News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


As you and others have noted, this is not because of the EU, and not even because of Poland, but because of the current government in Warsaw. Poland under PO was on its' way to becoming a key player in the EU. Poland is generally well disposed for becoming a hugely important player in the EU, its geographic position and economic strength make it the obvious choise of leading the Eastern European bloc inside the EU. The EU is in fact well suited for Poland's interests, since it generally strengthens smaller and medium sized member states over large ones like France and Germany (large ones are ofc still more influential than others, but less so then they would be under normal circumstances).

But since the EU is based upon solidarity and cooperation, if one refuses to abide by those principles, he will end up marginalised because he refuses to play by the rules. Which is what PiS is doing. By pointlessly antagonizing the other European countries (Germany by pointless reparation demands, Southern Europe by refusing to take even a symbolic amount of refugees), Poland has wasted its' potential.

Nobody can blame the EU when it is Poland who is prioritizing domestic over foreign policies.

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


There is a big difference between considering something illegal and merely as grey area. In dubio pro reo, calling it illegal with this argument is incorrect.


It would have looked better, especially in hindsight, but there was no requirement to do so.


Not really. It was obviously the right decision. All democrats knew this, and since demagogues of the AfD had yet to pollute the Bundestag, they decided accordingly.

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

No court has declared it as illegal, despite the best attempts of the AfD. So of course it can not be considered illegal.


There was no legal need to consult the parliament. Nor was it done in "dictatorial" fashion, because that implies that Merkel deprieved the parliaments of its' rights. Another AfD lie. What happened was that Merkel held a press conference in early September, and the opposition had the opportunity afterwards to demand a debate in the Bundestag afterwards. Which they did not do, because they agreed with Merkel's decision. Nothing dictatorial there.

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


False. Not closing the border was completely legal under German law.


The EU is an important amplifier of the political independence of its' member states, particulary the smaller, Eastern countries. Being inside the EU increases the political weight of each country while negotiating with Russia.

The EU is also becoming more active in boosting the military cooperation between member states with e.g. PESCO. Which is a good thing, considering the forseeable demise of NATO by American hands.


A basic geopolitocal observation is the farthest from any straw man. Countries like Poland can use any alliance that increases their weight and independence from Russia. That is a fact.

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

It is part of the explanation why those countries can afford to stay outside the EU,and it is of course relevant when one wants to use them as an example for Poland.

Poland is not Switzerland. It is not quasi unconquerable thanks to its' territory, and it is not surrounded on all sides by peaceful and overall friendly democratic neighbours.

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


Indeed. It is also worth mentioning that both of them are in much more favourable geopolitical positions, with no immediate threat to their security nearby (particulary Switzerland). Furthermore both countries have to adhere to EU rules without any say or representation.

News / How Poland bought German Airline Condor and might lose massive from it [34]


Dont worry about us, we are just fine. The fact that German muslims are becoming a more integral part of our society and thus receiving more acceptance is a good sign.


Moat of the German muslims have long entered Germany (or have been born here) long before Merkel became chaancellor. As for idiots. Trumps mismanagement of the Cotons virus might end up killing tens of thousands of Americans, yet people are still supöorting him.

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

It would be good if the EU learned from this crisis and made sure that strategic products can be produced in the EU if needed.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

Just further evidence of how stupid American gun laws are.

google.com/amp/s/qz.com/1505227/guns-kill-more-more-us-children-per-year-than-cancer/amp/

News / POKO and LGBT lobby is trying to sexualize children in Poland. Now they aim for adoption [120]


What is so logical about this? If that is true, then this is honestly completely absurd and just a concession to homophobes.
It is not possible to raise your child "gay" or "straight", otherwise straight couples would not get homosexual children from time to time.

News / POKO and LGBT lobby is trying to sexualize children in Poland. Now they aim for adoption [120]


Your story states the opposite. Your friend evidently failed in taht endeavour.


It is perfectly normal. All we need to teach them isthat some people are born with this orientation, that there is no way to change them and that there is no reason to discriminate against them. Nothing of that will make them gay (ehich is not possible in the first place).

News / POKO and LGBT lobby is trying to sexualize children in Poland. Now they aim for adoption [120]

That is not a concern, because it is not possible to change a child's sexual orientation. In fact, homosexual are probably less likely to engage in such child abuse than hetero couples who try to "cure" their gay son, because they have likely more empathy for how senselessly cruel such a behaviour is.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

It is rather amusing that those gun nuts come back even though their only argument boils down to an irrational fear, while gun advocats have all the facts on their side. Then again, Rich is also irrational influenced by fear in his other views, so I guess it is pathological in his case.

News / POKO and LGBT lobby is trying to sexualize children in Poland. Now they aim for adoption [120]


No it has not. It is just one the many claims you make.

But at this point, we have made each others position clear. If it validates your existence to wallow in empty hatred than so be it. But I'll make to look into thread once progress is reaching Poland, which is only a matter of time.

News / POKO and LGBT lobby is trying to sexualize children in Poland. Now they aim for adoption [120]

What is so "natural" about homophobia? There is no rational argument to justify it.

I don't dislike conservatism, it just should not be used to discriminate against people.

News / POKO and LGBT lobby is trying to sexualize children in Poland. Now they aim for adoption [120]


Strange how Christian is nowadays for many a code wort to justify hatred and bigotry. It used to be the opposite.


No they have not. There is no correlation between homosexuality and paedophilia, unless you apply double standards which are not used on "hetero" people.


I don't need to be gay to have some empathy and basic human decency. Well, maybe it is my Christian upbringing that taught me that hatred is never the answer.

Empty hatred, that is all there is to it.

News / POKO and LGBT lobby is trying to sexualize children in Poland. Now they aim for adoption [120]


As if that was relevant, even to people who see that as more than a fantasy book. We don't stone adulterers anymore either. Or discriminate them in any other legal way.


