Nickidewbear
17 Jan 2013
Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]
Alicja.
Is there an equivalent name to Alicia, in the Polish language?
Alicja.
Nickidewbear
17 Jan 2013
Genealogy / Seeking Czarniecki family members and ancestors from Lublin, also Margiewicz, Danilowicz and Andrulewicz [77]
Actually, it does:
Believe or not, we--not the Hindus--created the "Star of David"--which it eventually became. Besides, the Andruleviciuses were not nobles; and why would a non-noble marry a noble?Also, we were Czernecki (That got changed only after the pogroms--can you blame us? We were scared--Dad and Pop-Pop still are, even though they were born here.). Furthermore, Margeviches are recorded in Ariogala, and living outside of it--that's us (or relatives of ours, anyhow).
More info:
Also, we took surnames only because we were required to do it --and we took the "Czarniecki" form only after the pogroms. Furthermore, many Jews claimed to be related to nobles so that we could pass and/or assimilate to some extent (Actually, Natalie Wood's family, the Zaharenko Gurdins, claimed to be related to the Romanovs; and guess who you can find on JewishGen--a Zaharenko family from the Ukraine!):
Also, our tree never goes back to Stefan Czarniecki--it would have if we were related to him.
So, I'm just saying--and as I've said before, my family chose to leave Lithuania, Belarus, and the Ukraine for Poland Proper in those days.
My own great-great-grandmother was Aleksjondria Alicja Andrulewiczówna Czernecka.
Her dad's family became Crypto Jews (Anusim) during the 1700s, but our generation may have reverted back for a time (I had Andrelovich and Andrulevich cousins in Lithuania and the Ukraine, respectfully.). We had a common relative named Aleksjondria Alicja (Daniłowiczówna, since that's the only way that Great-Great-Grandma would have ever listed her in-law mother as a relative at Ellis Island.). So, then, my great-grandaunt and two cousins were named the same (that is, Alexandria Alice) besides her (that, among other Ashkenazic Jewish customs, never went away when we became Anusim. In fact, at least one cousin was named "Regina Marie" for another great-grandaunt when my great-grandaunt was at the point of death--Regina Marie Yudiski, an Andrulewicz/Andruskiewicz, named for Regina Marie Czernecki, specifically. We did observe some Sephardic customs as well, though--e.g., naming for living relatives, since Aunt Mary was named for both of her grandmothers and not the Virgin Mary.).
Nope - it is one of the oldest Polish coats of arm -a star do not equate Jewish!
Actually, it does:
Amos 5:25-27
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
25 Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings
in the desert forty years, house of Isra'el?
26 No, but now you will bear Sikkut as your king
and Kiyun, your images,
the star of your god, which you made for yourselves;
27 as I exile you beyond Dammesek,"
says Adonai Elohei-Tzva'ot -
that is his name.
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
25 Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings
in the desert forty years, house of Isra'el?
26 No, but now you will bear Sikkut as your king
and Kiyun, your images,
the star of your god, which you made for yourselves;
27 as I exile you beyond Dammesek,"
says Adonai Elohei-Tzva'ot -
that is his name.
Believe or not, we--not the Hindus--created the "Star of David"--which it eventually became. Besides, the Andruleviciuses were not nobles; and why would a non-noble marry a noble?Also, we were Czernecki (That got changed only after the pogroms--can you blame us? We were scared--Dad and Pop-Pop still are, even though they were born here.). Furthermore, Margeviches are recorded in Ariogala, and living outside of it--that's us (or relatives of ours, anyhow).
More info:
Also, we took surnames only because we were required to do it --and we took the "Czarniecki" form only after the pogroms. Furthermore, many Jews claimed to be related to nobles so that we could pass and/or assimilate to some extent (Actually, Natalie Wood's family, the Zaharenko Gurdins, claimed to be related to the Romanovs; and guess who you can find on JewishGen--a Zaharenko family from the Ukraine!):
1808 The Duchy of Warsaw introduces civil registration of births, marriages, and deaths under Catholic supervision. Jews are recorded.
