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Joined: 19 Apr 2008 / Male ♂ 		Last Post: 8 Dec 2017
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Sasha   
10 Dec 2008
Language / Ukrainian language similar to Polish? [236]

Even though I understood most of what you said Ukranian is surely closer to Polish. Some says it was born on the boundary with Rechpospolita as a mixture of Russian and Polish.
Sasha   
29 Nov 2008
History / Famous Russian Poles [243]

I've seen many postive opinions about Poland there.

Man, I didn't say Poland is bad or that somebody there said Poland was bad...

Honestly if you prefere your system it is your problem but I prefere Polish democracy and I honestly fell that Poland is much, much better place to live ...

*sigh* and it's not about political system... :) one may love it another one may not.
I was talking about how they treated...
The rest to PM.
Sasha   
29 Nov 2008
History / Famous Russian Poles [243]

ConstantineK:

Freedom is inside us!

yeeah of course. Come one Kostik.

He's right. You merely didn't manage to get what he'd said. Democracy is inside of you. Nothing can make you think independent unless you want it. Surprisingly you happened to live in Russia and seem to speak Russian... How do you so shallow in your views then I wonder? Every time you're trying to feed wild Russians with your young democracy... before teaching why don't you pass a test on democracy yourself? Being free of external impact in your views that's what democracy means. As long as you diligently picking up all the BS and real info from the Polish media-horn in order to show it later to every Russky you meet your "democracy" is just a decoy for unenlightened. You're affected, that means you are not free. :) If you anyway want to get back to Russian problems... then I tell you, it's not about democracy itself it's about unequall aproach to people (putin's bootlickers and oligarchs are better treated) and the corruption.

What they write about understanding of freedom and learning it.

Nobody hates them.

Darn... are you kiddin'? Did you read it yourself? Read... there're lots of interesting things... and translate to all people here... they would be very surprised how "Russians learn there your democracy" in other words how they learn to resist constant hatred gulping down the offence.

Is that fine when people ask for changing the table, just because there's Russian near the current one? Molodaja demokratija, right? :) For those people it's ok, for me it's not. I'd personally prefer not trouble with myself people who I provoke disdain and get the heck out of there as soon as I can. Meanwhile I realize that there're normal ones... lots of normal people... but as long as the official policy of your youngdemocratic country is Russophobia most of Poles subconciously will have that perverted opinion about Russians as it was described by Russian immigrants.

"Proklinaju tot den', kogda predpochla Warshawu Moskve. No raz priexala, budu podnimat celinu..."
Nice words, aren't they? :) Would you translate, Prince? She prefered to get back to work... she doesn't cry, she doesn't complain although she'd had the reason... :) She doesn't try to persuade you on how good Russian president is, nor she suggests that you go and bow low to lenin's corpse, she doesn't make a big fuss with her "sovereign democracy". :) She's not a whit arrogant, she just wants to live and experience at least neutral attitude to herself. :) Everytime she tries there's arrogant Prince-who-the-hell-know-how-many-nicks showing up and teaching wild russkies how to live.

Schastlivo, prijatel! Ya bez zla eto vse...;)
Sasha   
28 Nov 2008
History / Famous Russian Poles [243]

Alexander Sergeevich Griboedov/(Rus cyr)Александр Сергеевич Грибоедов

famous Russian poet, writer, dramatist, composer, diplomatist, known as a "homo unius libri" (man of a one book) for his "Wit works woe" (Mądremu biada - pol, Gore ot uma - rus).

bibliotekar.ru/beg/239.htm
Griboedovs - Russian noble family of Polish origins. Jan Grzybowski left Poland for Russia in the beginning of XVII century. His son Fedor changed the last name to Griboedov and worked as a clerk. Alexander Griboedov originated from this kin.

Alexander was born in 1790 (1795) in Moscow and was killed in Teheran in 1829 when religious fanatics devastated Russian diplomatic mission there.

