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So, if you cannot afford a nice car they will try robbery or whatnot? Yes, they do have a problem.


Pretty much like having a cat. Although if you have a person in your life that affect your life and you don't like it you wouldn't just casually kill that person dead, or would you?


In this time and place if someone is not educated about something then it is his/her own damn fault.


Well, the answer to that would be of course - don't take chances if you are not prepared to face the consequences. Who wants a nanny sate and a big brother watching over your shoulder? Not somebody I would respect.


They live and die by the choices they have made. How many criminal die due to their criminal activity? - should those activities be decriminalized to save lives of few goons?

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I take it back. It is so called citizen initiative - meaning it was no less that 100 000 people that asked parliament to vote over this law.

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It is for me. I'm not talking about legislation because it is relatively simple matter to resolve. It is up for Sejm to sort it out.


Well, they what democracy supposed to be about - majority impose their views on others. The crux of the matter is how far legislation can go to impose and regulate moral/ethical rules on all and what should be left to individuals which would allowed them to make their own choices.

I think that the current regulation is well balanced in this regard. There are other ways that need and could be addressed to minimalize percentage of women undergoing abortions - informative action is a one of many avenues a wise government could explore.

I think that both bishops and especially PiS top echelons haven't exercised here what I call a good old prudence and wisdom while dealing with complex issues.

Anyway we'll see what gonna happen.


That is not an argument at all. It is as if you argue that prohibition is a bad thing because more people will be dirking alcohol from shady sources and more of them will die as a result. They make their own choices and know or should know risks involved. If they rather drink ...well.

Or people speeding and dying regardless of speed limit - are speed limits to blame?

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I'm saying that science doesn't provide 100% correct and accurate answer for everything. If you know anything about science you know that. In this case there is a certain margin for an error and such a gap is enough to dictate caution to these who believe that human life is sacred.

In fact what is contested here are not scientific facts but the different sets of believes.


Nonsense, if anything the religious point of view in this case give an apple opportunity to women to full realize they nature and their potential. Rather then succumb to the utilitarian hedonistic prejudice.

Who is anti-women then? Those who are pushing women to belie they nature, who want to curb and trim their nature to fit their narrow ideological perspective . Who aim to transduce moral sentiments of women into base and retrogressive forms that retard their proper development?

You are pointing your finger in the wrong direction.


Oh don't come up with this propaganda leaflets that have been long ago exposed for what they are.


That is the purpose of the Church, sorry you missed that by a mile. To be a signpost for others. Doesn't need to be spotless to preform its function.


Should have keep your .... in check. Boys and girls should learn there are consequences. This is not an argument.


Blah blah, typical excuses of those who wants to have a cake and eat it at the same time - boohoo!


Reality on the ground.

As for the rest of you fear mongering crowd that post those pathetic posts above predicting PiS's doom and making much of nothing.
I don't think that that new legislation will become law. In fact I'm pretty certain naught will came of it. Same as with PO attempted to change the current law other way to suit their paymasters in Germany, they failed. PiS will fail as well.


That the lamest of them all. Come on make an effort and think up or steal some proper argument. Maybe you should be aborted in the late stage of your embryonic life as you are now to comprehend what you are talking about?:D

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Aren't you a stickler for prudence in spending of the public funds. I would believe you if not for the fact that you belatedly ignored all encroachments and misuse of public money by the previous government.

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Science has nothing to do with it. You should know that.

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Better save than sorry, right? After all the pro-abortionists due to ideological influence believe that they can determine in what exactly moment a 'cluster of cells' transform overnight into a proper human being.

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Immaterial.


Nah, the argument is a sanctity of human life. Now, there are some exceptions/instances where that principle can be overruled but only some. However the principle on which the law regulates those issues should be based on the principle of the sanctity of human life.

Also each person is not a lone island, they are part of the society and principles and rules of the society often trumps/limit personal preferences of individuals.

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You are bringing forth a lot of immaterial stuff. So what? The same goes for your imaginary priest or PiS this or other.


Hey, read my stuff I don't support that new law but the current one.


Well, that is on parents and on their conscience - free will.

History / Sarmatism in Poland [119]

Ever heard about archeology?

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Why bother, brining your views to it logical conclusion it would even better if a few well placed devises should have wiped out all the humanity putting an end to its suffering.