1813 Prussian law requires Jews to take fixed surnames.
1826 The Polish government requires all religions to keep their own registers of births, marriages, and deaths.
1827 Reinterpretation of Russia's Conscrip-tion Law mandates 31 years of military service for Jews, beginning at age 12, in another effort to assimilate the Jews.
1835 A strongly enforced Russian law requires Jews to take fixed surnames and register with the Crown Rabbinate.
1848 Revolutions and riots in Central Europe, especially Germany, spur increased Jewish immigration to America.
1861 Russian laws free the serfs. Russian Jews are gradually allowed to settle in villages outside the Pale.
1813 Prussian law requires Jews to take fixed surnames.
1826 The Polish government requires all religions to keep their own registers of births, marriages, and deaths.
1827 Reinterpretation of Russia's Conscrip-tion Law mandates 31 years of military service for Jews, beginning at age 12, in another effort to assimilate the Jews.
1835 A strongly enforced Russian law requires Jews to take fixed surnames and register with the Crown Rabbinate.
1848 Revolutions and riots in Central Europe, especially Germany, spur increased Jewish immigration to America.
1861 Russian laws free the serfs. Russian Jews are gradually allowed to settle in villages outside the Pale.
Also, our tree never goes back to Stefan Czarniecki--it would have if we were related to him.
So, I'm just saying--and as I've said before, my family chose to leave Lithuania, Belarus, and the Ukraine for Poland Proper in those days.
My own great-great-grandmother was Aleksjondria Alicja Andrulewiczówna Czernecka.
Her dad's family became Crypto Jews (Anusim) during the 1700s, but our generation may have reverted back for a time (I had Andrelovich and Andrulevich cousins in Lithuania and the Ukraine, respectfully.). We had a common relative named Aleksjondria Alicja (Daniłowiczówna, since that's the only way that Great-Great-Grandma would have ever listed her in-law mother as a relative at Ellis Island.). So, then, my great-grandaunt and two cousins were named the same (that is, Alexandria Alice) besides her (that, among other Ashkenazic Jewish customs, never went away when we became Anusim. In fact, at least one cousin was named "Regina Marie" for another great-grandaunt when my great-grandaunt was at the point of death--Regina Marie Yudiski, an Andrulewicz/Andruskiewicz, named for Regina Marie Czernecki, specifically. We did observe some Sephardic customs as well, though--e.g., naming for living relatives, since Aunt Mary was named for both of her grandmothers and not the Virgin Mary.).
Nickidewbear
16 Jan 2013
Genealogy / Seeking Czarniecki family members and ancestors from Lublin, also Margiewicz, Danilowicz and Andrulewicz [77]
There's also
Czerniecki coat of arms
heraldry.ws/html/czerniecki-poland.html
There is no shown Chernetski, Czernecki, Czarnecki, or Czarniecki CoA.
google.com/search?q=czarnecki+coat+of+arms&hl=en&safe=off&tbo=u&authuser=0&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=iff2UNCaBuSE0QH2v4D4Bw&sqi=2&ved=0CEEQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=600#hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&authuser=0&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=%22czarnecki+coat+of+arms%22&oq=%2 2czarnecki+coat+of+arms%22&gs_l=img.12...39687.42012.0.43882.2.2.0.0.0.0.56.106.2.2.0...0.0...1c.1.N3LckqAB6KU&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41018144,d.dmQ&fp=8ff181b22dbe1ed4&biw=1366&bih=600
(Note that some contain a six-pointed star).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Herb_Lodzia.jpg]Czarniecki
(This is to whom Pop-Pop tries to push us off to being related.)
google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=hp&gs_mss=czernecki%20coat&tok=IHQdlRRWrPrCqx25d7UMtA&pq=czernecki%20coat%20of%20arms&cp=1&gs_id=2g&xhr=t&q=%22czernecki+coat+of+arms%22&es_nrs=true&pf=p&s afe=off&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&oq=%22czernecki+coat+of+arms%22&gs_l=&pbx=1&fp=1&ion=1&biw=1366&bih=600&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&cad=b]
Notice that there is none.