Wiki in English:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandr_Griboyedov

This all people are considered Russian. everybody talks about Russian Helicopter inventor and I'd never called Russian politician Polish.

Prince, see above. I don't call those people Polish. I' just drawing your attention to the fact they had Polish ancestors (more or less). Thought it could be interesting for you.
Sasha   
28 Nov 2008
History / Famous Russian Poles [243]

Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky

Righty! :) *Thumbs up*

He did a good damn job killing a large number of communists. Possibly more than were killed during Polish-Soviet war.

All they killed communists (i.e. themselves)... including Stalin. They called it "class strugle" I call it "redivision of the power".

Igor Sikorsky

Sergey Vladimirovich Yastrzhembsky

Agreed. Thanks!

Czarina Catherine I

Yep. Skworonska Marta? :) Second wife of Peter the Great. Polish woman (as some sources say... other say her father was either Latvian or German) on Russian throne. And yes... her mother was Lithuanian.

Russian Czarina Catherine II

As far as I know she was German. :)
Sasha   
28 Nov 2008
History / Famous Russian Poles [243]

I finally decided to implement plans I've brooded over for some time... According to the web page of "Russian Poles" there're now about 95000 of Poles in Russia, half a million people of Polish origins and 1/7 of overall population has had Polish ancestors. Of course with such a great size, the Poles should have had a significant impact on Russian culture, language and art as parts of it, politics, our international image, policy, science on the whole and genetics in the long run. I've made some inquiries on Polish persons in Russian history and the result was rather unexpected even for myself, since it was a surprise to learn of Polish ancestors of some for instance Russian poets who I considered perfectly Russians (well.... that's certainly in case we can speak about Russian nation as of something completely determined in terms of genetics). So in this thread I'm planning to occasionally post the brief biography with a picture (optionally) of "famous Russian Poles". By the aforesaid term I mean people who meet following criteria:

1) They're more or less Poles: means they're either have Polish parent(s) or have Polish ancestors to no-matter-which generation.
2) They put themselves on record of Russian history, contributed, had a significant impact on Russia or vice versa were affected by Russia(ns).
3) I don't pay any attention to the fact if his/her contribution was/is good or bad from any point of view.
4) I don't nitpick in terms of his exact nationality (being partially Jew for example is ok).

These criteria are surely not final and to be edited, as I entirely realize things which are interesting for me, can be arid for you guys. Anyway I planned that following the logic "If I were the Pole, I'd be very interested in what my people's done for those "pesky Russians" being practically part of Russians". :)

You're all welcome to express your desires, (dis)like (so that I may stop or proceed) on that and of course don't hesitate to ask if you want to learn more about one or another person from any Russian sources. Please feel free as well to make any comments or to correct me, particularly if it's about spelling of Polish names.

2mods: I wasn't 100% sure on where to place the thread, so if you think any other will be better please move it there.
That's probably it for now. Let's start...

Adam George Chartorisky/(Rus Cyrillic) Адам Ежи Чарторыльский/
(Pol) Adam Jerzy Czartoryski (January 14, 1770, Warsaw - July 15, 1861, Paris area)

Some from Russian sources in my translation:
hrono.ru/biograf/chartory.html

Russian and Polish statesman, writer, Maecenas, sponsor of Vilnius Imperial University
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilnius_University

Since 1795 he and his brother have lived in Saint Petersburg, was on close with Alexander I, has been a minister of foreign affairs in Russia for two years (1804-1806). As he said his basic goal was to create the better conditions for Polish independence restoration. For this purpose in 1805 he came up with the project of seizure from Prussia and Austria of originally Polish lands with their following annexation to ex-Polish (at that time Russian) territory. In accordance with that project Alexander I (Russian Emperor) meant to become the Polish korol (king) and the Polish-Russian dynastic union was to be established. Alexander I didn't refuse the project however after Russian-Prussian relation got warmer Adam had to leave his position. In 1815 was a member of provisional government in Polish Kingdom, later at the times of Polish uprising against Russia in 1830 was the chairman of rebel government, after the defeat left for Paris.

