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Nathan   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Poles have a long tradition of tolerance

;-)

Some of them thinks that West Europe is somehow superior to East Europe

Nathan   
28 Mar 2009
News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

If the through-put capacity of the Ukrainian pipeline is expanded by almost 60 billion cubic meters there would be no commercial justification for building either the Nord Stream or South Stream pipelines.

Absolutely and it is possible and less expensive.

geopolitical goal of bringing Ukraine into Russia's sphere of influence

True. This is 90% what Russia is after. They don't need another gas line. They want to build it in order to turn off the gas when Ukraine doesn't behave the way Russia wants. Ukraine doesn't earn a cent when the gas stays undelivered by Russia through the pipe. So it is definately not in Ukrainian interests to switch it off (what for?), moreover it is being supplied by it as well. I am happy to hear the news of new contract being signed by European Union and Ukraine about updating existing pipe-lines. Smart move and billions of savings for EU budget. Poland, thanks for support.
Nathan   
29 Mar 2009
News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

I don't trust the Ukraine to deliver the gas to western Europe when they themselves are freezing because they can't pay the Russians.

It is Ukraine, not the Ukraine, btw.
Don't trust. This is not the problem. The problem lies in the fact that instead of diversifying its suppliers European Union was about to sign a contract to build two pipelines coming from Russia which you trust , BB. I completely agree with Pohlatohlakas when he says of some other sources. Great idea. I think Iran or Iraq would be great for EU. It doesn't have to go through Ukraine. It can pass through Turkey and Bulgaria, so you are safe and secure. Norway, Trans-space, Deep-Earth lines, whatever, but diversify. Otherwise, you will have winters like this one again. And , by the way, Ukraine never shut off the gas that was intended for EU. I will find you a link that says about EU delegates who support that. We had a porblem with Russia money-wise, but it doesn't mean they had to cut off your gas, BB. Also don't forget the environmental tragedy these could have caused if built.
Nathan   
4 Apr 2009
News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

It means that Russia has lost the gas war with Ukraine

Haha.. Why do you quote yourself? You make up things and then quote yourself? Cool. Nobody lost anything. Luckily for many European countries, not Germany and Russia - friends and lovers, Nord Stream isn't going to be built. Baltic will stay relatively clean and fish will live there. EU will find some other ways to supply itself with gas, no doubt.
Nathan   
4 Apr 2009
News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

Support these words of yours with EU statements, please, be so kind. Find some for me, especially about "choke". And again don't quote yourself in your answer.

Germany is a world leader in green, environmental friendly politics and technology for decades now! Ukraine is so not!

If so many environmental specialists say it is dangerous and will cause a catastrophy, what it means is Germany again is "smarter"?
Yes, I care about environment. And I eat fish as well. Polish sledzie and sprats from Lithuania. So don't say I don't give a crap. Just become a bit more humane after what you did in 20th century with your lovers - Russians. Hmm. "green leaders"

And about the money. You do it for your own sake. It is a business and more profitable for you, isn't? Thanks anyway.
Nathan   
4 Apr 2009
News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

Then make up your mind...either a second Ribbentrop-Molotov pact or help.
Believe me...we are not happy to pay for Ukrainians duties.
Here you have a reason why we need alternatives first hand!

Help? Are you saying that bank helps you when you buy a house? Maybe, but then you help bank to keep its employees and earn interests.

Ribbentrop-Molotov...haha.. I know you will not forget that. I wouldn't expect less from either side of love di-angle :)
You are not happy? Then build Nord Stream or anyone forces you otherwise? If the Germany didn't trust Ukraine it wouldn't engage in the work. Or the Germany is also a love leader besides green one and sacrifices its interests for the sake of love?

