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mafketis   
1 Apr 2008
Language / Your perception of the Polish accent [145]

People are naturally hard-wired to find differences attractive to some degree (to facilitate gene flow), so accents (especially unfamiliar or uncommon ones) will almost always be a plus on the dating side. How it works in other areas of life is a different question. The accent that makes a Polish girl popular at a party might keep her from getting a job where accent is important (like a receptionist).

Also, people are fundamentally irrational about accents. There's no objective reason why particular accents (whether native or foreign) arouse particular feelings. It's all stereotypes and custom. I'd rather rinse my ears out with battery acid than listen to a Manchester accent for long periods of time but I recognize that that's just prejudice and I'd try to not let my asthetic judgement cloud how I treated a person with such an accent. But that's easier said than done.

I hardly hear Polish accents anymore unless it's really extreme.

For most people in the US any Slavic sounding accent (if it's very strong) has features that combined sound a little silly in serious environments like work or politics (this is the Borat syndrome). On the other hand, the Polish accent is much less "Slavic sounding" than Russian or Czech accents.
mafketis   
20 May 2008
Off-Topic / Are Polish Christians here? [142]

IINM Adam Małysz is also a protestant.
I don't know if he belongs to the same denomination as Buzek (former PM) or not.
mafketis   
27 Jun 2008
Language / Polish slang phrases - most popular. [606]

zacznij żyć

zacznij is the (singular) command form of zacząć (start, begin)

żyć = to live (be alive)

so, 'start to live' or 'start living'
mafketis   
2 Jul 2008
Life / Any good Polish films to watch? [112]

I love works of fiction

Not to mention totalitarian murderers... No wonder you don't like Poland or Polish people.
mafketis   
11 Jul 2008
Food / What is your favorite Polish Vodka? [653]

My current favorites:

Luksusowa : cheap and good, you can pay a lot more and not get better vodka (and it works very well in mixed drinks)

Żołądkowa Gorzka Czysta : At first I was disappointed, these folks usually put out herbal vodkas (which I like very much) and I thought this was a new flavor, but it's not, it's a ... clear vodka that's _very_ smooth.

Non-Polish all-time favorite: Finnlandia

History: I never much cared for Wyborowa, the first time I was in Poland, the big vodka was Żytnia (made from rye) but it's all but forgotten now, it exists but who drinks it? This may be related to the general fall in quality in the early 90's when there was also lots of pirated vodka (that could get you very sick if you happened across it). I would like Żubrówka more if I hadn't drunk a bunch once after drinking a lot of wine (hey, I was young and innocent and didn't know that's a bad idea) with all too predictable results (holding onto toilet for dear life).
mafketis   
22 Sep 2008
Genealogy / Polish Gypsy Roots & Roma ancestors in their families [205]

I am a gifted guitarist and singer and not bad at dancing

And so modest!

I had a Polish passport but I threw it on the fire

Are you related to a Ms Pollard by any chance?

youtube.com/watch?v=HPM4emsqwag

relevant quote at 1.27
mafketis   
22 Sep 2008
Polonia / Polish workers in Denmark [41]

You might wanna brush up yourself before correcting others. It's actually "Polish people who work."

Cześć now.
mafketis   
8 Oct 2008
Life / 3 reasons why you hate Poland. [1049]

Why is the name of this thread phrased so negatively? No way am I participating in it beyond the following comment:
Yes, there are things I don't like in Poland but I certainly don't hate the place (I certainly wouldn't live here if I did). I'll decline to comment anymore on this thread.

I might contribute to a thread devoted to pet peeves but not one that implies that I hate Poland.
mafketis   
19 Nov 2008
Food / Polish head cheese [46]

Here's info about head cheese:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_cheese

In the southern US it's also called souse (I think technically they're different somehow but they're the same kind of thing).
mafketis   
27 Jan 2009
Life / If I could introduce something from my country into Poland, I would.... [175]

THE IDEA THAT TRASH BELONGS IN A TRASH CAN AND NOT ON THE STREET OR TUCKED INTO BUSHES OR DROPPED WHEREVER YOU FEEL LIKE IT!!!!!!!!!!

DIDN'T YOUR MOTHERS EVER TEACH YOU _ANYTHING_??????????

