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delphiandomine   
11 May 2019
History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [227]

Yes, I always say that Poles are rather economically illiterate as a result of such a system.

I know a remarkable lady who started a business in 1991, and she said that people were absolutely shocked when she explained that in her factory, there were no perks and no alcohol - but that salaries would be paid fairly while being dependent on the productivity of the factory and on their ability to sell the products to Western Europe. People just couldn't understand that the factory had to work economically, and that she fired a hell of a lot of people for smelling of booze on the factory floor.
delphiandomine   
11 May 2019
History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [227]

But I guess that's how it worked - to hold any prominent position, you had to be a party member.

Pretty much, or at least be known and trusted to them. There are examples where someone enjoyed a privileged position in society despite not having formal Party membership, though it's almost certain that they would have betrayed others to get to that point.

The big problem was that loyalty and patronage was more important than knowledge.

Going back to myths - the whole economic system could be regarded as a bit of a myth. People are nostalgic for the days of factories with full employment.
delphiandomine   
11 May 2019
History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [227]

Here's an article about it but I don't know how accurate it is.

Yes, I think it's accurate. 2m is the number given by other sources too, and that link accurately shows the huge decline in membership in 1980-1 when many Party members gave up membership. From what I understand, Poland never really had the same level of tedious Party bureaucracy like elsewhere: you needed Party membership to have a career, but it was never on the level of East German or Soviet bureaucracy.
delphiandomine   
8 May 2019
History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]

Yeah, I know someone who started a company in the dying days of the PRL, and he says that theft was a serious, serious problem. He explained to people that they were stealing out of their own paypackets, but people simply couldn't understand that their salaries depended on the success of the business.
delphiandomine   
8 May 2019
History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]

That's actually a great idea. The sausage one in particular reminds me of a discussion where someone claimed that there were no problems with getting meat in the PRL, as her family always had access to an abundant amount of meat. On further questioning, she was from a village and had no real idea what city life was like in the PRL.
delphiandomine   
7 May 2019
Language / Extremely Hard - Polish the hardest language to learn [226]

As any Polish speaker knows, there are reasons for those spellings. Only a person with a poor grasp of Polish, perhaps acquired through Google Translate would struggle with them.
delphiandomine   
6 May 2019
Language / Extremely Hard - Polish the hardest language to learn [226]

Do try harder. Anyone actually Polish wouldn't have this problem, and anyone brought up here actually speaking Polish would instinctively know the rules surrounding formal and informal language.
delphiandomine   
6 May 2019
Language / Extremely Hard - Polish the hardest language to learn [226]

Personally, I'd suggest you forget about trying to learn it, it's just too hard.

Just because you can't speak the language doesn't mean that others can't.

Polish is quite easy when you understand how it's constructed.
delphiandomine   
5 May 2019
News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1158]

Thanks Delph for that splendid and very informative resumé.

Thank you very much!

I could write more, especially about Szczecin. They were in an awful situation in 1990 - I forget the numbers, but I think out of 11 orders made by the Soviet Union, 7 or 8 of them were cancelled at very short notice. The Soviet Union also refused to accept delivery of some ships that couldn't be sold to other buyers, so the shipyard was in deep trouble. Yet, they got out of it - there was a good management team, a very capable CEO who understood business as well as workers, and they were able to implement reforms that allowed the shipyard to actually compete on the world market.

For instance, some of the CEO's reforms were very interesting for 1991. He got rid of all the luxuries that previous shipyard managers had enjoyed such as expensive cars and fully paid holidays, but he also got rid of the apartments that the shipyard owned. I think it was about 3000 that the shipyard owned, yet many of them were occupied by descendants of shipyard workers and not actual workers themselves. They had problems with the buildings, and the shipyard was losing a huge amount of money on them because they were responsible for repairs while rents were controlled by law. So - they just gave away the apartments to the housing cooperative rather than sell them. It worked, because they no longer had to take responsibility for their maintenance or otherwise.

Another example was in the space that the shipyard occupied. Rather than trying to keep huge production areas alive, they actually rented production areas out to other shipbuilders. Gdańsk tried to do the same, but only after many years of losses after 1990, at which point, it was obviously too late.

There were many other examples, but it's why Szczecin was a success (at least on paper...) in the 1990's while Gdańsk and Gdynia failed. Of course, there are different opinions as to why the shipyards fell, but the EU actually only really intervened after the shipyards already died. Szczecin and Gdańsk were economically finished before 2004, and Gdynia was only surviving because of the aforementioned state aid.