And btw, I thanked for a good transaction - nothing else.
Nathan   
4 Apr 2009
News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

Show me two names of Ukrainian journalists (I even don't say "many") who use "the" in front of Ukraine. It is not correct. "implying confederation" of what? Russia is a confederation of many republics and nations. Ukraine is a unitarian state.
Nathan   
7 Apr 2009
Life / The Pole is happy when someone else cries... [75]

managed to spread your Language and culture around the world

Where do Germany and Italy spread their language - the Alps? Does forcefully spreading culture like Brits in North America and Spanish in South America or Russia absence of culture used to spread in the Soviet Union is a beacon of success? Regarding the complex of gloating over your neighbor, when he feels bad, may have the roots in what you say, but also, I think, it is based on the fact that success sometimes was due to as*-lic*ing of invasive forces which made those people contemptible and others cheered on their failure. When your are under foreign regime as many times happened to many countries (not to far-aloofing islands of Britain and America), even to get a job and become rich depended on your "lingual" skills. Therefore, those who didn't used that skill had a deep contempt to those "able". Eventually success became deeply intertwined with that notion and persists sometimes today. Nothing unusual in it. Normal human psychlogical response built over centuries. Should it be worked on - in order to discard - by anyone who has it? If person wants to improve himself spiritually and mentally, it would be a good idea.
Nathan   
19 Apr 2009
News / US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland [405]

They now say that pirates of Somalia stole the WMD from Iraq and transported them to their ships by camel caravans. Hmm... interesting.
Nathan   
20 Apr 2009
News / US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland [405]

Hate to burst your bubble here...chemical weapons ARE WMD's

What about farts? Can Iraqis fart or if they do, they got invaded?

where Saddam's army lined up the Kuwaiti officers outside their barracks and machine gunned them...are still there.

They were there for 10 years, didn't you know about them before and found out only in 2003?

still enough to blame Iraq at least partially for what happened.

Why don't attack Saudi Arabia instead or with Iraq. 19 "hijackers" were from there, right?

Yet...you've yet to show that it wasn't associated.

Nice move. I hope courts would never be working like that: you are guilty unless you prove your innocence.

Even if it were not the brains, it was I believe at least partially responsible for funding. Iraq's public affairs website, even, prior to the war beginning, looked like it came from a Neo-Nazi group, blaming all sorts of things on the US and especially "Zionists" here or there. Yes, I went to the site. I believe it pays to study one's enemies...it not only helps in war, but later when that same enemy might be a friend.

"I believe at least partially", "website...[i]looked like it came from Neo-Nazi group..", "blaming all sorts of things on the US" etc.

Not much is necessary to be wrong in American eyes. But what is hurting the most is the fact that this only applies to oil-bearing nations. Do you think only Iraq had something to say about you?

believe it pays to study one's enemies...it not only helps in war, but later when that same enemy might be a friend

I believe you study oil fields, not social, cultural or other currents of life.

Why are to be afraid to say Russia is the country. Well, both of ya are pain in the butt of many nations. Why there is no finger-pointing to Canada, second-largest country in the world? Because it doesn't stick its nose where it doesn't belong and doesn't kill thousands of civilians on the way.
Nathan   
22 Apr 2009
News / US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland [405]

JohnP:
still enough to blame Iraq at least partially for what happened.

What about others "partially" responsible? Are they excused?

Iraq was thumbing its nose at restrictions placed on it during the first war...

But was the restrictions set by US or the United Nations? If it was the latter, why the United Nations were against invasion of Iraq? US thumbed its nose at the UN resolutions, hm?

And the Saudi gave under the table? Where is the proof of support of these organizations and why the UN haven't seen it? How do you know Saudi didn't support? Is there any way you can check? Of course, not, only Hollywood can do that by tracking People's Bank checking accounts. What about Bin Laden, what was it all about? What was his family doing in the US and leaving day after the Twin Towers fall? It is tiring even to write because it will hit a wall anyway and you like to type Bibles: many words and no sense.

So your argument is faulty.

Do you yourself understand what you wrote? It is gibberish of nonsense.

Rather, I blame people like you, who lose everything because they are watching the neighbor's house while their own is on fire.

Of course, you blame me and people that have the same opinion about Holy US BS. I didn't lose anything and I am not going to bend my back listening to the trash you try to spill on the world. You are not brainwashed, for that brains are necessary in the first place. Love to your country in all the aspect no matter what it does is not love because innocent people of your own country die for the sake of retards like your previous president and his surroundings. They did earn money and f*cked the country with the help of similar to you, blinded squeeks.
Nathan   
22 Apr 2009
News / US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland [405]

Prior to the war, there were photos shown on the news of Iraqi intelligence agents meeting with hijackers in Switzerland;

And you are saying to me go and read my comic books? I can provide you with photos of my penis dealing with crack dealers from Colombia at the Eiffel tower in Pakistan before today, tomorrow and twenty years from now. Photos and BinLaden translations are for the US not for the thinking world. Photos is a proof of its lack.