The Polish attitude toward litter in public is certainly not one of the more attractive national characteristics and every once in a while drives me to a screaming frenzy.
mafketis   
28 Jan 2009
Life / If I could introduce something from my country into Poland, I would.... [175]

I'm not interested in "X is worse" defenses. Littering is wrong, period. It's unhygenic and is indicative of social breakdown. I have no trouble believing that Britain (which no longer exists as any kind of coherent society) has even worse litter problem than Poland but it's irrelevant. There's no excuse for pigs who drop their garbage anywhere (or throw it out of cars).

A few years ago on TV there was a news report from a neighborhood in Warsaw where rats had taken hold. There were several interviews with local people who were calling on the government to _do_ something!!!!!

Meanwhile, the bits of garbage blowing around the street (esp candy wrappings and potato chip bags) made it clear these selfsame people had been feeding the rats for quite some time.
mafketis   
28 Jan 2009
Life / If I could introduce something from my country into Poland, I would.... [175]

Gregorz, I'm not British. I'm American and the last I knew (yes, it's been a while since I've been there) Polish amounts of litter are just not tolerated in most of the united states outside of inhuman cities/ghettos. You drop your candy wrapper on the sidewalk and people will tell you to stop being a pig.

Specifically I'd like to introduce American attitudes toward correct litter disposal to Poland.

Clear?
mafketis   
4 Feb 2009
Law / Poland - Temporary Residence card - Karta pobytu - required documents [143]

Because failing to offer an interview which is required in order to settle as a worker in an EU member state in the language spoken by a citizen of an EU member state would constitute a barrier to the free movement of labour which is supposedly guaranteed to all EU citizens.

If I'm not mistaken, EU citizens wouldn't have to have an interview.
But then I'm not an EU citizen and I never had an interview as such (besides the normal process of visiting the offices to keep the karta up to date) so I'm not sure what the original person is talking about.

At any rate, for non-EU citizens seeking long term (or permanent) residence in Poland, the ability to function in the local language does not seem to be an unreasonable demand.
mafketis   
3 Apr 2009
Language / Polish slang phrases - most popular. [606]

Augmentative.

I would argue that -ch(a) is a diminutive (granted one that needs to be carefuly used). It's very popular among students IME.

On the other hand -(i)sko is a real augmentative (though I don't think it's really used with names).
mafketis   
11 Apr 2009
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

is it not correct to say - whom did you see on the ball/game?

It depends on how you define 'correct'. According to many prescriptive grammarians

"Whom did you see at the ballgame?" is technically speaking correct.

But no native speaker actually says that. It sounds bizarre, maybe a little like pronouncing a heavy nasal vowel for every single -ę in Polish. Also technically correct but no one talks that way.

Probably 99.99 per cent of native speakers would say 'who' in that sentence.

'whom' is sometimes (not always) used directly after prepositions (especially when the who is a relative clause marker but if the who and preposition are separated most people will say 'who'.

Those are the people for whom I wrote the book.

vs

Those are the people who I wrote the book for.

who in the first sentence would sound wrong and whom in the second would sound wrong.

And English does not have a dative case anymore.
mafketis   
11 Apr 2009
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

First, as a rule linguists _hate_ the question 'how many languages do you speak?' Linguistics is about studying languages as functioning systems (and some other stuff). (but I'm not mad, it's just a hard question to answer and alien to most of my concerns).

The number of languages I'm really capable in isn't necessarily so impressive. On the other hand, the number of languages whose grammars I thoroughly understand is very high. At one time I could parse Japanese sentences with the best of them but I can't speak, understand (much less read) Japanese.

On the other hand, I think the term 'monoglot linguist' is an oxymoron and I don't respect anyone who calls themself a linguist and who only speaks one language but linguistics isn't primarily about learning languages.

Anyway, I like to rank languages by ability

NAmerican English : 1
Polish : 2
Spanish (at various times Iberian and Mexican) : 3
Esperanto : 4
German : 4
Hungarian : 6

Can read a fair amount but not speak or understand:

Norwegian
Portuguese
Italian
Swedish
French

Roughly at an equal level with thorough knowledge of grammar without much practical ability:

Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Japanese

There are others too but they're pretty obscure.
mafketis   
12 Apr 2009
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

How do you know about Navajo?

