Teffle
16 Jan 2011
UK, Ireland / Polish and Irish people are related? [137]
I don't know - it's restricted ; )
do you have any idea what may be the restrictions of freedom of press in Ireland?
I don't know - it's restricted ; )
Teffle
16 Jan 2011
UK, Ireland / Polish and Irish people are related? [137]
Either you accept the rankings or you don't - if you don't, fair enough, there is no point talking about it. If you do, you therefore have to accept that there are some issues with press freedom in Poland, relative to the countries above. Simple as that.
No we don't know the exact reasons but since the ranking concerns "press freedom" I think we can all take a wild guess that it just might involve how free (or not) the press is - what do you think?
It doesn't matter what the precise reasons are and it doesn't matter whether or not they are given really if it all amounts to the same thing - less press freedom.
...therefore, they can't say what they want. Same thing. Unless every paper gets sued every day of the week? No, of course not. So they are restricted.
I don't know why you are making this more complicated when it is very simple.
What do you mean?
Either you accept the rankings or you don't - if you don't, fair enough, there is no point talking about it. If you do, you therefore have to accept that there are some issues with press freedom in Poland, relative to the countries above. Simple as that.
No we don't know the exact reasons but since the ranking concerns "press freedom" I think we can all take a wild guess that it just might involve how free (or not) the press is - what do you think?
It doesn't matter what the precise reasons are and it doesn't matter whether or not they are given really if it all amounts to the same thing - less press freedom.
They could, for example, publish whatever they want, but some politicians could sue the newspaper for that, or something.
...therefore, they can't say what they want. Same thing. Unless every paper gets sued every day of the week? No, of course not. So they are restricted.
I don't know why you are making this more complicated when it is very simple.
Teffle
16 Jan 2011
UK, Ireland / Polish and Irish people are related? [137]
And? So what?
It's not even relevant.
Of course - so what's your guess as to why Poland has less press freedom than the countries that are ranked higher? How can it possibly be anything other than they are less free to print what they want?
You have a strange attitude.
... but not for Poland.
And? So what?
No, I wrote this because your "expert tone" seemed to me a bit arrogant and funny, because I was pretty sure you have no idea how Polish press and TV looks like :)
It's not even relevant.
He's mainly guessing based on the ranking.
Of course - so what's your guess as to why Poland has less press freedom than the countries that are ranked higher? How can it possibly be anything other than they are less free to print what they want?
You have a strange attitude.
Teffle
16 Jan 2011
UK, Ireland / Polish and Irish people are related? [137]
Press freedom rankings - as the above link.
Obviously I don't know the processes at work or how they work but the rankings exist for a reason. The press is more restricted in some shape or form in Poland than it is in Ireland - unless you have reason not to believe the ranking that is.
I am not entirely sure where you got that idea from.
Press freedom rankings - as the above link.
Obviously I don't know the processes at work or how they work but the rankings exist for a reason. The press is more restricted in some shape or form in Poland than it is in Ireland - unless you have reason not to believe the ranking that is.
Teffle
16 Jan 2011
UK, Ireland / Polish and Irish people are related? [137]
I thought I had - but, put it this way then:
If a paper in e.g. Finland or The Netherlands wants to print controversial opinions W,X,Y & Z about e.g. the government, then usually it can with very little repurcussions or censorship.
In Ireland, maybe they can say X, Y & Z, in Poland maybe just Y & Z.
The church and governement are just examples - it could be any number of subjects.
I'm not saying the Polish press cannot criticize at all and that their lips are sealed or something but there are obviously things that they cannot say - hence the ranking.
You may read critical pieces - but there is more that should be said, but cannot be.
Maybe this is why you said:
Well... Then explain (if you want to)?
I thought I had - but, put it this way then:
If a paper in e.g. Finland or The Netherlands wants to print controversial opinions W,X,Y & Z about e.g. the government, then usually it can with very little repurcussions or censorship.
In Ireland, maybe they can say X, Y & Z, in Poland maybe just Y & Z.
The church and governement are just examples - it could be any number of subjects.
I'm not saying the Polish press cannot criticize at all and that their lips are sealed or something but there are obviously things that they cannot say - hence the ranking.
You may read critical pieces - but there is more that should be said, but cannot be.
Maybe this is why you said:
LOL
Sorry, I couldn't help it for some reason ;)
Sorry, I couldn't help it for some reason ;)
Teffle
16 Jan 2011
UK, Ireland / Polish and Irish people are related? [137]
I don't think you understand what I'm saying Paulina.
Negative things to say about anything? Are you sure? On what do you base your opinion?
I don't think you understand what I'm saying Paulina.
Teffle
16 Jan 2011
UK, Ireland / Polish and Irish people are related? [137]
Exactly. You misunderstand me. I'm just saying that if there are negatives things to say about the church (or indeed anything - the church is just the example for now) in Poland they may not necessarily always be published.