No. Which is why they are being hunted and or killed as we speak,

Who is hunted? Give me a break, Bin Laden is being hunted? Hahah. Yeh, right. You will hunt until there are no more hunters that's for sure. You still didn't answer about the fate of "partially responsible". I was talking not about imaginary responsible that your government made up. But even a simple fact that majority of the "terrorists" were from Saudi Arabia suggests that probably their bosses, at least some of them, are in that country as well, no? Do you do something to find out or

The Saudi government does not, regardless of the fact some of the hijackers were Saudi. That is the primary difference.

logic is going to be your startegy?

Just because a group of terrorists are from a certain country is not enough to call that country a state supporter

"Axis of evil" spreads only on those who are in the way, I know. You will have photos, you will have Switzerland banks, you will have camels carrying WMDs across the Red Sea - everything just to show majority of Americans glued to TVs like to the last source of survival and tell them as much lies as you can. Do what you do, but at the end of the day, the regular American and regular person from so many other countries will pay for it dearly either by own blood or blood of the kids.

although I have a feeling you are (predictably) going to try to blame everyone but the terrorists or their direct supporters...

I am used to proves and not calling guilty before that as well as we are living in the global community and if all the world is saying "wait" and Johnny Poop says "no, I don't give a crap because I am the One who can produce photos and only my intelligence is correct", in my opinion, it is wrong and I say that.

Ahh...so the new definition of anything challenging your canned belief

You call logical attacking Iraq when there was no prove of the WMDs in the country and the UN asked you to wait until it is cleared out + linking Iraq to the Twin Towers and support of terrorist while so many other countries sell weapons to each other and so-called terrorists. Still you attacked Iraq. What is that great logic behind it that I can't grasp with my little brain?
Nathan   
29 Jun 2009
Genealogy / Mongolian the Golden Horde - do Poles have Mongolian ancestry? [256]

Sasha

Welcome to the world of Russian bull sh*t. Every sentence is full of lies. I completely agree with PennBoy that Polish and Bielorussian family would have difficulty to understand each other. I had a chance to speak to guys from both countries at the same time and I had to be a translator as each one of them were missing the parts of the conversation. On my part I never studied either Polish, or Bielorussian, but somehow it is easy for me to understand both.

The second thing is to claim that there are only two Slavic nations is simply preposterous and say that some Ukrainian professor claims that it is the truth. Please, get the quote of him, his name and credentials, Sasha. Don't throw words like that. Nobody says Russians are actually Mongoloid nation with Ugro-Finnish condiments here, although it is not a secret, I think.

Ukrainians living in the western region are not standing apart of the nation, but are actually something like Piemont was in Italy - it unites Ukrainians together. On the other hand, the most pure version of Ukrainian language is considered to come from Poltava region which is in eastern part of Ukraine.

Sasha as always tries to bring the stench from Russian steppes which he enjoys to breathe in, but that's ok, what else he can do? ;) I wish he could expand more on his Asiatic roots instead of explaining who is who in blind lies.
Nathan   
22 Dec 2009
History / Famous Russian Poles [243]

it was the Polish woman, angry about the loss of her political influence, who kept the flame of Polish nationalism alive through the years of partition.

Do you disagree? Who else could it be? :)
Nathan   
23 Jan 2010
History / Question on Poland's szlachta clan admission [26]

take my family, our coat of arms is Rogala and we share it with what? Sixty other families?

