News / Degenerate "rainbow" eyesore to disappear from Saviour Square (Plac Zbawiciela) in Warsaw [297]

A 20 metre building looks more accurate, much as I'd like a giant one. The maquette that was on display showed the apex (is that the right word for a rainbow) about level with a third floor window.

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Maybe a conflation (or perhaps a Silesian thing) lobarz? Unlikely.


Yob tvoy mat, phonetically. Very tenuous. Also unlikely

It's more likely to be a garbled mispronunciation of £obuz meaning rogue, hooligan, nuisance etc

News / Degenerate "rainbow" eyesore to disappear from Saviour Square (Plac Zbawiciela) in Warsaw [297]

I think that's why they chose the site - the same with plac Zbawiciela. Needing brightening up.

News / Degenerate "rainbow" eyesore to disappear from Saviour Square (Plac Zbawiciela) in Warsaw [297]


There's an unfortunate amount of graffiti already in the area (same with plac Zbawiciela) and for some reason Poland doesn't have the same sort of law as the UK (has to be removed within 72 hours or within 24 hours if offensive). I would think that any vandalism would be dealt with and there's already a police presence in the area. The Polish Rainbow did attract problems from extremists however it attracted much more support and I would hope this would be the case here.


A Rainbow will brighten up the square which always looks bland and windswept. there have been discussions about it for years - a statue wouldn't suit, since they can't site anything centrally die to the tram lines.

News / Degenerate "rainbow" eyesore to disappear from Saviour Square (Plac Zbawiciela) in Warsaw [297]

As far as I know, it won't cost the taxpayer a penny to install.

News / Degenerate "rainbow" eyesore to disappear from Saviour Square (Plac Zbawiciela) in Warsaw [297]

The entrance to that church is not in plac Wilsona, and a church entrance more than 100 yards away is neither here nor there. It certainly isn't any reason to stop the rainbow. Clearly you don't know the area quite as well as you'd like. And doubtless "many of the cultural elite" attended his sermons 30+ years ago, 'guest poster' and that is equally no reason

I repeat, the Polsih Rainbow that was in plac Zbawiciela, the one which represented Poland in Brussels during the presidency of the European Council, was also near the entrance to a church. This one however is not

And that is neither here nor there. The rainbow is a symbol of hope, inclusion and diversity - and people liked it

News / Degenerate "rainbow" eyesore to disappear from Saviour Square (Plac Zbawiciela) in Warsaw [297]


Rubbish. It isn't any sort of provocation and there isn't the entrance to any church there. Though there is on plac Zbawiciela and the Polish Rainbow put there for a year by the Adam Mickiewicz Institute was a success, despite the efforts of pond-dwelling villagers to vandalise it.


Clearly you don't know that bit of town very well. It's the home of the cultural elite - Warsaw's Hampstead.


Good it's renewable energy though I don't see how walking inside it would work unless they make pedestrian access to an already complicated traffic island. The maquette that was in the gallery didn't show that. Great idea though.

News / Degenerate "rainbow" eyesore to disappear from Saviour Square (Plac Zbawiciela) in Warsaw [297]



Only in your mind; most people are happy with the Polish Rainbow as a symbol of hope, etc. One reason why the plac Zabawiciela one and the new Rainbow are such a success.


On Facebook - do you use it? Isn't it a bit 'pop culture' for you?

News / Degenerate "rainbow" eyesore to disappear from Saviour Square (Plac Zbawiciela) in Warsaw [297]

There's even a new Facebook group protesting about the rainbow. It would be a great shame if there was more trouble with extremists trying to set fire to it. The old one is going up in a fairly secure area so the new one is the worry.

News / Degenerate "rainbow" eyesore to disappear from Saviour Square (Plac Zbawiciela) in Warsaw [297]


They've never heard of him and don't care. Plenty of Warsaw people have heard of the rainbow as a symbol of diversity, inclusivity and hope and are happy to see it in the city.

People who want a Rydzyk statue can have that. As well. Just not in pl. Wilsona where most people would dislike it. Maybe Kozia Górka or somewhere.

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This is a bit of a smoking gun, and not the first time a PiS politician or one of their parliamentary allies has taken the advantage of immunity.

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Yes, as so many do, me too...

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I wonder why you think that. No need to rename the castle and town (or anywhere else at all).


No it wasn't. It was nationalistic and that is never 'natural'. It also insults the history of the castle.


So what?

Anyway, you're trying to go off topic. Perhaps instead of trying to trying and failing to argue above your level as well as mentioning Israel for some odd reason, why not post an interesting picture of a castle or palace in Poland?

News / Nazi gold train 'found in Poland' [90]

Quite. One issue is that there just isn't vast amounts of missing gold bullion. Most was accounted for. The Silver Reserves of Hungary went missing, however there's no suggestion they were kept on the other side of Poland and brought across the country at that late stage of the war.

Looted personal possessions like jewellery is a possibility, but not a whole train full and in any case there would be claimants for that. And as I've said, any art on there (and yes, there is still stuff missing) may well be in an unrepairably poor condition.

Military equipment is the most likely cargo - anything else would be a bonus. And of course whatever it is must have been worth the effort to conceal it, so it will be interesting to at least historians.

We can all dream though.

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Good idea. It's been done already, but not for a long time so perhaps it's due for one. The question is where - Warsaw, Kraków or somewhere else?

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More likely to be rusting military hardware and possibly some plundered items. If there are paintings included, there may not be much left due to damp.

Then again, although I'd be careful about saying it's crammed full of gold and jewel or even has a small amount of valuables, whatever's showing up on the ground-penetrating radar must be worth hiding.