I keep trying to tell you, we're Jewish.
One for "Margiewicz" has a six-pointed star, and none for Morgiewicz.
gajl.wielcy.pl/herby_nazwiska.php?lang=en&herb=Topor
- There are none for Andrulewicz or variants thereof.
- google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22danilowicz+coat+of+arms%22&oq=%22danilowicz+coat+of+arms%22&gs_l=hp.3..0i30.523.9511.1.9804.9.9.0.0.0.0.113.648.8j1.9.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.94FaJbUmO ZA&pbx=1&fp=1&ion=1&biw=1366&bih=600&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&cad=b
(can be Jewish).
So, even if we were nobles, we were sure Jewish ones.
There's also
Czerniecki coat of arms
heraldry.ws/html/czerniecki-poland.html
There is no shown Chernetski, Czernecki, Czarnecki, or Czarniecki CoA.
google.com/search?q=czarnecki+coat+of+arms&hl=en&safe=off&tbo=u&authuser=0&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=iff2UNCaBuSE0QH2v4D4Bw&sqi=2&ved=0CEEQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=600#hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&authuser=0&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=%22czarnecki+coat+of+arms%22&oq=%2 2czarnecki+coat+of+arms%22&gs_l=img.12...39687.42012.0.43882.2.2.0.0.0.0.56.106.2.2.0...0.0...1c.1.N3LckqAB6KU&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41018144,d.dmQ&fp=8ff181b22dbe1ed4&biw=1366&bih=600
(Note that some contain a six-pointed star).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Herb_Lodzia.jpg]Czarniecki
(This is to whom Pop-Pop tries to push us off to being related.)
google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=hp&gs_mss=czernecki%20coat&tok=IHQdlRRWrPrCqx25d7UMtA&pq=czernecki%20coat%20of%20arms&cp=1&gs_id=2g&xhr=t&q=%22czernecki+coat+of+arms%22&es_nrs=true&pf=p&s afe=off&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&oq=%22czernecki+coat+of+arms%22&gs_l=&pbx=1&fp=1&ion=1&biw=1366&bih=600&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&cad=b]
Notice that there is none.
I keep trying to tell you, we're Jewish.
One for "Margiewicz" has a six-pointed star, and none for Morgiewicz.
gajl.wielcy.pl/herby_nazwiska.php?lang=en&herb=Topor
- There are none for Andrulewicz or variants thereof.
- google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22danilowicz+coat+of+arms%22&oq=%22danilowicz+coat+of+arms%22&gs_l=hp.3..0i30.523.9511.1.9804.9.9.0.0.0.0.113.648.8j1.9.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.94FaJbUmO ZA&pbx=1&fp=1&ion=1&biw=1366&bih=600&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&cad=b
(can be Jewish).
So, even if we were nobles, we were sure Jewish ones.
Nickidewbear
16 Jan 2013
Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]
From Ancestry.com:
From Ancestry.com:
Maslowski Family History
Maslowski Name MeaningPolish (Maslowski) and Jewish (eastern Ashkenazic): habitational name for someone from places called Maslowo, Maslowice, or Maslów.
Maslowski Name MeaningPolish (Maslowski) and Jewish (eastern Ashkenazic): habitational name for someone from places called Maslowo, Maslowice, or Maslów.
Nickidewbear
13 Jan 2013
Genealogy / Seeking Czarniecki family members and ancestors from Lublin, also Margiewicz, Danilowicz and Andrulewicz [77]
Thank you so much. Was Andriulevièius (Andrulevièius) both Jewish and Catholic, or just Catholic? I ask because we're Jewish Andriulevièiuses (and our cousin Vil'gel'm lived in Buzhanka nad Zwenigorodka).