I thought it was Dziurka od Bulki coat of arms ;)
Why would sixty families want to share something like that? Don`t be ridiculous.
Btw, rogali (croissants) are said to come from the Turks who made pastry moon-like to emulate their symbol. Maybe, there is the root of your ancestry. Check it, you never know. It is possible that at battle of Vienna your ancestor was working at harem as a keeper (if you know what I mean). But again, how then you came around? It is a complicated heritage issue, Socki. Try gene analysis, might be of great help and reveal many secrets. Good luck ;)
Nathan   
23 Jan 2010
History / Question on Poland's szlachta clan admission [26]

who knows

My grandfathers plowed your grandfathers in the battlefield (when they didn't flee, which as you know happened very rarely) and your grandmothers on the fields of ardent love ;) This is another way you might have come around with your bułka or rogal ;)
Nathan   
29 Jan 2010
History / remember, forget, forgive, blame ... Holocaust Memorial Day in Poland [231]

I once watched a horrifying movie about the massacre in Babi Jar...around the poor sods on their way to the place where they would shot there was maybe a handful of german soldiers...but hundreds of brutal Ukrainians/whatever with clubs beating the Jews....many more than the Germans.

Ukrainians didn't kill a single Jew in Babi Jar. There was an auxillary unit of some sick Ukrainian f*cks, who took luggage from the Jews and some did kick those who walked slowly, but neither of them executed a single person.

The decision to kill all the Jews in Kiev was made by the military governor, Major-General Friedrich Eberhardt, the Police Commander for Army Group South, SS-Obergruppenführer Friedrich Jeckeln, and the Einsatzgruppe C Commander Otto Rasch.It was carried out by combined forces of SS, SD and SiPo.

All were driven in groups of ten down a corridor of SS soldiers, and then shot at the edge of the Babi Yar gorge. The crowd was large enough that most of the men, women, and children could not have known what was happening until it was too late

I am glad they show some movies in Germany to lift the feeling of guilt from the growing young generations. To accuse others, like you did with Iwan Demyaniuk, who was freed by Israel court system, but is now tried in Germany for the 3rd time. But what do you want others to think of Babi Jar? Nazi Germany murdered 34,000 Jews there! And you call it:

there was maybe a handful of german soldiers...but hundreds of brutal Ukrainians

It was some handful...

It is estimated that more than 100,000 Ukrainians, mostly civilians, of whom a significant number were Jews, were murdered by the Nazis there during World War II.[2][9]

According to various estimates, during 1941-1943 between 70,000 and 200 000 Roma people were rounded up and murdered at Babi Yar. Patients of the Ivan Pavlov Psychiatric Hospital were gassed and then dumped into the ravine. Thousands of other Ukrainians were killed at Babi Yar.[18] Among those murdered were 621 members of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN).

They murdered everyone, even people in hospitals. No one shot there was done by a Ukrainian.
I can understand your frustration that you might feel from the pressure from all sides, which touches innocent Germans that have nothing to do with it and want to move on, but it doesn't mean that you have to carve out and twist facts to make your point.
Nathan   
30 Jan 2010
History / remember, forget, forgive, blame ... Holocaust Memorial Day in Poland [231]

1172: German emperorFriedrich I Barbarossa defends the independence of the Polish dukes
1226: Konrad Mazowiecki asks the Teutonic Knights, a Crusading Order based in Germany, to help subdue the pagan north-eastern tribes of Prussia
1241: the Mongols invade Poland and defeat a joint armyof Henry the Pious (Pajac :) of Silesia and the Teutonic Knightsat the battle of Liegnitz/Wahlstatt

What all this fight is about? There was so much love, support and understanding between both of you. Now put aside your halbas of beer and gaily squeeze each other, mf (my firends ;)

How glorious, eternal and pure the Polish-Hungarian friendship is!

1444: the Polish-Hungarian army is defeated by the Ottomans at Varna, Wladyslaw III is killed and Poland loses Hungary
1526: Ludwig Jagiellonian dies at the battle of Mohacs and the Jagiellonians lose Hungaryand Bohemia

It seems like Hungary wanted to be "lost" from this "friendship" ;) It looks like Polish wanted to hump everything they saw around, even "friends" ;)

And to link this multitude of love and glorious "eternelity and purity":

Abandoned by its allies and threatened with civil war, Czecho-Slovakia was unable to fight its neighbors. Instead, it allowed Germany, Hungary, and Poland to bite off pieces

weeklyuniverse.com/2003/poland.htm
Perfect love triangle?!

Our pleasure!

Everybody knows - you haven't had to say it.

Poland though a regional power did not invade (Germany)

Haha, with what? You left your army in Ukrainian fields together with its gay feathers ;). Now we have nice crops of sweet beets (Poles are sweet when they are asleep or dead:()
Nathan   
31 Jan 2010
History / remember, forget, forgive, blame ... Holocaust Memorial Day in Poland [231]

What? Have you been drinking so early in the morning, Nat?

