UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [282]


No, it isn't. We engaged in centuries of armed struggle against the English. We didn't just wake up one day in the middle of the 19th century and decide we were 'Irish' and should have our own independent nation. I've posted about this in the off-topic just now so I'll link you to it.

polishforums.com/off-topic/poland-random-chat-74400/114/#msg1856998

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I'm extremely well read in Irish history at a much higher level than school history books. That's why I understand the topic far better than you do. And I understand the difference between Irish nationalism within the context of Sinn Fein, the Celtic revival of the 19th century (which was to some extent an artificial construct), and the real, living, breathing history of a nation, which you would feel in your bones if you ever set foot in Ireland.

The Lebor Gabála Eireann (The Book of the Taking of Ireland) is a thousand years old. The Irish already understood that Ireland was a distinct country. That's why the attempted to write a history of their nation. Just because we didn't have on single leader (though we did have that sporadically) does not mean we were not a united nation. We liked as much autonomy and freedom as possible; each family liked to govern itself and its lands but within the constricts of Brehon Law.


The problem is not simplicity but complexity. It seems that the history of Ireland and the concept of Irishness is too complex for you to grasp.

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Well now, the earliest surviving references to hurling are found in 7th and 8th century AD Irish laws, which describe various sporting injuries that should be compensated. That's under the terms of Brehon Law which codified every area of Irish life in pre-Christian times and survived until the 17th century.


Firstly, I could indeed talk to him as I have a few words of Irish and the Irish spoken today is essentially the same. Secondly I know what hurling is and so would he, thirdly I know about the Fianna, the Tuath De Danaan et al and so would he, thirdly we'd share the same religion and I could reference sacred places and monastic settlements that he would know, fourthly I'd know some of the songs and music that he would know because so many of the 'tunes' as we call them have been passed down. I could discuss the difficulties facing harpers now that they've been outlawed etc etc.I'd know how to greet him and address him with proper courtesy as 'Fear Uasal' and he'd address me as 'Bean Uasal' - noble man, noble lady. We would recognize each other as Irish.

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You're absolutely wrong.


And that's where you're completely wrong. Actually music is at the very heart of Irishness. We're intensely musical people. And we live the culture. It's not a show for tourists. It's who we have been since long before Christianity. And our pagan, ancient past has remained in the national consciousness in a way that has been lost in Poland. Most Polish people know little and care less about ancient Polish ways. You don't express your sense of national identity through music and song as the Irish do, not indeed through sports. We've been playing hurling for thousands of years. It's in the legends of ancient Ireland and it's part of our culture today. We know who we are. We've always known.

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What do you mean by a modern Irish nationalist? Answer in off-topic.

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What you said was that Ireland was a tribal society and didn't have a sense of a single national identity - which is not true. Ireland perceived itself as a single nation long before the 18th century, a fact proven by the existence of books of Irish history dating back to medieval times, which purport to tell the history of the establishment of Ireland. Read about the Lebor Gabála Eireann (The Book of the Taking of Ireland). It was written in the 11th century. The fact that such a book was compiled so long ago, indicates that there was a concept of Ireland as a single nation/country a thousand years ago and an appetite amongst its people for a recorded history. This history already existed in oral form and would have been known throughout the whole country as it was recited in poetry form by the Bards of every noble family. Anyway, let's leave it there. If you want to bang on about it we can take it to off-topic Random.

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Where are you getting this idea from? You mentioned 1848 and I think you're confused by the ideals of the Young Irelanders and their paper 'The Nation'. The concept of a distinct sense of national identity existed long before the 18th century. It's hard for an outsider to understand though Jon actually gets it :)) The sense of Irishness has always been powerful. It's in our stories, our songs, our music, our sports, our customs. We have always known we are Irish. And it includes the Norman English, the Cromwellian settlers and all who assimilated into Irish society.


The Vikings did actually come to Ireland you know. They founded the capital city of Dublin. Haven't you heard of the Battle of Clontarf?


Yes indeed. And the original topic of the thread which was how Sinn Fein's success in the elections would affect Poland, which is, not at all - not in my opinion anyway.

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I know the history of my country very well - and it's a very long history. Any waves of migration to Ireland are very ancient and the Gaelic culture emerged over thousands of years.


About five hundred years after Christianity arrived in Ireland.


You really are very ignorant aren't you ? :)) The mass of people at that time wore woollen clothes, the nobility wore silk and satin which was imported. Banners and flags were made of silk. There was a strict ranking system regarding the wearing of colours etc.

As far back as the seventh century this was how the Gaelic people dressed.


Please don't try to educate me regarding the history of my country, in which I am very well versed and of which you know next to nothing. Those different tribes were all related to each other and practised the system of fostering to boot. Those tribes observed the Brehon Law, the same religion and shared the same mythology. They were one people ethnically.

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That's not my slogan.



No similarity whatsoever to Ireland in either case. Lvov was annexed by Poland in the 14th century. The Crimea was annexed by Russia in the 18th century and was a melting pot of different tribes/groups. Ireland was always one country with a predominantly Gaelic population who shared the same language, religion, mythology, legal system, culture and ethnicity, 100%. The Gaelic culture has existed on the island of Ireland since pre-historic times. In Gaelic Ireland the four provinces each had their own king, with a High King who could be consulted etc. in times of dispute among the different chieftains. There was a complex legal system, Brehon Law, which was observed throughout the whole island. I could go on but I won't.

Ireland came under English rule in the 12th century - the whole of Ireland - and remained that way until 1921. NI was never separate or different to the rest of the island in that respect. It only became separated as a result of partition following the War of Independence.

And I don't believe in forcing anyone to be part of a nation.