Wiki in English:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Jerzy_Czartoryski
Sasha   
24 Nov 2008
Life / Do Russians and Poles get along? [53]

You will go to Russia they will find out you are Polish they will think you are a spy and kill you!

Joke, right?

Wladyslaw, normal educated Russians have friendly and (or) even fraternal attitude toward Poles. Nobody is safe of course from hostile attitude but it's an exception rather than a rule. You don't have to worry if you come to Russia...

Can't say anything for sure about Polish attitude... but it seems to be worse judging at least by the topics.
Sasha   
21 Nov 2008
Food / traditional breakfasts in Poland [74]

You should try Peanut butter and jelly with sliced Bananas ....yummy

I first tried it in the US after we climbed with my Polish friend in the mountains. Typically american food, really good to recharge energies. The only problem I don't like peanut butter. Do Poles eat it a lot in Poland?
Sasha   
20 Nov 2008
Food / traditional breakfasts in Poland [74]

I eat white bread only with fish eggs

Red caviar+white bread+butter... :) I know. In the US it seems they don't know red caviar's edible.
I prefer black (sturgeon) caviar but it became to be extremely expensive so that I haven't eaten it for the last five years.

wholemeal rye bread with sunflower seeds.

Yeah, that's what I buy here. If I'm not mistaken it sounds in Polish pretty much the same as in Russian... "chleb" or smth... :)
Sasha   
20 Nov 2008
Food / Do Polish people really love cabbage ?? [78]

Hmm... While cooking borsch (some like beat soup) I add lots of cabbage in there. :) I didn't notice any fatal consequences.
Sasha   
20 Nov 2008
Food / Do Polish people really love cabbage ?? [78]

if this legend is popular in russia i belive that russian girls must fart a lot

Cabbage is not a pea. :) It shouldn't be too farty.

I haven't heard about that one, but there is a belief that cabbage leaves can be used to alleviate some pain which on occasion is experienced by breastfeeding mothers

Maybe it indeed contains something...
Sasha   
20 Nov 2008
Food / traditional breakfasts in Poland [74]

pawian

Is it a wine or kompot (compote) in the glass? Bread (is it?) on the right is similar to Polish bread I sometimes buy in European shop in the US.
Sasha   
20 Nov 2008
Food / Do Polish people really love cabbage ?? [78]

In Russian we also use word "kapusta" as a slang word for "money" and some do say to kids that they were either found in the kapusta or brought by "aist" (stork).

I wonder if you guys have a in Polish a legend (mostly spreaded among girls) that eating cabbage makes your breast grow?
Sasha   
10 Nov 2008
Genealogy / Last Name: DOWGIALLO from Poland [44]

Thank you, Sasha. My Russian is not great, but I would like to try it with the information you have. Please post it here or in "Private Message". Thanks!

rulex.ru/01050533.htm

Довгялло - is Russian spelling of your name. The info is very brief.. so here it is (in my translation).
Dowgiallo is a lithuanian noble clan. In XVI century it was splitted up into several branches, adopted following crests Abdank (Абданк), Zadora (Задора), Dzyalosha (Дзялоша), Plomenchik (Пломенчик). One of the branches is spellt Mingaylo-Dowgyallo (Мингайло-Довгялло), another were initially named Dowgyallo-Zavisha (Довгялло-Завиша) and then just "Zavisha".

rulex.ru/01080047.htm

Clan Dowgyallo included in VI and I parts of genealogic books of Vilensk, Vitebsk, Kovensk, Minsk and Saratov's guberniyas.

What you might have been interested in are the genealogic books mentioned in the last sentence but I'm afraid there's no way to find them online. But I think this can shed a light on the origins.

Captain Igor Dyagalo . Could "Dyagalo" be a Russified version of the surname "Dowgiallo"?

His name is spellt Дыгало in Russian. It's a Ukranian last name. Doesn't really have anything to do with your last name.