Thank you so much. Was Andriulevièius (Andrulevièius) both Jewish and Catholic, or just Catholic? I ask because we're Jewish Andriulevièiuses (and our cousin Vil'gel'm lived in Buzhanka nad Zwenigorodka).
Nickidewbear
9 Jan 2013
Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]
It can also, according to JewFAQ, be used as a common Jewish name.
It can also, according to JewFAQ, be used as a common Jewish name.
Nickidewbear
25 Dec 2012
History / Khazar migrations to Eastern Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine [106]
And we happen to be in that 5%--in our case, in the 52% of Ashkenazi Levites.
That's called Southwestern Asian DNA, not Khazar DNA.
And we happen to be in that 5%--in our case, in the 52% of Ashkenazi Levites.
My DNA is Q1b1a.
That's called Southwestern Asian DNA, not Khazar DNA.
Nickidewbear
27 Nov 2012
Nickidewbear
21 Nov 2012
History / Khazar migrations to Eastern Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine [106]
Khazaria.com has numerous articles and study citations, for example.
Khazaria.com has numerous articles and study citations, for example.
Nickidewbear
19 Nov 2012
History / Khazar migrations to Eastern Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine [106]
I figured...biased, Anti-Semitic current.com. European Jews are not Khazars, and numerous studies have shown that.
I figured...biased, Anti-Semitic current.com. European Jews are not Khazars, and numerous studies have shown that.
Nickidewbear
12 Nov 2012
Life / Why is circumcision not practiced in Poland? [701]
Avraham 'Avinu was uncircumcised, and he didn't have Yitzchak until after he underwent b'rit milah--think about that.
having foreskin makes intercourse less painful for the woman. I guess you mutilated chaps dont have any concept of that.
Avraham 'Avinu was uncircumcised, and he didn't have Yitzchak until after he underwent b'rit milah--think about that.
Nickidewbear
31 Oct 2012
Life / Blasphemy not OK in Poland! [54]
What on Earth? Read Romans 9-11.
but of course... just out of curiosity, are the non-messianic Jews sort of runner-ups or back-up Jews, if you will, in case the messianic ones go off, past their expiration date?
What on Earth? Read Romans 9-11.
Nickidewbear
31 Oct 2012
Life / Blasphemy not OK in Poland! [54]
Watch it! Jews, especially Messianic Jews, are G-d's chosen people.
PC is about creating new pet sacred cows (homosexuals, Jews)
Watch it! Jews, especially Messianic Jews, are G-d's chosen people.
Nickidewbear
23 Oct 2012
Love / Google: Polish women "easier" than English women - official! [52]
I'm guessing that he's an Anti-Messianic Jew from some of his previous posts and this one.
I'm guessing that he's an Anti-Messianic Jew from some of his previous posts and this one.
Nickidewbear
22 Sep 2012
Life / Which nations do Poles like the most / the least? [150]
I see that Israel's not up there. Sadly, Poland looks like she's moving toward a little Anti Semitism--and the Jews have loved Polinyah for centuries, even a millennium.
And Israel? Damn. We've been too good to Poland.
I see that Israel's not up there. Sadly, Poland looks like she's moving toward a little Anti Semitism--and the Jews have loved Polinyah for centuries, even a millennium.
...and whyy
And Israel? Damn. We've been too good to Poland.
Nickidewbear
13 Sep 2012
Language / -ski/-ska, -scy/ski, -wicz - Polish surnames help [185]
Could their family story have been similar to my great-great-grandparents' story? And, yes, there were Jewish communities in Grondo and Białystok.
Can anyone help break these names down?
Could their family story have been similar to my great-great-grandparents' story? And, yes, there were Jewish communities in Grondo and Białystok.