But yes, there is an upward trend in press freedom in Poland.
I think it's more about state/press.
Exactly. You misunderstand me. I'm just saying that if there are negatives things to say about the church (or indeed anything - the church is just the example for now) in Poland they may not necessarily always be published.
But yes, there is an upward trend in press freedom in Poland.
Teffle
16 Jan 2011
UK, Ireland / Polish and Irish people are related? [137]
Can you elaborate maybe?
en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2010,1034.html
That is BS
Can you elaborate maybe?
en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2010,1034.html
Teffle
14 Jan 2011
UK, Ireland / Polish and Irish people are related? [137]
Oh, OK thanks.
Jim has probably lost interest though : (
Oh, OK thanks.
Jim has probably lost interest though : (
Teffle
13 Jan 2011
UK, Ireland / Polish and Irish people are related? [137]
Maybe not historically but google "church influence in Polish politics" and have a look.
Anyway, sorry again jim1937 - I'll leave the tangent at that.
Didn't realise there was a horse thing with the Polish - is there?
Maybe not historically but google "church influence in Polish politics" and have a look.
Anyway, sorry again jim1937 - I'll leave the tangent at that.
literature, music, church, and are tops when it comes to horses and alcohol.
Didn't realise there was a horse thing with the Polish - is there?
Teffle
13 Jan 2011
UK, Ireland / Polish and Irish people are related? [137]
Ah c'mon - twisted interpretations of anything and everything have been used to justify all and sundry since the beginning of time!
As do I - and as does everyone I know.
Maybe one difference too is that church/state are linked in Ireland, theoretically, but in practice, not a lot of influence is exerted or is successful these days. Whereas in Poland, theorectically, church and state are separate but in practice the church has a disproportionate amount of power and influence?
Now Pakistan and a group of Islamic states (the Organization of Islamic Conference, or "OIC") is using the language of the Irish blasphemy law to press the UN Ad .
Ah c'mon - twisted interpretations of anything and everything have been used to justify all and sundry since the beginning of time!
I just like the church being out of parliament.
As do I - and as does everyone I know.
Maybe one difference too is that church/state are linked in Ireland, theoretically, but in practice, not a lot of influence is exerted or is successful these days. Whereas in Poland, theorectically, church and state are separate but in practice the church has a disproportionate amount of power and influence?
Teffle
13 Jan 2011
UK, Ireland / Polish and Irish people are related? [137]
But it's not a case of "letting" though - it's more just lazy and ineffectual governement don't you think? It's not like the governemnt - and certainly not the people - are simply OK with it.
There have been lobbies to e.g. have the papal nuncio expelled and the vatican regarded as a hostile state in relation to all of this. Unlikely to happen of course, but it's not a situation that has been just "accepted"
Oh I know. It's a joke. But in reality, what will happen?
I know it's not the way to look at it, it's the principle, but as an illustration, to be a godparent in a church christening in Ireland it's as easy as buying bread - try it in Poland and it's a different story altogether. The same proof of good character, references, solemnity theoretically is supposed to be the same in Ireland but it just isn't.
That's kind of my point - in theory certain conservatism applies, in practice it's anything goes.
Anyway, sorry a bit of a thread hijack.
Attempting to influence is a far stretch from Ireland's Government letting the church deal with the sexual assault allegations by themselves.
But it's not a case of "letting" though - it's more just lazy and ineffectual governement don't you think? It's not like the governemnt - and certainly not the people - are simply OK with it.
There have been lobbies to e.g. have the papal nuncio expelled and the vatican regarded as a hostile state in relation to all of this. Unlikely to happen of course, but it's not a situation that has been just "accepted"
But the church can introduce a Blasphemy law in ireland, without protest
Oh I know. It's a joke. But in reality, what will happen?
I know it's not the way to look at it, it's the principle, but as an illustration, to be a godparent in a church christening in Ireland it's as easy as buying bread - try it in Poland and it's a different story altogether. The same proof of good character, references, solemnity theoretically is supposed to be the same in Ireland but it just isn't.
That's kind of my point - in theory certain conservatism applies, in practice it's anything goes.
Anyway, sorry a bit of a thread hijack.
Teffle
13 Jan 2011
UK, Ireland / Polish and Irish people are related? [137]
Is any catholic country really much different?
As regards church/state, don't forget, Irish media is one of the most free in the world - in comparison, Polish media is fairly restricted. Anything and everything negative about the church in Ireland will be publicised but this is not necessarily the case in Poland.
Another thing is, what it says on paper and what happens in practice is often very different in Ireland e.g. in a supposedly traditional/conservative country we had female presidents, openly gay politicians etc.
I would be surprised if there wasn't the same degree of chuch influence in Polish politics - wasn't there something recently about bishops attempting to influence national governement?