UK, Ireland / From Hertfordshire, UK to Śląskie, Poland - Are we crazy? [35]


Good luck! Hope everything works out for you :)

Off-Topic / Why do people here fight so much? [128]

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Off-Topic / Why do people here fight so much? [128]


A pity Dostoevsky is dead. He could have written a book about you - 'The Idiot, Part II' or 'The Soft Shoe - A Tale of an Idiot'


Maybe you could find work as a human shoe tree.

UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [282]


But there are individual cases and I understand this case far better than you do.


Well, not by the south alone, but by the people of the north and the south. Any referendum will be island-wide and the decision will be that of the people, not politicians which is how it should be.


Not Ulster - a minority of Unionists within the province of Ulster - and that's why NI comprises only six counties and not nine. The state was established by manipulation of electoral boundaries and omission of three of the counties in order to ensure a Unionist dominated state. I have to say I raised an eyebrow at your earlier reference to free and fair elections as NI was notorious for decades afterwards for gerrymandering in order to send enough Unionist MPs to Westminster.

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You're making a few assumptions yourself. I grew up in Ireland and lived the reality of Irish politics on a daily basis. I really do understand the culture and I'm probably the only person on this forum who voted when the Good Friday Agreement was implemented. Historically Ireland had never given up its claim to the territory of NI. We refused to recognize it as part of the UK. Part of the peace deal meant giving up that claim. That was very difficult for me to do, to give up something I truly believed, that Ireland is an entire and whole nation which was unjustly partitioned. But I voted for the GFA. I did so because I wanted to see peace in NI for all of the good people who live there, whatever their heritage or religion.

One thing that matters greatly to me is that it still states on the Irish Passport:

'It is the entitlement and birthright of every person born in the island of Ireland, which includes its seas and islands, to be part of the Irish nation."

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NI was only partitioned a hundred years ago - Ireland is Ireland and that's that. I'm just stating the fact that the six counties which comprise the state of Northern Ireland are part of the island of Ireland.


It's not that simple. Plenty of people up north consider themselves Northern Irish. There are more people in the North who identify as Irish/Northern Irish than British.

As I'm Irish I actually know what I'm talking about when it comes to NI.

UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [282]


Tell me more.


What do you mean by Irish?

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My position is the cultural reality. Each of the four provinces of Ireland has a distinct character but we're all Irish, same as every province of Poland is Polish. The northern part of Ireland was one of the most Gaelic in character for centuries and was the seat of the most powerful Gaelic chieftains, the O'Neill. It's a hugely important and significant part of Irish history and culture. The modern state of NI has its own unique character but it certainly is not remotely 'British'. Have you ever been there?

Off-Topic / Why do people here fight so much? [128]


From your description of your infirmities it sounds as if you should be in a wheelchair, rather than ballet shoes.


You're an idiot?

UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [282]


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If Northern Ireland is part of any country, it's part of - wait for it- Ireland! Yes, that's right. Ireland is an island and the statelet of NI comprises six of the thirty-two counties of Ireland. Those six counties are located in one of the four provinces of - yes, right again, Ireland. The UK is not a country. It's a union of countries, those countries being England, Scotland and Wales plus one bit of somebody else's country. But yes, it is indeed a bit weird that one part of Ireland is in the EU and the rest is not.

Off-Topic / Why do people here fight so much? [128]


Then, you haven't been properly trained in the care of your shoes.


You really need to change career.

UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [282]


The only way to understand anything about Northern Ireland, including the Protocol is to get the Irish perspective. Read Tony Connelly on RTE. He does in depth analysis and is a true expert on NI. Also if you read Irish journalists, you get extra 'local' information like what they've been told off the record by their UK government sources etc.

rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2022/0611/1304135-uk-northern-ireland-protocol-bill/

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Or is she?


Not very ladylike language from the prima ballerina in waiting - especially one whose dainty sensibilities are so offended by sex. Btw dear, your disgust tells us that you'll never be a great artiste no matter how much you practise. You can't dance Odette/Odile with that attitude. Time to hang up the pointe shoes.

Language / A study on how bilingual Polish-English speakers think [86]


In Lancashire :) I believe it's also a thing in Manchester if you live on the Rochdale side. The character of Haley in Coronation Street had that accent.

Law / Child maintenance UK-Poland [5]

If you're living in the UK apply in the UK. There are loads of free legal advice clinics all over the UK. Find your local one and ask them to advise you.

Law / EU citizen, inviting a non-EU fiancée and wanting to get married, best course of action? [4]

As you live in Poland, I'd suggest that you make a trip to Warsaw and go to the immigration office. You'll find that these matters are much easier to sort out in person. Frequently, the requirements/paperwork are less stringent or complex than they appear to be once you can deal face to face with an official. You can be lucky and get a more relaxed one :) It's generally quicker and more effective in Poland to deal with things by going to the office yourself and having a chat. They speak English in the immigration department and they have a special section for EU citizens.

Law / EU citizen, inviting a non-EU fiancée and wanting to get married, best course of action? [4]


Would it be easier to arrange to get married in the EU country of which you are a citizen?

Work / Relocating to Poland for work [10]

You might find this helpful. It's pretty accurate.

numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Poland&country2=Poland&city1=Gdansk&city2=Gdynia&tracking=getDispatchComparison

Work / Relocating to Poland for work [10]


It would be a bit cheaper to rent in Gdynia which is easily commutable to Gdansk by train.


Depends on your branch of IT.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


You do realise that Eve is a character in a story? It's an allegory, not an account of actual events.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


Exactly. The majority of the population in both Poland and Ireland are Catholics but neither country is a theocracy.