Nickidewbear
28 Aug 2012
Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]
What about Kohenic surnames of Polish origin and lettering? I know that there'd be obvious names like Kohenecki (Kohenetski--son of Aharon's female descendant), Aharonowicz (son of Aharon), and Kac (Katz--Kohan Tzedek). What about not-so-obvious names?
What about Kohenic surnames of Polish origin and lettering? I know that there'd be obvious names like Kohenecki (Kohenetski--son of Aharon's female descendant), Aharonowicz (son of Aharon), and Kac (Katz--Kohan Tzedek). What about not-so-obvious names?
Nickidewbear
21 Aug 2012
Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]
Thank you.
Interesting. Maybe you ought to contact the family on Ancestry.com and let them know--that's where I was even able to see the tree and the first place.
Thank you.
Interesting. Maybe you ought to contact the family on Ancestry.com and let them know--that's where I was even able to see the tree and the first place.
Nickidewbear
21 Aug 2012
Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]
The family tree is public except for the living family members. Tom was Eaton's son. They didn't specify a birthplace for Eaton, but just that he was born in 1835 and died in Alabama. Back to the surnames subject, though: what does Wyzkiewicz mean? My cousin was Halva Wyzkiewicz--his mom was Roza Foczkova Wykiewiczova. By the way, more on the Foczkos: our branch apparently had a Levite matriarch in it (hence, why we're Ashkenazi Jews and Levites on the Foczko side) and moved from Khazaria to Poland, then Slovakia and Hungary.
The family tree is public except for the living family members. Tom was Eaton's son. They didn't specify a birthplace for Eaton, but just that he was born in 1835 and died in Alabama. Back to the surnames subject, though: what does Wyzkiewicz mean? My cousin was Halva Wyzkiewicz--his mom was Roza Foczkova Wykiewiczova. By the way, more on the Foczkos: our branch apparently had a Levite matriarch in it (hence, why we're Ashkenazi Jews and Levites on the Foczko side) and moved from Khazaria to Poland, then Slovakia and Hungary.
Nickidewbear
24 Jul 2012
Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]
It could Jewish as well. See the "Czarnecki" thread that I posted for more on this.
HI , I am looking for the origin of my surname mother CZERWINSKY which I have been told is polish ... is this surname polish?
It could Jewish as well. See the "Czarnecki" thread that I posted for more on this.
Nickidewbear
16 Jul 2012
Genealogy / Common surnames in Poland NOT of Polish origin ? [87]
I have little to no idea about him.
I have little to no idea about him.
Nickidewbear
16 Jul 2012
Genealogy / Common surnames in Poland NOT of Polish origin ? [87]
Czarnecki. It may have been brought by Sephardic Jews from Spain. See my thread on this.
Czarnecki. It may have been brought by Sephardic Jews from Spain. See my thread on this.
Nickidewbear
15 Jul 2012
Genealogy / I have Jewish DNA, but only know of Polish ancestry . [120]
Thanks. They figured that being Catholic in an Anti-Semitic and Anti-Catholic America was (if you will) what would bring them less evil or tsores. They brought nothing from and sent nothing back to Poland. As Granduncle Tony stated:
Note how "[t]his DID NOT happen in our family" and "[t]here was not very much correspondence with the Polish family. Only an infrequent letter." Also note "All she ever brought back were photos that she took of the Polish Czarnecki's". They didn't mind the Wawrzyns, Catholics in of themselves; but Anusim like my family were better off considered dead as the meshumadim that they were.
Thanks. They figured that being Catholic in an Anti-Semitic and Anti-Catholic America was (if you will) what would bring them less evil or tsores. They brought nothing from and sent nothing back to Poland. As Granduncle Tony stated:
I never seen nor did anyone mention anything special brought from Poland. A friend from Sugar Notch, Mrs. Bertha Wawrzyn, visited Poland every few years to see her family and would visit the family while there. All she ever brought back were photos that she took of the Polish Czarnecki's (see earlier comments).
