Hi, I was looking through some of my great grand dad's stuff and found his birth certificate. He was born in ''Rudki'': it says Russia, but from what I know he's polish. Was it a mistake on the certificate? I looked up Rudki on google map, its in Ukraine I but don't know how accurate this map is... So yeah I'm very confused lol.
Rudki - wieś w woj. kujawsko-pomorskim, w pow. świeckim, w gminie Pruszcz Rudki - wieś w woj. lubelskim, w pow. kraśnickim, w gminie Zakrzówek Rudki - wieś w woj. mazowieckim, w pow. grójeckim, w gminie Nowe Miasto nad Pilicą Rudki - wieś w woj. mazowieckim, w pow. zwoleńskim, w gminie Przyłęk Rudki - wieś w woj. świętokrzyskim, w pow. kieleckim, w gminie Nowa Słupia Rudki - wieś w woj. świętokrzyskim, w pow. staszowskim, w gminie Szydłów Rudki - wieś w woj. wielkopolskim, w pow. gnieźnieńskim, w gminie Trzemeszno Rudki - wieś w woj. wielkopolskim, w pow. szamotulskim, w gminie Ostroróg Rudki - wieś w woj. wielkopolskim, w pow. wrzesińskim, w gminie Miłosław Rudki - wieś w woj. zachodniopomorskim, w pow. wałeckim, w gminie Wałcz 1 miejscowość na Ukrainie:
Rudki - miejscowość w obwodzie lwowskim
there are many Rudki villages. :)
Your grandfather might have been born before Poland regained its independence in 1918. You see from 1795-1918 Poland was partioned between Russia, Austria and Prussia and it disapeared from the map.
as for the surname Czajka it is slavic , may be Polish , usually Cz is Polish
In polish the verb czaic means to lie in wait, to lurk, to pursue stealthily. Czajka - latin- Vanellus vanellus - lapwing; pewit Name Czajka , Czajkowski/ska - I know many of them.
Examine your granddad's bc very closly to see if there is anything that narrows down the town location. My grandfather's had a seal on it that showed the woj. If there isn't then I suggest obtaining additional US records.
does anyone know if the last name Cajka could be a version of Czajka? my dad always said we were Czechoslovakian but on ancestry.com it says my great grandfather was born in Austria sometime around 1877 and immigrated to the USA in early 1900s because his first sons were born here in 1906 and 1907. on the papers it says Cajka and it hasn't changed since. could that just be an influence of the area they settled in? i know that my grandfather and all his brothers worked in the coal mines in the Swoyersville area of Wilkes-Barre Scranton area. i did not know that Poland was partitioned out to Austria Russia and Prussia! very interesting. if anyone can help further that would be great. thank you.
CAJKA: This is the masurianised version of Czajka (lapwing, a water bird). In some peasant dialects (not only in Masuria) the cz is pronounced like a c, hence carny (czarny) for black.
so is it safe to assume that cajka is definitely polish descent? my brother and i have been wondering this for along time. my dad was never quite sure where the name came from he must not have asked while his parents or uncles and aunts were around. now its too late for that. did masuria belong to austria during the partition times?
does anyone know how to find any family crests or coat of arms for the last name cajka? it has been spelled as cajka since my great grandfather (Andrew Cajka) came to USA in the early 1900s. the only crests i could find are for "czajka" and i'm not entirely sure if that would be the same thing.
There we're two noble lines amongst the bearers of the Czajka surname using the Dębno and Jastrzębiec clan-names. Check them out at: pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herby_szlachty_polskiej_(galeria)#Herby_rod.C3.B3w_szlacheckich
so basically all the czajka surnames came from the larger line of clan names you mentioned? i understand czajka is translated as a bird,lapwing; but what might the czajka's occupations have been. as i understand the surnames were either occupational titles or maybe named after the town they lived/were born in or even a nickname of sorts and the clan names were like "last" names that big groups of people belonged to. thanks for all your help.
This is one vast and highly complicated realm which would take volumes to explain. In the briefest of terms, Czajka was never a clan-name but a surname that started out as a nickname. Why someone was nicknamed Czajka is anyone's guess. He could have resembled the lapwing (tufted hair, beaky nose, beady eyes) or he could have lived in a place locally known as a lapwing nesting ground or maybe he hailed from some such locality as Czajki, Czajków or Czajkowo.
People usually became members of noble clans through heredity, marrying into one or adoption for a variety of reasons. Since there were two noble lines of the Czajkas, perhaps each received their coat of arms for different reasons. In most cases, only a minority of your namesakes (ie people named Czajka) enjoyed noble rank -- from several to a dozen percent in most cases. The percentage of nobles was normally higher amongst the bearers of ski-ending names.
