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if I am concerned they can go about those vigils forever - I'm not really impressed


oh I leave you with your bias - the whole conversation with you is pointless - you don't see the problem with the current judiciary system and you probably haven't seen any problem with the PO (mis)rule - farewell

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I don't have coherent arguments? hmm then you are a complete hysteric - agreed? after all you see authoritarians everywhere

and no my 'devotion' to PiS is not blind, and they don't have my unconditional support and I don't agree with some of their policies - the thing is in my opinion they are the best thing we have at this very moment

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there will be violence if there is a coup on the part of the 'total oposition' which I wouldn't condone but would fully understand

you know Jon - I'm going to repeat myself 'cause I have already written it today - you can fool everybody for a time - you can fool some people all of the time - but you cannot fool everybody all the time - enough people have awakened to the reality that PO and company do not represent people's interests but their own selfish interests

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thousands mean little in the day of electoral vote - there are millions home who are happy with what the goverment is doing and will only bother to go to the streets if this goverment is taken from them

in my personal opinion you are completely brainwashed or are an elitist scum - don't know which is worse

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did Lenin, Stalin or Mao introduce direct democracy? no, they were elitists just from a different set than those who preceeded them

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because the people should be able to hire and fire everybody at their will not that someone should be protected from the outrage of the people and not accountable to anybody

btw coal miners are not civil servants


I'm not really sure you know what direct democracy is at all - and the source of the word is demo cracy - the rule of the people - not the rule of the judicial elites however noble they might want to pose

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and there are millions of those who support PiS - maybe you don't know such people (if you don't maybe you should move a little bit out of your bubble) but as I said look at the polls of political support and how much PiS scores in them

and you know what - if the 'total opposition' attempted a coup there would be a civil war because just as I said there are millions of those who are staunch supporters of PiS and they would not take it lightly if someone wanted to take their vision of Poland away from them

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oh either you play dumb or haven't read what I had written here - the current system makes the judiciary an authority unto itself with hardly any democratic control - do you call this direct democracy - maybe we use different definitions of what direct democracy is

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Other millions do. How do you reconcile the poll about the threat of democracy (if it hadn't been manipulated) with the fact that PiS still enjoys over 35 per cent support in the latest polls

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I'm actually in favour of completely direct democracy - let the people rule and make the laws not the elites - people will learn from it much more than in the current situation - but for now I approve of the PiS government and I don't see them as an authoritarian force and I believe they respect democracy much more than the ones who ruled previously and what is also important they are willing to fight corruption and fraud - I guess you believe they are cynical, maybe they are to an extent but not in the order of PO and PSL

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Kodeks Pracy should not include civil servants in my opinion

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hiring and firing is only meant for the authority figures of courts (prezesi i przewodniczący wydziałów) and the unrestricted hiring and firing of them according to the new law is limited to the intermediary period of 6 months after the introduction of the law - then it is going to be regulated

anyway still I would rather have a system when in democracy a ruling party appoints judges than that judges are an authority unto themselves - ultimately I'm all for democratic election of judges

I understand you don't like the rule of the people and prefer the rule of the elites - it's the exact oposite with me

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I understand you don't like these people - I on the other hand hold them in respect and especially Ziobro seems to me to be a benevolent person willing to fight injustice and yes I believe that if PiS were to appoint judges (which is not exactly the case according to those laws passed) they would be much more just then the current lot who are an authority unto themselves and of whom plenty show little to no morals and often outright contempt to a simple man

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I prefer democratic control - no party in Poland has at the moment a monopole on governing and PiS is neither willing nor in power to change it

as far as I know judges in the US for example are democratically electer (regular judges) and the Supreme Court judges are directly appointed by the President and approved by the Senate - in Poland there was no control over the judiciary circles so far and this led to many scandals and unfair rulings

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and they were the body who appointed new judges - completely without any democratic control

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If you haven't heard Schetyna just promised that if they win the next election he will introduce the law that will put those MP's who voted for the PiS Supreme Court bill for 5 years in prison (breaking the rule that law is not retroactive and that MP's have an immunity on the issues they vote for) - is PiS supposed to be affraid??