Note how "[t]his DID NOT happen in our family" and "[t]here was not very much correspondence with the Polish family. Only an infrequent letter." Also note "All she ever brought back were photos that she took of the Polish Czarnecki's". They didn't mind the Wawrzyns, Catholics in of themselves; but Anusim like my family were better off considered dead as the meshumadim that they were.
Nickidewbear
15 Jul 2012
Language / -ski/-ska, -scy/ski, -wicz - Polish surnames help [185]
The way that he's going about it is what I don't like. Besides, I know the whole story about us being "noble"--I've heard it from my lying granddad before.
why ignore someone who has done their research and is sending you interesting information?
because it does not agree with what u think?
because it does not agree with what u think?
The way that he's going about it is what I don't like. Besides, I know the whole story about us being "noble"--I've heard it from my lying granddad before.
Nickidewbear
15 Jul 2012
Genealogy / I have Jewish DNA, but only know of Polish ancestry . [120]
It was back then. And they were Jews who posed as Catholics. And I did not make any of this up.
When you say "crypto-jewish catholics" do you mean they posed as catholics but were really Jews or that they posed as jews but were really catholics? This was in America? Sounds odd. In America I think it's not dangerous to be either a catholic or a jew.
It was back then. And they were Jews who posed as Catholics. And I did not make any of this up.
Nickidewbear
14 Jul 2012
Language / -ski/-ska, -scy/ski, -wicz - Polish surnames help [185]
This is why you're on my ignore list, boletus. First of all, "Adam" and "Daniło", as well as "Jakub" among other names (e.g., Stefan), come directly from the Hebrew and other languages in the Bible. Secondly, I said that I couldn't find the original source; and yet, you resort to flank attacks and accuse me of being stupid or a liar. Thirdly, many Jews took or created Polish and other non-Hebrew surnames in the Diaspora.
This is why you're on my ignore list, boletus. First of all, "Adam" and "Daniło", as well as "Jakub" among other names (e.g., Stefan), come directly from the Hebrew and other languages in the Bible. Secondly, I said that I couldn't find the original source; and yet, you resort to flank attacks and accuse me of being stupid or a liar. Thirdly, many Jews took or created Polish and other non-Hebrew surnames in the Diaspora.
Nickidewbear
14 Jul 2012
Language / -ski/-ska, -scy/ski, -wicz - Polish surnames help [185]
It wasn't that source, but maybe that's just one more source that proves my point.
Not us. We owned a farm in Lipsk, and Jewish non-nobles would've never married gentile nobles. The Andrulewiczes and Morgiewiczes married Chernetskis and Danilowiczes.
It wasn't that source, but maybe that's just one more source that proves my point.
hmmm... I think this 'owicz" suggested rather town dwellers [like -in Sebastian Klonowic/z] , if joined with first name for example: Bogdanowicz
Not us. We owned a farm in Lipsk, and Jewish non-nobles would've never married gentile nobles. The Andrulewiczes and Morgiewiczes married Chernetskis and Danilowiczes.
Nickidewbear
13 Jul 2012
Genealogy / I have Jewish DNA, but only know of Polish ancestry . [120]
Who else would kick them off? And anyway, that's not the point of this thread.
Why would they be kicked off their farm once they became Catholic? Doesn't make sense, unless, it was other (unconverted) family members who kicked them out... Who did that? I'm just curious, because your story is quite interesting and detailed in some places, but in other places I cannot logically piece the info together.
Who else would kick them off? And anyway, that's not the point of this thread.
Nickidewbear
12 Jul 2012
Language / -ski/-ska, -scy/ski, -wicz - Polish surnames help [185]
We are Jewish "-wicz"es and "-ski"s, far from noble (though as I've mentioned, Pop-Pop likes to claim otherwise)--ChernetSKI, DaniłOWICZ, MorgieWICZ, AndruleWICZ. "-owicz" is key because "-owicz" (at least when compared to "-czyk") was meant to denote Jewishness (I can't find the source, though--argh!).