Because he is their parent, not their father. Two men can be just as loving towards a child than a hetero couple.

News / POKO and LGBT lobby is trying to sexualize children in Poland. Now they aim for adoption [120]


Associating gay people with paedophilia is as hateful as it can get.


Then you must be in favour of gay couples, since they mean two parents for a child.

News / POKO and LGBT lobby is trying to sexualize children in Poland. Now they aim for adoption [120]


There is nothing supposed about it. They will be oppressed as long as gay couples don't have the same rights as hetero couples, it is as simple as that.


There are children who nowadays grow up with single parents, or whose parents are divorced. Having instead two loving fathers or mothers is certainly better than that.


Just goes to show how irrational your arguments are.

Hate, hate hate. That is really all there is to your arguments. And some strange persecution complex, because it somehow infringes on your rights when others are treated the same as you.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

Might as well say about you Americans when you believe this ridiculous nonsense. What this scenario completely ignores that a hypothetical "tyrannical" government is likely not some foreign entity, but one that will have significant support from the population, or else it would not be in that position. That some guns would make a difference against a foe that additionally will have drones, jets et al. is ludicrous. Then again you Americans have been brainwashed enough by the NRA to accept maass shootings as a daily part of your life, so no surprise there.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

Rich is not just disproportionate in his desire for safety. He is supporting laws that are actually making his life more dangerous without owning a gun himself. Furthermore he is also putting his family ar risk by owning a gun. He is more likely to injure/kill them with it than defending them against a possible intruder.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]


Are you really ignoring here all the structural flaws and what Greece did to get those loans? Greece was not duped by the banks to accept loans it could not pay. It actively deceived those banks in order to get those loans.


The Euro itself is a solid but flawed construct, the main flaw was that the member states did not agree to mlre supervision by the ECB to make sure they were not lying. When the Euro was envisioned, it was not considered to let countries like Greece or even Italy in. Both only joined after some creative boook-keeping and a lot of lobbying in Bruessels. Against the resistance of the German finance minister mind you.


After joining the Euro, Greece suddenly only had to pay interests rate at the same level as Germany did, instead of its' far higher one when it had its' own currency. It saved billions each year because of that, but it did not use the money prudently.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

Well, they were of course comfortable hiding behind Merkel and Germans make a convenient scapegoat. Imagine the outcry if Germany had like Finland demanded special guarantees from Greece, which I think were to tied to its' gold reserves.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]


Those transfers did in fact happen via the cheap loans that Greece received after entering the Eurozone. Greece could have used the money to modernize its' country. Instead the Greek government blew it on vanity projects like the Olympic games or to bribe voters. Let us be completely candid. Greece was driving towards disaster before it joined the Euro, because the structural problems were already there. Joining the Euro only accelerated it.

Another thing to consider is that Germany was by no means the harshest creditor towards Greece. Especially the small, often poorer than Greece, countries of the of the Eurozone had a hardline stance towards Greece, and their approval was needed as well.

google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/09/poorer-than-greece-the-eu-countries-that-reject-a-new-athens-bailout

Thirdly, the Greek governments, particulary the Tsipras government, was not helpful in finding a solution. The whole mess started when it was revealed that Greece had been systematically lying to its' partners, and it only got worse from then on. The Greek governments rarely upheld their promises and dragged their feet on reforms. And then there was this complete disaster that the maniac Varoufakis caused. None of that helped Greece's negotiation position.

Finally, Greece did in fact made some incredible advancements in e.g. reforming its' bureaucracy. As a Greek government report said, they made more progress in the time 2008-2018 than in the three decades preceeding it. But that also highlights how far behind Greece was. I mean they did not even have a central registry of the landowners in Greece, no wonder nobody paid landowner taxes. Even most African had one at this point.


Aside from the fact that French and Italian banks were actually more exposed to Greece, it is worth noting that most of those loans were made on a sound base, going from the knowledge that was available. The banks looked at the evaluation of Greece via the ECB, which was based on the (falsified) numbers provided by Greece. There was no way of knowing that Greece would be lying so brazenly about its' deficite. Again, Greece is not the helpless victim here. They actively asked for loans and even cooked the books to get them.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]


You do know that the Greek governments were actively deceiving the other government and Bruessels about their spending and deficite right?

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

Case in point, here are a lot of examples listed on.

nationalpost.com/news/world/greece-zakyntos-island-of-the-blind-scam-822595

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]


That would be even more ridiculous. If he wants to know about the Greek problems, he should google for "Island of blind people", Expenditure of the Olympic games in Greece and "Fakelaki" to get an idea.

History / BARBAROUS / BARBARIC / BARBARIAN tribes in Poland [62]

A good start would be your definition of "Barbarians". Because in the original sense of the word, Barbaroi were all non-Greeks. The Romans later applied the term to all people not under their dominion, so in the case of Poland, it would apply to all. Do you mean tribes that lived in what is now Poland during Ancient times?

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]


The refugee crisis was caused by the breakdown of Arab societies and the rise of the Islamic state, both of which Germany played no part in. In fact it could be argued that Poland is more responsible since it aided in the destabilization of Iraq.

By 2015, Southern Europe and the Balkans were no longer able to cope with the arrival of refugees and asked for help. Northern Europe refused, so particulary Italy just started sending them North. Merkel only decided to help them when the BND told her that there was a chance that the Balkans might be destablized if they were forced to permantly have to deal with the 1m refugees that had arrived at this point. Merkel was at time the only European politician who actually thought off the bigger picture.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

Well, I hope that future generations can laugh about what happens in our time.

It is just a nice change of pace that Germans will be able to look back at recent history and be proud of how their country acted during a time of crisis.