And finally, no-one can conclusively say Czajka is Polish or Russian or Ukrainian or Slovak or anything else, because it could be any of them and then some. One example -- a Russian soldier surnamed Чайка was sent in the 1790s to help keep the Poles in check, but he fell in love with a lovely Polish lass (aren't they all?!), married and settled down. Naturally in Poland he spelt his name Czajka, most likely converted to Catholicism and when he fathered a child it had Czajka in its baptismal certificate. After even 2 generations, 3 at most, nobody in that family regarded themselves as anything other than pure Polish.
you seem to know way more about the last name than my dad which is kinda sad. short of visiting that part of the world, how would one determine if they were a apart of the noble lines or just a regular "joe schmoe"? my grandmothers maiden name was pavlik/pavlick. i saw the actual immigration papers once of her father josef pavlik/pavlick and he was definitely ukranian. dont know if that helps at all, im just trying to piece together history of my ancestors and where they were actually from. if ancestry.com says my great grandfather (andrew cajka) was born in austria, do you think that is really correct?
He probably was born in Austrian-occupied lands. The Austro-Hungarian (Habsburg) Empire was a hotchpotch of nationalities including speakers of German, Italian, Polish, Jewish, Ukrainian, Slovak, Hungarian, etc. Since there was no independent Poland at that time, those coming from a given partition (occupation zone) were usually listed as citizens of Imperial Russia, the Kingdom of Prussia or Austro-Hungary. The only way to find out if your branch of the Czajkas had noble roots would be to enlist the services of a good professional genealogist.
thank you so much for your help and time. my brother wants to get a tatoo of a family crest or coat of arms. can we assume that ALL of the czajkas/cajkas are from either the debno and/or jastrzebiec clans?
No, all the NOBLE Czajkas are pinned to one of those two clans. Probably 95% or more were commoners with no right to use any coat of arms whatsoever. However, since no Heraldry Police exist, who is to stop anyone?!
How ironic....I married a "Cajka" and was wondering the same thing about the last name. Did your bother ever get a coat of arms? Do you have pictures or where did you get it from?
I am doing research on the Czajka line of my family as well. My family often spoke of coming from Poland/Russia but I found census records where they claimed to be from Hungary. What I do know is they spoke and claimed Polish as their culture/language. I would love to compare notes from my line with yours if you're interested. My email is mough319@ymail.com. My name is Monique Luetkemeyer and the Czajka's were my grandmother's line. Good luck to you in your search!
There are numerous villages called Rudki all over Poland and Ukraine. Czajka CAN be a Polish name, but not only. In Polish it means lapwing or pewit (a wading bird), in Russian it means seagull.
Čajka would be the Czech and Slovakia spelling. But in America accent marks get lost so it would end up as just plain Cajka. Probably more than one Heinz 57 would Anglo-mangle it into something like CADGE-ka. Someone hearing it might equate it with kaczka....and that is how the confusion spreads.
Tracked my family back to Tarlow in Poland... where a big bunch of Czajka's still live. I've been corresponding with Jenny and Peggy Czajka in Australia for ages... trying to work out if their family is related to ours. We suspect they are as their dads seem to have come from the same region (within 50 km of Tarlow).
Chicosky, is my great grandfathers name, and his birth certificate stated Russia, he came into the US in 1880. Any idea of this surname being from Czajka? I see Chaikov is similar and so is Tchaikovsky, and I remember some discussion of a place called Tagalog Russia as a possible homeland.
Chikosky seems like a American rendition of the Russian surname Tchaikovsky or Polish surname Czajkowski which are essentially the same surname (the fromer i.e Russian surname is more probable because Chikosky is a phonetic rendition (not based on graphic form since the graphic form was probably in the cyrillic script) - the surname means: someone from (or connected to) a place called Czajków or Czajkowo, which in turn most probably comes from the word "czajka" which is a name of a bird that was previously very common in Eastern Europe (according to wikipedia it is called peewit in English (Lat. Vanellus vanellus))
surnames ending in -ski (sometimes -cki or -dzki) were previously associated to nobility in Poland but it was never a strict rule (well also nobility adopted surnames much earlier than peasants, in Poland)
I may well be wrong but your great grandfather might have been born in Taganrog (it is the only city in Russia that is called similarly to your version) - Taganrog is a city in southern Russia (not a very big one, mind you) not far from Rostov-on-Don (however it is entirely possible that Tagalog is some small place I have never heard about)
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