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Pawłowicz is not holding favours of Kaczyński - she barely convinced him to give her a taking position before the last election

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Pawłowicz is not the one setting tone to PiS policies even if she is very vocal

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I hope not and very much doubt it it will - with it's history of lies, manipulations and opinions instead of facts it is bound to die out

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should private media live off government subsidies even in a veiled form - I don't think so - let them earn what they can on a free market - have you ever considered that the demand for the likes of Gazeta Wyborcza is simply dwindling

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for the moment I see the state owned media as a good counterbalance to the mainstream private media - to be honest I don't watch television that much and I have entirely given up on watching Polsat (I almost never watched TVN I just heard about their eternal anti-PiS bias) - you know when the PO ruled Poland was one of those few countries were all media were criticizing ... the oppostion (i.e. PiS)

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I don't see a slightest hint of PiS controlling the private media - I can image the outcry if the TVN broadcast concession would be removed - I understand you are wary but I can't see anything happening to the private media in the foreseeable future - you are free to go to your newsagent and buy Gazeta Wyborcza - that their sales are dwindling is not an effect of any attack on private media simple as that

you probably heard the phrase: you can fool everyone for a time, you can fool some people all the time but you cannot fool all people all the time - the effects of this truth in action are seen unraveling before our eyes

also PO was in bed with private media and they have paid for their support from our wallets - you may not remember it but I do

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care to elaborate? - is TVN and Polsat banned - is Wyborcza closed? - aren't Interia, Onet and WP free to manipulate poeple to their liking?

you may not have experienced Interia moderation in action I have

or maybe you consider TVP in the times of PO as not a propaganda tube for the government

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@Atch

as I said I'm all for public debate and if the majority of Poles wanted to legalize abortion I would bear with it even if I'm strongly opposed to it and I would do all I can to prevent it - having said that I am very much in the opinion that real public debate is not possible without unbiased media - the media that just inform and are not bent on shaping public opinion - which is not the case around the world

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that doesn't explain the 24 per cent growth of diesel sales in december 2016 - and as I said the anti-fraud packet went into action only in August and the fraudsters initially reacted to it buy simple smuggling which government reacted to by imposing tighter controls of fuel transport - we'll see how it works out this year - i mam nadzieję że odszczekasz swój brak zaufania do skutków poczynań rządu jeśli okaże się że faktycznie działają

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are you in favour of abortion?

and I am all for public debate about all conceivable topics - if you think PiS is stifling the debate then I can tell you that not more if at all than PO did in their time

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I have corrected myself in a subsequent post - which you probably haven't read - gas sales more than 10 per cent more year to year is much more than the economic growth suggests - also the anti-fuel-fraud packet was not introduced until August 2016 so it had limited impact on the yearly growth of akcyza income and as I pointed to you the growth of demand for diesel in the late 2016 was above 20 per cent (24 to be exact for December year to year) - no economic upturn can explain this (and such a growth just didn't happen)

tax dodging and VAT fraud are two entirely different things - if you choose to believe there was no massive fraud during PO rule so be it - but how do you explain the 40 per cent growth of VAT income even if the income for the last's year Decmeber has been moved to this year?

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I don't believe in meaningful participation of the people in goverment unless the law is what people want it to be - you don't trust people choices - I can understand it to an extent - but it is important for the growth of humanity to learn even if only by mistakes

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as I said our definitions of democracy differ and just leave it a that - I guess you are affraid of the rule of people so be it - and I have my (spiritual) reasons to believe it is the most adequate form of government to the current state of consciousness of the humankind

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then we have simply a different understanding of what democracy is and let's just leave it at that - I believe democracy is the rule of people and their will should be the law and I will always vote accordingly - you can lecture me on what democracy should be but I will not change my mind