News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1158]


Germany doesn't have a constitution but a 'Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany'.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Law_for_the_Federal_Republic_of_Germany

"The term "constitution" (Verfassung) was avoided (...) expecting that an eventual reunified Germany would adopt a proper constitution.
(...)enacted under the provisions of Article 146 of the Grundgesetz, which stipulates that such a constitution must be "freely adopted by the German people".
Nevertheless (...) it was never submitted to a popular vote, neither in 1949 nor in 1990.

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1158]

@pawian, Just admit it that you couldn't find any English source claiming otherwise so you had to stoop down for TVN24 :-)

All I can ready there is "what's good and allowed for Germany is not good nor allowed for Poland..."

And now my part: "...because Germany is such an old democracy which was built on the legal foundations of the IIIrd Reich and without its own constitution" :-)

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1158]


@pawian, you're so naive.

It's not as simple as that. It can be easily be used as a political weapon, for which it was created.

The whole document is full of unprecise and ambiguous terms:

Paragraph 2a:

"Member States' laws and practices should continue to comply with the common values on which the Union is founded"

europarl.europa.eu/meetdocs/2014_2019/plmrep/COMMITTEES/BUDG/DV/2020/11-12/RuleofLaw-Draftconsolidatedtext_rev_EN.pdf

And what are the 'EU common values' and who determines them? It is NOT a legal paper but a chaotic political manifesto of some sort.

But hey, they are sending us to paragraph 2 give them a chance to shed some light on it:

"accountable and democratic process for enacting law, legal certainty3, prohibition of arbitrariness of the executive powers4, separation of powers5"

It's all well and fine. But then I remembered that the German judiciary system is highly political (did I mention already that good memory and logical thinking are the worst enemies of liberal democracy?):

"Lay judges (Schöffen) are effectively short-term, politically appointed, non-professional judges (...) Given the high threshold for inclusion on the municipal council lists, in practice these lists are first compiled by municipal bureaucracies and the political parties in Germany"

"Selection of lay judges has been described as a "highly political and discriminatory process."[12] It has been argued that personal acquaintance, political affiliation and occupation have all historically played an important, if publicly unacknowledged, role in the selection procedure"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judiciary_of_Germany

It also needs to be noted that the "impartial" European Council which will be deciding about "the rule of law" is run by politicians, not by judges.

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]

The perfect situation would be if PiS become weak enough to not be able to form a government without making a coalition with other political parties but also strong enough to not let the "total opposition" to take over the parliament in the next term.

In such a situation, Konfederacja would consider helping them to form a new government under certain conditions such as: lowering taxes, lexing gun laws, taming beaurocracy and more*

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederation_Liberty_and_Independence#Platform

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [957]

Which would be a very good move. This whole "recovery fund" based on unprecedented Common EU Debt(!) is the worst thing that can happen. It's just another big step towards the federalization of the EU.

News / 11th November Independence Day in Poland [71]

Ditto

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I feel for you, Lazarus, for thinking that people celebrating Independence Day are "fascists". Mainstream media and political correctness have already made a goo out of your brain.

Just out of curiosity: do you believe it or are just repeating it because you think that's a smart thing to say since smartly dressed men said in TV news?

News / 11th November Independence Day in Poland [71]


Define "many". Certainly enough to put it on a photo collage and call it "so many". I can assure you that I could make such a photo compilation from virtually any [white] country in the world. And in some of them, like modern Germany, it would be a real problem and not blown-up sensationalism.

I'm not denying there are some collectivists in Poland, and the most retarded of them are fans of nazism or communism, but they are a small margin.

I expected more critical thinking from you.

News / 11th November Independence Day in Poland [71]

@mafketis, let's wait for the end of an investigation, shall we.

Those pesky individuals, like me, who do have a bit better memory (fortunately most people forget things quite quickly or the democracy wouldn't 'work' at all) remember the infamous incident of setting a fire near the Russian embassy during Independence March in 2013. As we know now it was an MSW provocation.

rmf24.pl/fakty/polska/news-spalenie-budki-przy-ambasadzie-rosji-umorzono-sledztwo,nId,3221083

News / 11th November Independence Day in Poland [71]


That's the right answer, but the wrong date. That should be said right after pro-abortionist, feminist and antifa marches a week ago with protesters actively engaging in attacks on Churches. They have also sprayed the monument of Polish-Hungarian brotherhood.