Anyone that blames the EU for the shipyards falling is guilty of massively oversimplifying things. EU rules on state aid dealt the death blow to Gdynia/Gdańsk, but the yards were struggling long before that. In particular, all three governments between 2004-2008 failed to implement any sort of restructuring in Gdynia/Gdańsk.
delphiandomine   
5 May 2019
News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1158]

Some people blame the EU`s policy for leading to the bankruptcy of the Polish shipyards.

I think it's worth discussing the shipyards as part of the bigger picture. They essentially operated within the Communist planning system - Poland imported cheap iron ore from the Soviet Union, produced steel, then used it to build ships that were then sold to the Soviet Union. Fair enough, it provided large amounts of employment under Communism, but it made very little economic sense.

The system changes in the late 1980's, as the Soviet Union no longer has the means of selling iron ore cheaply, nor does it need ships. It would take an essay to explain what exactly happened, but the end result was that Gdańsk in particular drowned under a mountain of debt and bad management. The problem was that in all three shipyards, they were more than just shipyards - they operated medical centres, kindergartens, hotels, housing, etc.

So - in 1990, it was obvious that reforms had to be made. In Gdańsk, the workers were incredibly hostile to any changes, and as a consequence, it was politically impossible to change anything there. They drowned in a sea of debt, and so they were taken over by the Gdynia shipyard in 1998. We can observe that the Gdańsk shipyard was never really economically viable in the free market as a result, not least because of the problematic labour relations.

What about the other two? Well, Szczecin was hailed as a perfect child of the free market. They had sensible managers, and the shipyard (in cooperation with workers) was able to get rid of the kindergartens, hospitals, etc and focus on the role of shipbuilding. It was a great success, wages were increasing quickly, they were winning orders on the free market, workers were happy with the management, so in short, great. Unfortunately, it was also all a massive fraud. It's explained nicely here - eurofound.europa.eu/publications/article/2002/bankruptcy-of-the-szczecin-shipyard - they were essentially using money lent to build ships to actually build different ships that were overbudget / late. So, Szczecin was really an illusion - it was only working in the 1990's because of such financial tricks, and it was always doomed to fail.

Gdynia was a slightly different story. They were effectively forced to take over Gdańsk shipyard and provide it with plenty of (unprofitable) work for political reasons, while the Gdynia shipyard was also given a huge amount of favourable treatment in respect to loans, orders, tax write-offs, etc. It was a terrible deal for the Polish taxpayer, as the money kept coming even though the shipyard was losing huge amounts of cash.

Why was it illegal?

It wasn't quite as simple as being illegal. EU law regarding state aid is quite complex, but the basic idea is that you can provide it as long as you make an attempt to make the business profitable. The problem with it in Gdynia was that no attempt was made - you can read the press release about it here: europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-08-588_en.pdf - in short, the money was used for daily operations, not for restructuring the company.
delphiandomine   
4 May 2019
History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]

Thanks but it isn`t such a big deal

Oh, but it is a big deal. I never realised that they were so underdeveloped there, but again, I rarely go east of Warsaw/Katowice. I've been to the Czech Republic more than I've been east of the Wisła/San...
delphiandomine   
4 May 2019
History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]

I think you are wrong to equate affluence and perhaps insinuate educational levels with how people vote.

In Poland, it's pretty much how it is. City/educated vs rural/uneducated is seen time and time again, and in the local elections, it was the reason why PiS were trounced in mayoral elections in cities and large towns, yet why they did well in provincial elections. It's not really about geography anymore, because PiS lost in places considered to be their heartlands, like Biała Podlaska, yet they still managed to win in Lower Silesia with the help of the corrupt "independents".
delphiandomine   
3 May 2019
History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]

Better education plus a gov that supports the economy, the industrialization, agricultural development

It's very fair to say that the Prussian/German partition was easily the most developed. The big mistake was the attempted Germanization, though it's also understandable why they did it when you consider 19th century history. If they had fully integrated Poles and allowed Polish to be used on an equal basis with German, I do wonder if the Wielkopolska Uprising would have actually happened.
delphiandomine   
13 Apr 2019
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

I think he was also filled with guilt,

There are so many rumours about his role in the whole thing that I suspect that he deliberately wants to avoid anything going near a courtroom or the State Tribunal for that reason. I do think though, that he understood Polish society perfectly in that you don't need to win all the votes, you just need to have a solid amount of 'believers' and that the rest will fall into place.

