disprove this in my sleep, conclusions such as these are made by people who have no understanding whatsoever of genetics, the human brain, or how humanity works)
Homosexuality is genetic
Homosexuality is evil
Homosexuality causes natural disruption
Fluoride... need I say more?
So there you go, irrefutable evidence that there are threats out there greater than the evil darkies. I suggest we increase awareness to fix these problems first, then we can get right around to your master plan of training football hooligans to save Europe.
Matowy
1 Jul 2010
Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]
A quick google search shows this as the first result, maybe it will help.
polishforums.com/genealogy-ancestry-6/surname-laszczkowska-44917
A quick google search shows this as the first result, maybe it will help.
polishforums.com/genealogy-ancestry-6/surname-laszczkowska-44917
Matowy
1 Jul 2010
History / Poles should emulate Jews? [153]
Because those worthless things are popular precisely because they are worthless. And you assume that this idea of Polish solidarity is a meaningful one...
When one thinks of some of the worthless crap (products, 'music', causes, fads, lifestyles, notions, buzz-words) that are being peddled and swallowed by the gullible public, why cannot occasionally something meaningful catch on?
Because those worthless things are popular precisely because they are worthless. And you assume that this idea of Polish solidarity is a meaningful one...
Matowy
1 Jul 2010
Language / Quick Tips for Choosing a Polish Translator [8]
Choose a young University student from Warszawa. Not only will they speak perfect English and Polish, but they'll scold you if you make a mistake in English and constantly assert how much better they are than you at every given opportunity.
Choose a young University student from Warszawa. Not only will they speak perfect English and Polish, but they'll scold you if you make a mistake in English and constantly assert how much better they are than you at every given opportunity.
Matowy
1 Jul 2010
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]
Don't blame me for what is clearly a linguistic limitation. There are no words in English to distinguish an ethnic Jew from a religious Jew from a cultural Jew. Trotsky was ethnically Jewish. And didn't you say yourself that Jews are a race?
Don't blame me for what is clearly a linguistic limitation. There are no words in English to distinguish an ethnic Jew from a religious Jew from a cultural Jew. Trotsky was ethnically Jewish. And didn't you say yourself that Jews are a race?
Matowy
1 Jul 2010
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]
Communism was oppressive for every religion, since it was an ideaology of Atheism. Stalin studied to be a priest when young, but obviously that didn't happen. He was also not a Christian, any proclamation of that would have been political suicide. Trotsky, however, was a Jew.
Communism was oppressive for every religion, since it was an ideaology of Atheism. Stalin studied to be a priest when young, but obviously that didn't happen. He was also not a Christian, any proclamation of that would have been political suicide. Trotsky, however, was a Jew.