According to the Poles I know, outside of the cities, in Poland the local priest is still a quite powerful figure and regularly "meddles" in local politics, family life etc.
In fact come to think of it, for at least a few of the Poles I know personally, "conservative" or "traditional" would be regarded as badges of honour really - "liberal" is a bit of a dirty word for them. Be honest, you can see it often on this very site!
This attitude would be in direct contrast to the majority of Irish people I know.
Catholic schools (what % are anything else?), uniforms, the Church wanting to "deal with the sexual assault charges themselves".
Is any catholic country really much different?
As regards church/state, don't forget, Irish media is one of the most free in the world - in comparison, Polish media is fairly restricted. Anything and everything negative about the church in Ireland will be publicised but this is not necessarily the case in Poland.
Another thing is, what it says on paper and what happens in practice is often very different in Ireland e.g. in a supposedly traditional/conservative country we had female presidents, openly gay politicians etc.
I would be surprised if there wasn't the same degree of chuch influence in Polish politics - wasn't there something recently about bishops attempting to influence national governement?
According to the Poles I know, outside of the cities, in Poland the local priest is still a quite powerful figure and regularly "meddles" in local politics, family life etc.
In fact come to think of it, for at least a few of the Poles I know personally, "conservative" or "traditional" would be regarded as badges of honour really - "liberal" is a bit of a dirty word for them. Be honest, you can see it often on this very site!
This attitude would be in direct contrast to the majority of Irish people I know.
Teffle
13 Jan 2011
UK, Ireland / Polish and Irish people are related? [137]
Wow - I'm surprised at that. Depends on the region though I suppose. E.g. someone in a village in Roscommon is likely to be more traditional or conservative than someone from Gdansk.
Conservative in what way - can you give examples?
But I have to say (and I roughly agree with the OP by the way in terms of an affinity if not literally shared DNA) that based on the Poles I have met, and their families, that Poles are more conservative on average.
Now when I return to Ireland, I find people generally more conservative than Poles.
Wow - I'm surprised at that. Depends on the region though I suppose. E.g. someone in a village in Roscommon is likely to be more traditional or conservative than someone from Gdansk.
Conservative in what way - can you give examples?
But I have to say (and I roughly agree with the OP by the way in terms of an affinity if not literally shared DNA) that based on the Poles I have met, and their families, that Poles are more conservative on average.
Teffle
13 Jan 2011
Language / Differences in Polish and English idioms [69]
Would that be "cats n' dugs" or the "pishing" part?
I also use a "Glasgow University" accent while saying it.
Would that be "cats n' dugs" or the "pishing" part?
Teffle
12 Jan 2011
Language / Differences in Polish and English idioms [69]
; )
Funny enough I don't really say that. Not that I'm averse to using the word generally mind you. I think my default is usually "lashing"
I use it, but only if I am trying to be amusing by using an out of date idiom...
; )
Plus, it's nicer than saying it's pishing down, no?
Funny enough I don't really say that. Not that I'm averse to using the word generally mind you. I think my default is usually "lashing"
Teffle
12 Jan 2011
Life / Walking on other people's property in Poland - cultural difference? [51]
Bizarre thread. Rude to walk over someone elses property anywhere regardless of language or culture. Basic common sense really.
Bizarre thread. Rude to walk over someone elses property anywhere regardless of language or culture. Basic common sense really.
Teffle
11 Jan 2011
Food / Traditional Polish Soups. [85]
Wow. Ok - I must know alot of of poor or lazy cooks then : )
Most of them, if done properly
Wow. Ok - I must know alot of of poor or lazy cooks then : )
Teffle
11 Jan 2011
Food / Traditional Polish Soups. [85]
Sorry, I really don't get Polish soups. They are all too thin and seem to me to taste exactly of their ingredients and nothing more. For me soups should be more then the sum of their parts. And should be thicker - although I understand that this is regarded as soup for sick people or children in Poland for some reason?
To me Polish "soup" is actually not soup, but broth - which is different.
Are there any thicker soups in Poland?
Sorry, I really don't get Polish soups. They are all too thin and seem to me to taste exactly of their ingredients and nothing more. For me soups should be more then the sum of their parts. And should be thicker - although I understand that this is regarded as soup for sick people or children in Poland for some reason?
To me Polish "soup" is actually not soup, but broth - which is different.
Are there any thicker soups in Poland?
Teffle
10 Jan 2011
Food / Is brain-damaging vegan fad growing in Poland? [176]
Ha Ha - you know what I mean!
35 is premature by any standard I would think though!
Iron and B vitamins in particular are what veggies need to be careful about. Marmite or Vegemite are very useful in a meat-free diet.
Protein should not be an issue unless they are very careless with their diet.