We are Jewish "-wicz"es and "-ski"s, far from noble (though as I've mentioned, Pop-Pop likes to claim otherwise)--ChernetSKI, DaniłOWICZ, MorgieWICZ, AndruleWICZ. "-owicz" is key because "-owicz" (at least when compared to "-czyk") was meant to denote Jewishness (I can't find the source, though--argh!).
Nickidewbear
10 Jul 2012
Genealogy / I have Jewish DNA, but only know of Polish ancestry . [120]
Your story is similar to mine. The Andrulewiczes (Andruleviches), Morgiewiczes (Margiewiczes), Daniłowiczes, and Chernetskis were and are Jews. The Chernetskis from a farm in Lipsk nad Biebrzą married into the Daniłowicz family from Krasne when "Antoni" (real name unknown) Chernetski married "Katarzyna" Daniłowicz (real name unknown). Aleksjondria Andrulewicz Chernetski, when she married "Antoni"'s and "Katarzyna"'s son Julian, concocted the names for both sets of parents (that is, "Antoni Czarniecki" and "Antoni" Andrulewicz, and "Katarzyna Margiewicz" and "Katarzyna" Daniłowicz). She concocted these for at least their (that is, her and Julian's) respective death certificates and because they converted to Catholicism. Whether Aleksjondria and Julian were also concocted because of their conversion, I do not know. However, she also certainly concocted "Antoni" (Anthony) for my great-granddad born in Cumań, Wołyń on October 23 or 24, 1904--Saint Anthony Mary Claret has his feast day on October 24, and she was smart and perhaps even literate enough at the time to know about him. Besides, her cousin Vil'gel'm Andrulevich was able to vote.
They converted to Catholicism and were swiftly kicked off of the family farm in Lipsk. Living as Crypto-Jewish Catholics in America, they established a new life. So, to answer your question, it had less to do with (if any) intermarriage and more about Crypto Judaism.
Hello, I did a DNA test that reveals Askenazic Jewish DNA, but I alway thought I was Polish American. My Polish Family comes from Suwalki area. These are names in family tree Waszkiewicz, Alboszta, Turkiewicz, Fillpowicz and Pawlowske. Are any of these names Jewish? Also, did Jews and Catholics ever intermarry over a 100 years ago?
Thanks, E. Sinykin
Thanks, E. Sinykin
Your story is similar to mine. The Andrulewiczes (Andruleviches), Morgiewiczes (Margiewiczes), Daniłowiczes, and Chernetskis were and are Jews. The Chernetskis from a farm in Lipsk nad Biebrzą married into the Daniłowicz family from Krasne when "Antoni" (real name unknown) Chernetski married "Katarzyna" Daniłowicz (real name unknown). Aleksjondria Andrulewicz Chernetski, when she married "Antoni"'s and "Katarzyna"'s son Julian, concocted the names for both sets of parents (that is, "Antoni Czarniecki" and "Antoni" Andrulewicz, and "Katarzyna Margiewicz" and "Katarzyna" Daniłowicz). She concocted these for at least their (that is, her and Julian's) respective death certificates and because they converted to Catholicism. Whether Aleksjondria and Julian were also concocted because of their conversion, I do not know. However, she also certainly concocted "Antoni" (Anthony) for my great-granddad born in Cumań, Wołyń on October 23 or 24, 1904--Saint Anthony Mary Claret has his feast day on October 24, and she was smart and perhaps even literate enough at the time to know about him. Besides, her cousin Vil'gel'm Andrulevich was able to vote.
They converted to Catholicism and were swiftly kicked off of the family farm in Lipsk. Living as Crypto-Jewish Catholics in America, they established a new life. So, to answer your question, it had less to do with (if any) intermarriage and more about Crypto Judaism.