News / 11th November Independence Day in Poland [71]

There's a live stream on yt:

youtube.com/watch?v=gH7LA8yk6sU&feature=emb_title&ab_channel=MediaNarodowe

History / Do Polish people in general dislike Russia or Germany more? [369]


Exactly. I'm not hating the people per se but I'm rather being put off by their national collective mindset which often turns virtues into vices. There are plenty of Polish [Polonized] Germans which I like and respect, starting with Slawomir Mentzen from Konfederacja down to an actor Tomasz Schuchardt.

I think Germans gain many new positive values in the act of Polonization (and keeping some of their distinctive mental features at the same time).

History / Do Polish people in general dislike Russia or Germany more? [369]


I would say it's the other way around

"Polabian Slavs is a collective term applied to a number of Lechitic (West Slavic) tribes who lived along the Elbe river in what is today Eastern Germany. (...)

The Polabian Slavs started settling in the territory of modern Germany in the 6th century. They were largely conquered by Saxons and Danes since the 9th century and were subsequently included and gradually assimilated within the Holy Roman Empire."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polabian_Slavs

Your heart is pumping Slavonic blood into your Germanized head @BratwurstBoy :-)

News / New "Polish memorial" in Berlin [316]


With cost 2.5 times over the initial budget and opening date 9 years after the schedule you can tell that Ossies have built it :-)

And it's ready just in time for the biggest flight industry crisis in history. Vorsprung durch technik, in it? ;-)

News / New "Polish memorial" in Berlin [316]

Better late than never.

The next step should be proclaiming Poles an officially recognized minority in Germany like they were before WWII. Let's revert that nazi law which banished it.

dw.com/en/row-over-status-of-poles-in-germany-sours-relations/a-15066030

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Sure..

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News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

@mafketis a general opinion in Konfederacja is that the problem of a eugenic abortion and lethal defects of the fetus are two different things that should be treated separately.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


True, he is a politician of older date and will never attract young voters. Past attempts to do so, like with an anti-fur law or tik-tok presence, were grotesque.


What exactly do you mean by that?


Let me quote a French XIX socialist Amand Bazar on that: "[to provide] each ability according to its merits"

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

It's just a source. Check those facts in other sources to confirm it. I'm not going to do all the heavy lifting for you all the time.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


fivefeetoffury.com/2015/01/22/stalin-championed-the-idea-that-all-of-his-political-opponents-should-be-dubbed-fascists/

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


If you take a closer look will surely recognize him as a model democrat:

- in the USSR there was only one valid party to vote for that is Communists (Socialists)

- all the other political options, especially those on the right, were called "fascists"

- he also believed that capitalism is bad and provided substantial aid (especially in form of AK47 and RPG7) to third world countries :-)

Clearly, that's where the Western liberal democracy is heading.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


We, the people :-)

You see @Atch, with such statements you contribute to the normalization of terms like "fascists" or "nazi".
Nowadays everyone on the internet who doesn't agree with another person is suddenly a 'nazi' or at least a 'fascist'. And obviously, politicians who are not politically correct enough.

Nota bene, Joseph Stalin, a great liberal democrat from the USSR, was an avid proponent of the term 'fascist' and he called almost every group of people opposing communist rule a 'fascists', including Polish Home Army who has fought with Germans in WWII.

And remember that the court/media/education (you name it) purges were done by the communists in Poland, not 'fascists'. Many of those commie nominated judges were and still are, placed on prominent positions in the judicial system and in academia. And some of them have indeed been purged quite recently

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


What fascists are we talking about? Have they traveled in time and space and moved from 30's Italy to modern Poland?

All in all, with all those new pro-abortion riots I'm kind of relieved that we've moved away from the "pandemic" hysteria which was a dominant [and universally enforced] topic #1 in most mass media for the last 8 months.

Any, even the most unrest, socio-political situation is better than a submissive dust-masked mob repeating coronaflu mantra and following more and more stupid instructions coming from WHO and the ministry of health.

Go out on the streets, protest in a civilized manner if you like so (don't count on me here though), don't keep the "social distance", just live like a free man (or a woman), not a slave.

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1158]


All in all, that's the same thing. It seems that you only feel safe when submitted to someone else's will and when some external force tells you what to do. Until the whole generation who was raised in the communist-era go away, we will not have 100% sovereignty. Fortunately the young will take over pretty soon, that inevitable.

