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History of European and Poland's anti-semitism


Poznan 5 | 46
28 Oct 2008  #1
How do you think it is possible that Jews could live in Poland for such long time without massive expulsions and it wasn't possible in western Europe they were expeled from England, Spain, Germany, France in middle ages and were living in Poland for centuries (much longer than in anny other european country). Without Nazi German invasion we would have big Polish Jewish community to this day.

What was the main factor of this differences.

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Matyjasz 2 | 1,544
28 Oct 2008  #2
Aren't there enough jew-related topics already on this forum?
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,714
28 Oct 2008  #3
Without Nazi German invasion we would have big Polish Jewish community to this day.

And? Do you think the Poles would be happy about that?
OP Poznan 5 | 46
28 Oct 2008  #4
Aren't there enough jew-related topics already on this forum?

No it is iteresting because Europe experiments with multiculturalism. In Poland Jews were living for much longer time than in anny other european state.

Nobody looks on (Ormian origin) Herbert as on foreigner. I am going this way ...

...

In western countries they have race riots when they have crisise ... or one idiot stabs another one.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
28 Oct 2008  #5
History of European anti-semitism

Have mercy...
Filios1 8 | 1,336
28 Oct 2008  #6
Poles would be happy about that?

Nope.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,714
28 Oct 2008  #7
In Poland Jews were living for much longer time than in anny other european state.

Erm....help me out here please!
They came originally from the ME, right? How did they get to Poland first then?

Germany:

The first authentic document relating to a large and well-organized Jewish community in these regions dates from 321 [3], and refers to Cologne on the Rhine[4] [5] [6]; it indicates that the legal status of the Jews there was the same as elsewhere in the Roman empire. They enjoyed some civil liberties, but were restricted regarding the dissemination of their faith, the keeping of Christian slaves, and the holding of office under the government.

Poland:

The first Jews arrived in the territory of modern Poland in the tenth century. Travelling along the trade routes leading eastwards to Kiev and Bukhara, the Jewish merchants (known as Radhanites) also crossed the areas of Silesia.

Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
28 Oct 2008  #8
I would be very happy.
OP Poznan 5 | 46
28 Oct 2008  #10
And? Do you think the Poles would be happy about that?

I would be very happy.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,714
28 Oct 2008  #11
Great joy then...they are coming back! :)
southern 75 | 7,097
28 Oct 2008  #12
A Poland full of goys.Brrr...
Filios1 8 | 1,336
28 Oct 2008  #13
I would be very happy.

Poland would have made an excellent area for a new Jewish state.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
28 Oct 2008  #14
You lie...

How did you know that ?
OP Poznan 5 | 46
28 Oct 2008  #15
Poland would have made an excellent area for a new Jewish state.

There were always idiots like you ;) but somehow Jews were living for so long time in our country not in England not in Spain I don't know German history so good but German jews had tragic end ...
Filios1 8 | 1,336
28 Oct 2008  #16
This is the prevalent attitude of Poles today...



somehow Jews were living for so long time in our country ...

Did you know that a true Polish middle class didn't exist until after WW2?

ut somehow Jews were living for so long time in our country not in England not in Spain I don't know German history so good but German jews had tragic end ...

In addition to sheer geographical issues of England being far away, these countries did not have wide open enonomic and social policies like in Poland, that the Jews quickly took advantage of.
southern 75 | 7,097
28 Oct 2008  #17
Poland would have made an excellent area for a new Jewish state.

I suppose Auschwitz would be the proper capital.
OP Poznan 5 | 46
28 Oct 2008  #18
Filios1

You are teenager who live in Greece you shouldn't learn Polish history on youtube. :)
dcb
28 Oct 2008  #20
No I am not :) Why do you ask me ?
dcb
28 Oct 2008  #22
:) Yes I am in (and) Poznań :)
southern 75 | 7,097
28 Oct 2008  #23
Nobody wants the Jews in their lands.(we have to whisper it).
szkotja2007 27 | 1,500
28 Oct 2008  #24
I saw this on the news today - it happened in Vienna.
Just the driver having a laugh or something more sinister ?

Driver says jokingly "Sieg Heil " to passengers, then gets fired.
McCoy 27 | 1,276
28 Oct 2008  #25
what a times, you cant even say jokingly sieg heil in a tram

Poland:The first Jews arrived in the territory of modern Poland in the tenth century. Travelling along the trade routes leading eastwards to Kiev and Bukhara, the Jewish merchants (known as Radhanites) also crossed the areas of Silesia.

learn polish and read:

Istnieje jednakże prawdopodobieństwo, iż pierwsi Żydzi pojawili się w dorzeczu Wisły i Odry kilka wieków wcześniej. Otóż, wiek III i IV to okres, kiedy panońscy Żydzi przemierzali jako kupcy handlowy szlak bursztynowy łączący prowincje rzymskie z wybrzeżem Morza Bałtyckiego. Szlak ten przebiegał w pobliżu obecnego Wrocławia, Kalisza, Bydgoszczy i kończył się w Zatoce Gdańskiej.

southern 75 | 7,097
28 Oct 2008  #26
learn polish and read:

Of course BB will hurry to learn polish after that.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,714
28 Oct 2008  #27
No need to! :)

There is, however, the likelihood that the Jews first appeared in the Vistula and Odra river basin a few centuries earlier. But age III and IV is the period when panońscy Jews as merchants traveled the trade route linking the provinces of the Roman amber from the Baltic Sea coast. This trail run near the current Wroclaw, Kalisz, Bydgoszcz and ended in the Gulf of Gdansk.

McCoy 27 | 1,276
28 Oct 2008  #28
Of course BB will hurry to learn polish after that.

he even succeed with his 1st translation
Filios1 8 | 1,336
28 Oct 2008  #29
You are teenager who live in Greece you shouldn't learn Polish history on youtube. :)

??
Excuse me? I live in Poland and I'm not a teenager, so please stfu.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
28 Oct 2008  #30
How do you think it is possible that Jews could live in Poland for such long time without massive expulsions and it wasn't possible in western Europe they were expeled from England, Spain, Germany, France in middle ages and were living in Poland for centuries (much longer than in anny other european country).

POSSIBLE REASONS

1) Poles were more tolerant.
2) Polish landowners & 'aristocracy & gentry' found it convenient to use Jews to collect taxes and rents, and do 'accounting & management' work.
3) Many 'Polish' Jews became part of Russia when Poland ceded Eastern lands, formerly part of the Polish-Lithuanian federation to the Czars...This became the famous 'Pale of Settlement' and the seed-bed for Bolshevism.

4) Jews controlled a large part of the liquor making/distribution business, and kept Poles drunk.
5) Since Poland was mainly rural, the Jews kept to their own shtetls, and their wasn't constant friction, like in larger cities/towns in England, France, Germany etc...Problems in these countries came when Jewish merchants & money lenders came into the towns and began to dominate trade & aspects of finance...This caused friction with the larger Christian and native European communities...Poland was more feudal, and it took longer for an embryonic 'middle class' to emerge.

SHTETL


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