Travel / Castles and Palaces in Poland (with pictures) [155]

Given history, it's understandable why, but a bit of a shame when history is erased in that way. They even renamed Polnischer Neustadt into Prudnik. Here's a picture of Niemodlin/Falkenburg. And another of Prudnik Castle

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News / Degenerate "rainbow" eyesore to disappear from Saviour Square (Plac Zbawiciela) in Warsaw [297]

It's been approved in full and funding is guaranteed however as I'm sure you'll appreciate, the last thing they want is crowds of placard-waving moherowe berety getting involved. There's a sculptors' maquette made and some computer generated models - out there on the web if you use google properly.

Apparently they were preaching against the new rainbow from the pulpit this week - of course blaming the foreign influence. Basically railing about not only that one, but also the original one that was in Brussels and plac Zbawiciela being re-sited in a historically significant location

News / Poland's PiS = suspicion & fear? [70]

Simplifying the tax system is trivia compared to the false promises made by Jaro's clowns - masive spending that they would never be able to fund.

Easy for younger voters to forget the unkept promises from last time.

News / Poland's PiS = suspicion & fear? [70]

Merged: Financial markets have no confidence in PiS clowns

It isn't possible to cut and paste from this (the Financial Times don't allow that) however the article says that unfortunately many voters in the forthcoming election are too young to remember what a mess the short-lived PiS regime was and it expresses real concerns about their incompetence in international affairs and financial issues:

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News / Degenerate "rainbow" eyesore to disappear from Saviour Square (Plac Zbawiciela) in Warsaw [297]


The Rainbow itself looks to be a fairly impressive piece of engineering - the picture on the sponsor's site looks great, however I agree that a double rainbow would have been too complicated. The colours look a little more muted than the installation that was in pl. Zbawiciela however that's appropriate to the residential location - I like the way they've used subtle lighting for the evenings.

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It isn't lost, however people do not visit that site because they want to learn about something else. A bit like not 'learning about' the wild west when you go to New York.

Worth mentioning that most visitors go there while staying at Krakow.

Travel / Castles and Palaces in Poland (with pictures) [155]

Falkenburg as was. The castle itself is nice to visit but not anything remarkable. Fairly well preserved though and lived in until 1945. The real beauty is in the combination of the castle and its location.

Worth a visit if you happen to be near.

News / Degenerate "rainbow" eyesore to disappear from Saviour Square (Plac Zbawiciela) in Warsaw [297]

That's massive - I was guessing the Rainbow would be more like 65 feet. I'm not sure it'll be visible from Centrum Olimpijskie (except maybe from the restaurant on the roof) but it's still huge - a symbol of hope and a sign of how Warsaw has risen from the ashes, or more so that the sun's come out after the rain. And the plac Zbawiciela one is supposed to be going up in the grounds of the Centrum Sztuk Nowoczesniej near Lazienki Park.

And an amusing thing is that Jaro will see the new one every day on his way to the sejm - I wonder if he'll get his driver to go the long way round...

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You should bring a letter from your doctor. Since you'll be working in Poland, you'll be paying into their version of the National Health Service and they will organise your treatment. You will need to consult a doctor when you arrive - in order to get an appointment initially, you will probably have to pay.

You may find that there is a preferred alternative to that particular medication and that they will want to use that instead.

News / Degenerate "rainbow" eyesore to disappear from Saviour Square (Plac Zbawiciela) in Warsaw [297]

Well, light is always better than darkness, inclusivity better than inclusion and diversity better than monotony. Hence the beautiful symbol of the Polish Rainbow, exhibited in plac Zbawiciela, in Brussels and soon to be in its new home.

News / Degenerate "rainbow" eyesore to disappear from Saviour Square (Plac Zbawiciela) in Warsaw [297]


There you go again, trying to force your view of morality on society.


The forces of Ciemnogrod didn't manage to get rid of the Rainbow either by force or by any other means - in fact its new site is in a historically significant location, and they haven't managed to stop the new one either, so good luck with that.

News / Degenerate "rainbow" eyesore to disappear from Saviour Square (Plac Zbawiciela) in Warsaw [297]


Really? Nobody else can.


Public art in Warsaw squares isn't a central government issue. The fact that the city has chosen not only to site the original rainbow somewhere much visited as well as commission a more permanent structure to brighten up another location is a very positive sign.

News / Degenerate "rainbow" eyesore to disappear from Saviour Square (Plac Zbawiciela) in Warsaw [297]

If you fancy being an art critic, commentating on hugely popular works of modern art, like the Polish Rainbow, I suggest not giving up your day job.

And I can't wait until the new, much bigger one, comes.

News / Degenerate "rainbow" eyesore to disappear from Saviour Square (Plac Zbawiciela) in Warsaw [297]

Do excuse - I mean the Kino Wisła. Though the project does have some connection with the Tęcza and the Trzyrecze people.

It isn't the same rainbow installation being placed there (it's in the middle, by the way) - that is being re-erected elsewhere in central Warsaw. The place Wilsona one is by the same Polish artist and is larger, due to the larger site and the need to span the tram lines.

I heard that the new rainbow will be several times the size, though that's probably an exaggeration. It needs to be big enough to clear the tram lines and it's a more complicated junction than pl. Zbawiciela so it will have to have a larger span. I was having a look the other day and trying to figure out which way they will orient it in relation to play Wilsona - probably with the ends of the rainbow standing east and west. Whatever happens, it won't be the same rainbow which is going up somewhere near £azienki Park.

And following the huge success of the rainbow so far (exhibited in 2 Polish cities and in Brussels), the Mickiewicz Foundation are apparently commissioning more works similarly on a theme of diversity, inclusion and hope.