But what is a "premature" heart attack;)? If I'm 66 years old (no matter the diet) - is it the right time to have a heart attack? ;)
Ha Ha - you know what I mean!
35 is premature by any standard I would think though!
Iron and B vitamins in particular are what veggies need to be careful about. Marmite or Vegemite are very useful in a meat-free diet.
Protein should not be an issue unless they are very careless with their diet.
Teffle
10 Jan 2011
Food / Is brain-damaging vegan fad growing in Poland? [176]
You can easily get enough protein and iron (if that's whatt you're saying) from a vegetarian diet. More care is needed but it can be done - no room for fussy eaters in vegetarianism either.
Well maybe he was a vegetarian with a poor diet? They exist, just as meat eaters with poor diets exist. How many regular consumers of animal fat have premature heart attacks? A good deal more than vegetarians anyway I'll warrant.
If you seat at home and seep tea all the time I think you can survive on fruits alone, for a time at least. But good luck working in mines, or trying to grow some decent muscles in a gym.
You can easily get enough protein and iron (if that's whatt you're saying) from a vegetarian diet. More care is needed but it can be done - no room for fussy eaters in vegetarianism either.
I've never met healthy looking vegetarians and Poland is no exception. The ones I've ever met all looked like zombies or even worse. That's really scary.
My now neighbour changed his mind about his vegetarianism after experiencing near heart attack at the age of 35.
My now neighbour changed his mind about his vegetarianism after experiencing near heart attack at the age of 35.
Well maybe he was a vegetarian with a poor diet? They exist, just as meat eaters with poor diets exist. How many regular consumers of animal fat have premature heart attacks? A good deal more than vegetarians anyway I'll warrant.
Teffle
24 Dec 2010
Life / Babcia or Busha - any social class difference? [359]
Just a point on this: whatever about Polak or Polack, unless I'm missing something, pollock is unrelated - in fact in English, it's a fish !!
Not directing at you Kondzior - I've seen it a lot on PF.
Maybe it's an alternative reference to Poles but it seems strange.
Just a point on this: whatever about Polak or Polack, unless I'm missing something, pollock is unrelated - in fact in English, it's a fish !!
Not directing at you Kondzior - I've seen it a lot on PF.
Maybe it's an alternative reference to Poles but it seems strange.
Teffle
23 Dec 2010
News / A devestating verdict on the Polish church [279]
I agree.
I suspect such a move would gain huge respect from all but the loony branches.
I agree.
Teffle
23 Dec 2010
Life / Stubborn Polaks, anyone knows? [77]
A lot of "real" Irish people would struggle too to be honest !
None know a word in Gaelic
A lot of "real" Irish people would struggle too to be honest !
Teffle
22 Dec 2010
Life / Stubborn Polaks, anyone knows? [77]
I would be bothered to an extent - and on occasion. Most I know would too.
But it depends on how or why it's said really, context etc.
I would be bothered to an extent - and on occasion. Most I know would too.
But it depends on how or why it's said really, context etc.
Teffle
20 Dec 2010
Life / Babcia or Busha - any social class difference? [359]
Or worse "well the reason I enjoy fags is that I like to have something in my mouth"
A not impossible thing for an Irish/British english speaker to say : )
He he, that's for sure! :-)
Or worse "well the reason I enjoy fags is that I like to have something in my mouth"
A not impossible thing for an Irish/British english speaker to say : )
Teffle
20 Dec 2010
Language / Differences in Polish and English idioms [69]
Yeah, we actually say Chinese in English too sometimes : )
Chineese (Dla mnie to chińszczyzna)
Yeah, we actually say Chinese in English too sometimes : )
Teffle
20 Dec 2010
Food / Origin of the pierogi [118]
Don't know about anyone else but to me, pierogi is like dumplings but made wrongly - with something missing or not cooked properly or something : )
As Mafketis says, pierogi-like things are found practically everywhere.
Don't know about anyone else but to me, pierogi is like dumplings but made wrongly - with something missing or not cooked properly or something : )
As Mafketis says, pierogi-like things are found practically everywhere.
Teffle
17 Dec 2010
Life / Rate Poland (Life Quality / Culture and People / Food): 1-10! [232]
Oh No.
Not the "more natural" thing again.
How many times??
Jesus - Polish sausages/hams etc are full of preservatives, salt, water.
What on earth makes you think they aren't?
doesn't have preservatives
Oh No.
Not the "more natural" thing again.
How many times??
Jesus - Polish sausages/hams etc are full of preservatives, salt, water.
What on earth makes you think they aren't?
Teffle
17 Dec 2010
Food / Is brain-damaging vegan fad growing in Poland? [176]
Right.
I think we need a few reputable links on this don't you?
Young people on vegan diets often go bonkers because they are starving their brain of necessary nutrients?
Right.
I think we need a few reputable links on this don't you?