I do blame those foolish enough to go along with it...

I'm absolutely convinced that for some of them, it was the perfect way to cover up more shady dealings, especially Macierewicz and the incredibly dodgy business around the helicopter cancellation and their replacement with those Boeing governmental jets.
delphiandomine   
13 Apr 2019
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

You suggest he was so cynical

Yes. He was already filled with rage over the humiliation of losing the 2007 election, and the seeds of the "Smolenskisation" policy were sowed in the hatred seen outside the Presidential palace in 2010. They had no chance in the 2011 election, but you can see how Kaczyński started really pushing the Smolensk myth after his defeat in the election.

His ability to 'care' and then not care about Smolensk is quite extraordinary, and I think you could see that he hated Obywatele RP for 'wrecking' the cult-like monthly appearances.

If Kaczyński really cared, he would have immediately opened up all the files to international experts, and made a high profile public commission with the research publicly available. However, it wouldn't have suited him politically to do so.
delphiandomine   
13 Apr 2019
Food / What do non-Poles think about eating the following Polish foods? [1400]

I once made a sauce from chillies, horseradish and (English) mustard powder. It took no prisoners!

I've noticed recently that Poles are starting to really acquire a taste for spicy food. I've fallen in love with those chili olive oils that are available now,

Do you suggest you know of some usual jar stuff which is better than home made one? :):)

I was once suffering with a ridiculous amount of work at the end of the school year, and so I bought some meatballs in a jar from Biedronka.

Worst idea ever.
delphiandomine   
12 Apr 2019
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

Just for fun: sejm.gov.pl/Sejm8.nsf/InterpelacjaTresc.xsp?key=07B60E44&view=null

As of last January, after over 2 years, Macierewicz's sub-commission had completely failed to provide any sort of findings to the National Prosecutor's Office.

But seeing as antheads is here is so knowledgeable, perhaps he can acquaint himself with the actual findings. It transpires that the UK laboratory found only "substances used to produce these materials" according to Macierewicz's own sub-commission, and Macierewicz took it upon himself to change it to "explosives" despite that not being the case.

wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/7,114883,24635583,znikajacy-raport-podkomisji-smolenskiej-a-w-nim-nowa-wersja.html

This was a civilian airplane tasked for transporting the heads of the goverment, not running bomb deliveries.

Except it was operated by the military. The 32nd Special Air Regiment was part of the Air Force, under the Ministry of Defence. It wasn't a civilian plane at all.

If you get even basic details wrong, how can you expect anyone to take you seriously?

he report from the Forensic lab will be published shortly

We've been hearing "published shortly" for 3.5 years now.
delphiandomine   
12 Apr 2019
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

You do realise that the laboratory has said nothing on the record, and that no proof of the claims made in the PiS-controlled media has actually been produced? If you want to discuss facts, then you need to rely on something more than a claim made in a government-controlled rag.

The other important thing: you do realise that this was a military plane, used for military purposes. The military also uses explosives. Hmm...how strange.
delphiandomine   
12 Apr 2019
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

What are you on about? No-one is taking it seriously, not even within PiS. The polls consistently show that only around half of PiS voters believe in the fairytale, and after 3.5 years, they haven't produced a single piece of evidence to support the claims.

By the way, Taylor is not a respected air crash investigator. He's never worked formally at the AAIB despite his claims in Poland, and actually, he's mostly known for causing a lot of trouble in Italy with his false claims about a disaster there.

But you know, I suppose you know better than the highly experienced commission that investigated the Smolensk disaster.

Makes all the difference. Not.

Worth reading: natemat.pl/238473,kim-jest-john-schindler-obronca-macierewicza-zaslynal-zdjeciem-penisa

It turns out that this guy was sending stuff about his penis to people on Twitter, and was suspended from his job as a result. Hardly credible.
delphiandomine   
5 Apr 2019
History / Unforgettable quotes about Poland and Poles from Polish and world`s history and culture [99]

Yes, very much so. Polish when spoken by simpletons has that "shhhshshhsh" sound that other Slavic language speakers mock as being characteristically Polish, whereas educated speakers of Polish speak clearly and everything is articulated properly.

For instance, take a Regio train to a poor region. You'll hear plenty of "shshshsssh" going on, whereas it's rare to hear it on a domestic LOT flight.