Yes, it was Ukrainian horilka made out of outstanding sweet beets (*Nathan scratches his head not completely understanding where that sweetness comes from* ;) I am just testing my radar of tolerance, Torq ;)

because Ukraine has no friends or allies

Well, off the hook I may mention Georgia, which is our friend and ally. But I see also many warm feelings coming from Poland and Germany and I dearly want to hug all of you, guys and girls. Also I feel that Crow will raise his whole country to help his brothers in time of hardship. So - plenty, sweety.

At no point in history was your country equal to Poland or treated as equal

I don't know why you always feel subservient, Sokrates. I consider you as my peer. Please, don't bow - I like you the way you are, my little old brat (English word, not Ukrainian ;)

still there's little monkeys like you that make our job difficult

Nobody asked you to enter our jungle - the rules here are different from those of pampered little diaper-destroyers like yourself. Learn to survive or get the hell out ;)
Nathan   
15 Feb 2010
Language / Etymology of pan /pani [18]

There was a poor guy Pantofel. He had a wife who was about to leave him because he was a hard-working man and came tired from work with little money. She yelled at him and laughed, told him that he is not even able to satisfy her at the piec, where they used to sleep in cold winter-time. He was repairing shoes for his neighbors. One day, when he jumped off the piec, he landed on a cat and completely crushed poor Misek (it was the name of the fallen cat on the battlefield of life). He wanted to step off, but fell incredibly comfortable. And then an idea struck him: to make comfortable shoes that you can wear around the house. This is how he started his little business of producing slippers. Cats started to disappear. His business grew and he became the richest guy in the neighborhood. He bought a lot of land and his wife persuaded by the riches stayed. He was still tired as he looked himself as slippers were made whole day, but it didn't bother her: she found some young stallion from the other village. One day Pantofel came unexpectedly home and saw his wife winning the race on an exhausted horse, beaten to death for at least an hour. He took his shotgun and shot both in cold blood sprinkling the walls with sparkling brain cells. He then burnt the house. Nobody knew what happened to his wife and a guy from the nearest village. People believed it was a witch that lived in the forest and who stole people to make soups and pierogies with meatballs. Pantofel ordered to kill the witch in order to cover-up his revangeful justice.

Well, he became secluded and lonely, angry and more rich. When he died people didn't call him "Pantofel", but simply "Pan", which came to be associated with being rich landowner and eventually to anyone who had a hat on his head. This is how it all came about.
Nathan   
18 Feb 2010
History / Yalta Conference and Poland [78]

"Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to." -- Marshall Rydz-Smigly

Hm.., : ) After grabbing Teschen from Czechoslovakia and Vilnus from Lithuanians in 1938, I wouldn't be supprised to hear these words from Marshal Smeagol. Lots of mania of grandeur and pretense on the Middle Ages.

There seems to be an atmosphere that Poland was sold, cheated on,...
Poland received a huge chunk of German lands in the west. Ukraine, Belorus' and Lithuania received their ethnic territories. The last 3 countries lost over 3 million soldiers defending these lands, their homes and families. And now there is a pathetic cry of some selling?!

Give me a break.
Nathan   
25 Feb 2010
Language / Etymology of pan /pani [18]

Send a script to Hollywood and they call you

Names? ;) (but thanks for advice)
Nathan   
26 Feb 2010
Genealogy / Polish-Ukranian roots and genes [72]

Ukrainians are genteic mix

And you are a mix between a b*tch in heat and a castrated mule.

Dupuy et al. (2005) speculated that "R1a [in Norway] might represent the spread of the Corded Ware and Battle-Axe cultures from central and east Europe." Luca et al. (2006), looking at data from the Czech Republic suggested there was evidence for a rapid demographic expansion approximately 1500 years ago. Rebala et al. (2007) also detected Y-STR evidence of a recent Slavic expansion from the area of modern Ukraine. Gwodzdz (2009) saw evidence for a "rapid population expansion somewhat less than 1,500 years ago in the area that is now Poland".

So scientists are not sure about where R1a1a originated and if they even pinpointed exactly the region, it would be still 1,500 years ago where neither of the two nations existed.