Sorry I didn't notice your post earlier.
Sasha   
30 Oct 2008
History / History of European and Poland's anti-semitism [192]

Because, then i'll look like absolute as*hole, and I don't want to be an as*hole without weighty reasons. It's first! And the second is, it is just a great work to assume another point of view, so it's better for me to force somebody to accept mine.

It's just a fascinating sincerity, Kostia... :)))
Sasha   
29 Oct 2008
History / History of European and Poland's anti-semitism [192]

What about Nord Stream and Russian expansionist doctrine.

"Zub za zub"... how we and Czechs say... :) I told you the problem was mutual. I don't trust leaders of my country either (nor I trust yours). What I say is that in fact they are both not interested at all in any closer relationships. They at present take different scale pans.
Sasha   
29 Oct 2008
History / History of European and Poland's anti-semitism [192]

Poland tries to have normal neighbourhood with you

They don't. It's illogical to strive after the better relationship with Russia dancing at american pipe and installing missile shield in Poland. In its turn Rus Gov prudently touches the chord of Polish gov's unfriendly moves in order to better show Russians that nowadays Poland are none of friend. The problem is mutual.
Sasha   
29 Oct 2008
History / History of European and Poland's anti-semitism [192]

It's considered that most of Jews as a main force of coup d'état came from Poland.

4) Jews controlled a large part of the liquor making/distribution business, and kept Poles drunk

Exactly. On the way from Russia to Poland they opened "Shinkarni" (it's a thieves' jewish cant) where they sold narcotics and liquors.
Sasha   
24 Oct 2008
Off-Topic / PF - The Omnibus Edition [1502]

Criminal of the Year

And the nominations are:

• The entire country of Russia (according to Cellinski)

:)) *thumbs up*
Sasha   
23 Oct 2008
Food / Healthy polish food? [98]

Btw. so much healthy food in the US and yet so many hogs walking in the streets and driving (or being driven) around. How come?

I think you move more than average american. Many americans have big backs and crooked legs, I think that's because they start driving a lot too early while their bones are not thoroughly formed. Secondly I would prefer a lard or some other food (maybe not so healthy but still natural) to american artificial burgers.
Sasha   
21 Oct 2008
Genealogy / Last Name: DOWGIALLO from Poland [44]

Eva, Dowgiallo is an ancient Lithuanian noble clan. The last name is pretty popular here in Russia and in Lithuania.
UPD: I can provide you with some history of the last name but it's all in Russian.
Sasha   
16 Oct 2008
Language / Polish Swear Words [1242]

odpierdolić

Interesting. Russians use this word in the same meaning as Poles but I've never thought before of its origins. Seems like we borrowed it from you with "kurva".
Sasha   
16 Oct 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

What does it mean German ?

Julek you brought a good issue: nationality is a question of selfidentification rather than of blood and your mother has every right to be Polish having German surname.

But BB stated another point:

Who called himself "prussian german mathematician"?

Which might mean he [Kopernik] bracketed himself with Germans?! What do you think?
Sasha   
16 Oct 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Did you read that article Sasha?

Honestly not (I was devoured by your discussion) but now I've read and I see it's about the same to what you've said here. It looks good I merely want to hear something alike from Poles and wanted to be as neutral as possible.

How about the nowadays Germany? Have you heard of anybody with Koppernigk surname?
Sasha   
15 Oct 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Nice to know but why should Kopernikus family called after "dill"???

We eat that with fish...:(

He-he... in Russian the last name "Ukropov" (Dillman) would sound funny. I like dill with salmon. :)

His mother was Barbara Watzenrode, after his (unknown to us) father died he was brought up by the family of Bishop Lukas Watzenrode....german was his mother tongue, he visited german schools, wrote his books in latin and german and used a very explicit signature in all of his works:

Quite decisively. :) Now your turn Julek.
Firstly we now have to finally make up our minds on what we really need to take into consideration judging Kopernik's personality: his cultural values and direction or his genetics (whether he was Polish by blood or German).