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'Cuz someone doesn't go to Church but once in a blue moon, yet keeps Christian in their heart, does it makes them a "pretend" Christian???! If that's cardiac religion, place me under cardiac arrest, I dare ya:-)

Oh, I have no family in Poland to which the present conflict applies, so I'm exempt from all the wranglingLOL

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@Rich Hey, you're a historical Pole and I'm a historical Jew! LOL

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They certainly don't behave Chosen! Many hide their filthy deeds beneath the shreimel aka cassock of pious fraudulence, making the rest of us honest, assimilated Jews look even worse than we already do.

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Are you sure about that?

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You don't know me-:)

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Not aware of Jews high up in the Sejm during Communist times as compared with East Germany, e.g. spymaster Markus Wolff, Klaus Gysi or Hermann Axen etc.

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Yes, that's basically correct.

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Sure, because the Jews en masse didn't want to convert to Christianity, a prerequisite for joining the military as well as the tradesmen's guilds-:)

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@Rich, that's a typical cop out response. Christians did indeed lose their property, however not exclusively because they were Christians No matter how the Jews tried to ingratiate themselves into gentile society, the latter were never satisfied.

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Only Madoff wasn't rotten because he was Jewish, while the Jews in question were stigmatized, victimized, displaced, and in most instances exterminated, SOLELY because they were!

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You're babbling again, Rich, almost as bad as Crow.

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Is it heirless though, Maf ? This remains the salient question.
@Ironside, those demanding financial redress are only gangsters in Duda's mind:-)

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Ditto.
Jews were no more gangsters than all non-Jewish Poles were drunks or anti-Semites!
One generalization's as bad as another.

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Israel considers Jews EVERYWHERE their business.
We seem to be losing sight of the basic bone of contention here, you people.
In the search for "heirs" to allegedly "heirless property", we've neglected to mention the fact that the Jews who were displaced in countries such as Poland, once again,

were there LEGALLY!! They were neither squatters nor beggars, nor foreigners in the technical sense, but rather citizens of another religious affiliation and a different ethnic origin.

Many though, were Polish nationalists through and through, such as Brzechwa, Tuwim and countless others who were proud to call themselves "Poles of Jewish heritage". A number, I read, fought in the Polish army side by side with gentiles, dying just as they died.

What's coloring this entire discussion is prejudice. As was quoted prior, non-Jews lost properties and businesses as did the Jews, yet somehow only the Jews were larger in number after WWII and applied for claims instead of merely taking a loss.

Why is that? Furthermore, what makes the claims of the Jewish property owners any less valuable than that of the gentiles who lost life and/or property?

No, folks, we're not going to arrive at any easy answers to this mess, I'm afraid.

@Maf & Tacitus, I sent you a private mail, but have yet to receive a reply:-)
@Ironside, I don't use GoogleTranslate to write Polish or any other languageLOL

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A matter of opinion, Rich.

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Is your English any more "incomprehensible" without some assistance from GoogleTranslate? Nice try to get me to crack-:)

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That question remains open.

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I'm not the one embarrassing themselves.

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Closed, yet for how long?

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I certainly haven't one. Neither, I can readily assure you, has anybody else.

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Hard to square even harder, colder facts with the understandable emotions of those ejected from THEIR, not someone else's, homeland. Put yourself for a moment in the Jews', for that matter any refugee group's, position. Empathy's never easy, folks-:)

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@Maf, the point of the story was, as with stolen "formerly" Jewish art works as well as tangible personal assets, that title search can yield a wealth of useful info. What likely occured after '45 was in all probability that countless desparate, displaced Poles needed a place to live, were told, "Hey, some Yids used to live around here, but they're all dead, so 'guess you guys can move on in 'cuz they sure ain't comin' back!" They eventually took possession and the rest is history.

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According to whatever local legal standard remains extant, to the "original" owner(s) of the property and their descendants, I suppose. Would certainly make sense, if I, you or whoever found ourselves in the identical situation! Easy to cast stones and blame Jews as the eternal victims racket. It's tough to fess up to the sin.

Back to the Native Americans analogy, there was an odd case roughly fifty years ago about the proverbial Canarsie Indian in Bklyn. who came knocking on the door of a young Caucasian couple who'd recently purchased the house (free and clear, so they thought), but who had forgotten to do a title search!! Upshot of the story is that sadly for Mr. & Mrs. John Smith plus junior, the couple was taken to court by said Canarsie Indian who discovered that the house was in fact located on stolen property. Legally the property wasn't theirs, although the broker who sold it to them swore up and down, backwards and forwards, that it was. The thief in question was the US gov't. way back around the time the area was settled by the Europeans. Turns out, I'm afraid, that the couple had to forfeit their "new" home and settle for another such one-family dwelling in the same boro, but in a different location, evidently not as nice as their dream house.

That title search might have saved 'em one heck of a lotta grief.....and money:-)

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Excuse the historical faux pas. I recalled too late upon posting, Blacks and Indianrs - '24, women's voting rights '2O! Couldn't edit message in time.

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Analogies though with other massive-scale depopulation actions such as those among the Native Americans and the US "Lebensraum" are inappropriate! The Jews of Europe were historically almost a tribal nation, only reluctantly granted citizenship until relatively late in the game. Native Americans, like the Roma, were never and still aren't officially granted citizenship status, whereas Polish Jews lived alongside gentile Poles. Shtettls were NOT reservations, therefore the Jews were living fair and square in homes/properties they purchased with their own money. If you're thrown out of YOUR home, how would feel about compensation?

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Similarly, I haven't an anti-gentile bone in my body either. However, there's a distinction between out-and-out bigotry and criticism of others-:) We all can stand improvement.

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If Jew, Black, LGBT hatred etc. had never existed, it would have to have been invented! Scapegoating is a cancer and it needs feeding Milo, Johnny and some of the rest of you.

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More symbolic than anything else in the long run.

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The satisfaction of having stolen property returned lies in the sentimental rather than solely the monetary value of same, everyone knows that::-)
Often, merely the act of getting back at the wrong doer(s) is worth far more than any financial gains therein.

Eons ago, I was physically manhandled at a (to remain nameless) Manhattan business office, and essentially pushed out of the waiting area and into the corridor. Naturally displeased, instead of getting on my libetard high horse about morally "correct" behavior etc. which would have yielded zilch, particularly back in the late '80's, instead, I left the building and found myself a nice clean pay phone several blocks away. I then proceeded to call the same office from which I was merrily trounced, affected a most convincing Mafia-lawyer accent, complete with Cuomoesque coarse, gravelly, Brooklynese and pretended I was this made-up lawyer calling on behalf of his client and demanded recompense, all but causing the "tough" office manager to gulp hard and have cardiac arrest on the phone, so frightened him I did.

Money??? I got NOTHING from the farce other than the sheer satisfaction of having bested a bully!

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It's more about principle than "principle", if you catch my drift-)