Yes, from the point of view of any European language it might as well be from another universe. I'm a linguist (who has a pretty good understanding of lots of non-western languages) and I can't make sense of the best Navajo grammars written (not for lack of trying).
mafketis   
13 Apr 2009
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

I've learned quite a bit about Navajo and the Wikipedia entry is most enlightening.

The problem is that when you try to actively figure out how larger units are built it all stops making sense. Somewhere (in storage in NAmerica) I have a Navajo textbook. It has many wonderful qualities (inluding exchanges like the following (approximate working from memory)

"The police arrested me when I passed out in the mud."
"That is not good, my son."

Anyway, it also includes lots of declination tables but finding patterns is really hard because of massive non-linear morphonemic alternations (making Polish seem tame) but the fact that every little morpheme (and there's no end to them) changes everything around it (in a ripple effect in both directions).

Greenlandic (what little I know of it) seems almost simple in comparison. I've managed to carefully avoid Georgian which seems to be in the Turkish gargle-throated phonological Sprachbund which means I can't make phonological sense of it when I do hear it.
mafketis   
14 Apr 2009
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

Simplified basic rules on Polish vocative (there may be an exception here or there):

Male names the vocative = the locative, if you can say "about ...." thats also the vocative

If you don't know the locative the ending is

if the final consonant is hard, then the ending is -(J)e (that is e preceded by softening the consonant before it)

Robert = Robercie!

Ryszard = Ryszardzie!

Paweł = Pawle!

Wiesław = Wiesławie!

if the last consonant is already soft or -sz, -rz, -l, -ch or -k then the vocative is -u

Januszu!
Lechu!
Karolu!
Jacku!
Jasiu! (from jaś
Kazimierzu!

For women if the final consonant is hard then -a becomes -o

Anna = Anno!
Agnieszka = Agnieszko!
Barbara = Barbaro!

If the final consonant is soft, then -ia becomes -iu

Ania = Aniu
Asia = Asiu
Zosia = Zosiu

but if the final is -ja or -ia (where -i- is pronounced as -j-, almost like a separate vowel) then they act like hard stems

Natalia = Natalio
Patrycja = Patrycjo

If the final consonant is -l- or -sz- I'm not so sure, I'm pretty sure I've heard both Elo and Elu and Olu and Olo (I think the forms in -u are more common but I'll leave that for Poles to debate).

The vocative of Pan is Panie and the vocative of Pani is .... Pani. These aren't used on their own though, they're followed by a name or title.

Panie Norbercie! Pani Krystyno! Panie kolego! (Mr Colleague!)
mafketis   
16 Apr 2009
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

I believe some of the Central American languages make a distinction between creaky and non-creaky vocal sounds

Can't say I've heard of this in terms of Central American languages. IME creaky voice is more commonly associated with SE Asia. Burmese and Vietnamese especially have tones that are partly distinguished by creaky voice.

There are many native american languages (N, C and S America) that have glottalizaed consonants (usually written p' t' k' s' etc) for these the throat closes while the consonant is pronounced and then opened (the exact timing differs from language to language). It often creates a distinct kind of catch in the voice, in the case of k' or q' it can sound almost like a click.
mafketis   
29 Jun 2009
Food / BREAD IN POLAND IS DETERIORATING [90]

My opinion is that yes, the overall quality of bread in Poland has deteriorated somewhat in recent years. I kind of have the idea that they're whipping more air into it now (year by year it gets squishier and squishier). But I don't know enough about breadmaking to say anything sure.

This is less true in the countryside but urban consumers are notoriously less picky and will buy crap and ask for more.

On the other hand, good quality bread is less important now. In communist times Polish bread was thick and nutritious. It was easy to think a person could live off it and many people essentially did.

There's a lot more variety in affordable food available now and bread isn't really the staff of life anymore (except for the poorest who are paying nutritionally for the expanded choices of the rest of us).

Excellent bread can still be found but it takes effort and it's more expensive. The quality of the everyday stuff for most people has absolutely deteriorated and no one with a memory can really deny that.
mafketis   
2 Jul 2009
Life / Smoking vs. Grilling on Balconies / High Rises in Poland [66]

Since when is it rude to grill on the balcony?

I've seen/smelled it often enough here and done it too and no one's complained or looked at me funny.

Maybe it's some kind of weird Krakus thing?