I prefer Poland to be backed by Poland first and foremost. We don't need foreign pseudo-values and it doesn't matter whether they would come from the EU core, Russia, the middle east, or any other place. And we can collaborate with those who share our traditional Polish core values ie. Christianity/Catholicism, freedom, individualism, voluntarism, family and moral values, and so on.

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1158]


I'm not saying that they should stop. Germans have an advantage and are using it in their own interest, which in most cases is not in the best long-term interest of Poland.

I'm simply stating that we should be:
a) aware of it
b) realize that it is not the best long-term option for Poland
c) take an action to neutralize it or at to least minimize it

There's nothing irrational or unpragmatic about it. Quite on the contrary

PS: Look how Germany is reacting to the Nord Stream II sanctions and American involvement. There are some valuable lessons to be learned from it.

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1158]

@Ironside I'm not here to solve the problem but to shed some light on. It's a discussion forum not a political cabinet after all.

And remember that it is not only up to politicians to make those changes but also to citizens. Small things like consumer patriotism* and donating funds to the right causes and pro-Polish media goes a long way.

Not to mention that more aware society puts more pressure on the government and demands more ambitious goals to be set and followed.

play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=pl.pola_app

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1158]


First, you need to get to the core of the problem, the issues at hand are symptoms of it. Strike the core and you'll eliminate the multiple issues at hand instead of chasing them like rabbits.


In my opinion, Konfederacja will do much better in the future, but I have to be fair with PiS.

Immigration has started after 2004 and it was caused mainly by the high unemployment rate in Poland at that time. It doesn't have a lot to do with a current government. Right now the unemployment rate in Poland is one of the lowest in the EU next to Germany and the Czech Rep.

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1158]


It's not so much of a conspiracy plot but rather a pragmatic approach in keeping a desirable, from a German perspective, balance in Central Europe by making political and economic steps to prolong and to reinforce the current situation which is beneficial for Germany and much less beneficial for Poland.

Germany benefits from maintaining the current situation in CEE and Poland will benefit from disrupting it as simple as that.


By constructive you mean backing up most of the EU core decisions made by the others. Like the last PO government did. They even almost took German "refugees" in before they got swapped by enraged Polish voters.

And by Europe you mean the EU core.

This government was active and has played an active role in consolidating V4 and creating 3 Seas Initiative. And also made the US be more involved in Europe. That's an active role imho.

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1158]

"Mr Jabłoński said that he had listened to a recording of Ms Barley's interview and the words "aushungern finanziell", meaning to "starve financially" are audible and clearly apply to both Hungary and Poland."

polandin.com/50150185/ep-vp-comments-on-poland-hungary-were-shameful-pm-aide

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1158]

@Tacitus, the question that I'm asking myself right now is: are you unable to or maybe unwiling to understand what I wrote so far. I think it's a mixture of both things.

I'll keep explaining those basic things cause it may reach some more perceptive readers at some point.


Well, Poland lies in Central Europe geographically and geopolitical, but that's not the point. For me Germany was never a truly Western country anyway. But those are our personal opinions, irrelevant to the matter.

Yes, Germany would like Central Europe to prosper to the point where it could become a large market for German products but not to the point where it could become a fully developed competitive economy. Thinking otherwise would be insulting to Germans and their pragmatic ways of thinking.

This approach may work with Czech or other smaller countries but Poland is just too big and to ambitious to settle down for such a position. It was a temporary solution when the economy was rebuilding after communist times but it was inevitable that one day such a position would not be suitable for Poland any longer. I hope it's clear so far?

So what to do now, how to solve this problem from a German point of view? How to deal with those bloody Poles, who on top of that have invited Americans into taking a more active role in Europe? I mean, blocking Ribentropp-Molotov pipe with Russia, starting some geopolitical initiatives, like 3SI, in central Europe without asking Berlin first? Who they think they are?

In the "good old days" Germany would make a preventive strike in order to jeopardize Polish plans. But these days it is impossible for Germany to do so for various reasons. So there are only some political and economic ways which you can use against Poland. Here's a sample:


but come on, such words as "starving Poland" in the mouth of a German politician sounds very inappropriate to say the least. That's not the way. And not pragmatic at all to reveal German plans so openly.