Apes share 99% of the their genome with humans. So how much do you expect to be a difference between two neighbors, not separated by seas, forests, mountains,...?

really ?
I hate to explain something to somebody so evidently ignorant of the subject.
let's put it this way - very sparsely populated,

Ignorant are you:

The economic development of Kievan Rus may be translated into demographic statistics. Around 1200, Kiev had a population of 50,000 people, Novgorod and Chernigov both had around 30,000 people.[16] Constantinople had population of about 400,000 people around 1180.[17] The Soviet scholar Mikhail Tikhomirov calculated that Kievan Rus' on the eve of the Mongol invasion had around 300 urban centers.[18]

In 1200:
Venice - a state-port, business center of the world - 80,000
London! - 20,000-25,000
Paris - c.80,000
According to Mottek, 10-15% of Germans lived in cities, the rest - in the countryside in 1100-1200 years. Since Kievan Rus' was one of the strongest kingdoms in Europe, not even mentioning military deeds, king Yaroslaw the Wise married his daughters out into other royal families:

Elizabeth of Kiev to Harald III of Norway (who had attained her hand by his military exploits in the Byzantine Empire); Anastasia of Kiev to the future Andrew I of Hungary, and the youngest daughter Anne of Kiev married Henry I of France and was the regent of France during their son's minority. Another daughter may have been the Agatha who married Edward the Exile, heir to the throne of England and was the mother of Edgar Ætheling and St. Margaret of Scotland.

Two urban centers like L'viv and Kholm (the second was renamed Chelm and now is in Poland) were built by Ukrainian king Danylo Halyckiy in 12th century before Polish barbarians invaded the country.

Let's logically assume the same population distribution. Then, make a calculation: 300 urban centers with an average let's say even 3,000 people = 900,000 urban dwellers. The total population will then be c. 6 million people (10% of European population!!!) It doesn't seem sparesely populated.

pol-and.eu/EN/History10-12Century.html

At the beginning of the 12th century Poland was inhabited by c.a. 1,5 million people. Biggest cities: Gniezno, Cracow, Wrocław and Wolin had 4-5 thousand inhabitants on average.

Looks like little villages ;) in comparison to Kijiv and Chernigiv. Compare Gniezno

One of the Piasts' chief cities, it was the first capital of Poland in the 10th century

to Kijiv

The city may have been founded in the 5th century as a trading post, perhaps part of the land of the early Slavs. It gradually acquired eminence as the centre of the East Slavic civilization, becoming in the tenth to twelfth centuries a political and cultural capital of Rus', a medieval East Slavic state

Newspapers like "Lomza news" often make similar claims and I see Ironside is an active subscriber. Try to look more extensively and no, Poles didn't come to some bare fields and didn't bring culture as many of you imagine: they came into well developped country and more then sure borrowed a lot from its culture.
Nathan   
1 Mar 2010
Genealogy / Polish-Ukranian roots and genes [72]

The chronicles indicate

And the year the chronicles date to? I am glad you checked the book out :)

It is estimated that by the late twelfth and early thirteenth centuries the total population of Kievan Rus' was approximately seven to eight million. At about the same time in Western Europe, territorially much smaller Germany (the Holy Roman Empire) also had approximately eight million people, and France about 15 million people.

So I even underestimated the population of Kievan Rus'. Now:
25 million people died in just under five years between 1347 and 1352. Estimated population of Europe from 1000 to 1352.
1000 38 million
1100 48 million
1200 59 million
1300 70 million
1347 75 million
1352 50 million

Kievan Rus

Kijiv

Ruthenians didn't differ much from other 'barbarians'

;)
Ironside, notice the location of Vistula (Wisła). It was almost at the border ;) Where are you from exactly in Poland? Maybe, your ancestors were proud residents of Kievan Rus' and you as a result are not really a Pole ;)
Nathan   
2 Mar 2010
Genealogy / Polish-Ukranian roots and genes [72]

You wouldn't like it ;)

If I wouldn't, I wouldn't recommend it ;) He writes in a beautiful narrative and even though he has some national inclinations, he still remains very objective and this I like :)

It must be the peak of Kievan Rus' achievements

Very subjective ;)