Interesting to see that you support and condone criminal activities.

History / Sarmatism in Poland [119]

Oh, for the 9th century we have a pretty good idea.

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She doesn't have to keep her child, she can give it up for adoption. It is only too easy nowadays.


Should be arrested for smuggling. Both parties.

History / Sarmatism in Poland [119]


Your map, those Vistulans were extended much more to the east that can be read on the map.

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Perhaps, perhaps not, although I wouldn't use MATERNAL to describe such a cases.


That is an excuse that is used so often to disrobe criminals from responsibility for their deeds.


Magical thinking? I presume that there were some other issues at play and argumentation put forth had been but a screen.


Still, deaths are occurring due to abortions or maternity. I don't see it as a huge improvement, after all more oft than not those unwanted pregnancies have been a question of choice. You make your choices you live and die by them.

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A nice day for a Sunday stroll.

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As far as I know some of those statistic had been cooked.
Anyway I fail to see logic in the reason given for decriminalization of abortion. Who in his right mind would decriminalize a crime using as an argument number of criminals falling a victim to their own crime?

Unless someone believes it is not a crime at all in the first place. Meaning that alleged high mortality rate had been only used as an excuse to bring forward legislation closer to their ideologically biased views..

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That's about the size of it.


I'm defending that law because I think is a nice compromise and there is not need to push it just to make the point.


I don't know that and you don't know that. Anyway even if you were right that is not an argument you could use.


Yes, keep proving me right.


Bah, another blunder. Are you not tried of making them again and again?

History / Sarmatism in Poland [119]


Indeed that would put all those speculation about Slavic late arrival on those lands in the file where all other failed theories belong.

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What are you getting at?


It might have escaped your attention but you have been privileged by the society (both in law and in customs)all your life. Your definition of equality must be pretty strange or based on false assumptions if you really believe in that alleged drive to 'try' to make both genders equal.


If you stop raiding the wave of your feelings you wouldn't be taking it all in the wrong way.
You are my equal as a human being, as an individual you were caught trying to lecture me on what is and what is not appropriate in the given contexts. It has bespoken an attempt on patronizing me only because you didn't like my take on an overtly dramatic tone you have taken here.

That is you who obviously cant distinguish between pointing out facts or its logical consequences from lecturing and judging other people's views and expression in such a manner that belie equality.


That is not a very logical stance.. might or might not, who knows what tomorrow will bring? Could be a war or a car accident, are you constantly worrying about those too?


That has nothing to do with the issue debated.


No, it is not.
If I were to defend existing law on this issue I would say (as I already did) that its a nicely cut compromise between defense of sanctity of the human life and contemporary society which doesn't consist only from people bonded by the same ethics.

I think that it is a nicely balanced law despite its flaws.


Which proves that you are on of those brainless morons who should be kept in bondage for their own good.

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What do you mean? I'm talking about certain privileges that are granted to you by the society ( law) by the token of your gender.


Name one thing she has done for poor women that wouldn't benefit it her otherwise?


She is too old to have this kind of issues. Regardless she is doing OK partly because she was/is leading organization that is receiving grants from the international pharmaceutical company producing contraceptives and international non-governmental organization that is involved in the production and distribution of means for the performance of abortions. She is not an innocent bystander but has her hand in the cookie jar.


Nah, that was my adequate response to you being overtly dramatic and theatrical in your gloomy predictions. Now you are trying to lecture me on what is appropriate and what's not. Save it. I'm threating you as my equal in this debate if you cannot take it and you would rather be treated like a woman - you only need to ask me once.

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I don't see it this way after all it is nature that affect women more than men in this and a society balance it with a certain privileges being granted to women. Haven't seem them protesting much over that.


What being poor has to do with getting pregnant?


Really? So, according to your logic I should opt for morons that cannot keep up with argument or are contaminating people with their immoral standing should be eliminated because they endanger society with their stupid shyete? The lesser evil attitude is a slippery slope!


Someone has a medical problem methinks. :D


Sure, and she cares so much about poor women that it kinda hits you in the face. (sarcasm)


What is that? Are you planning to sleep around without protection?


It was as they call it a comprise as not everyone in the society adhere to the same moral standard. Hence the reason I support it.


Which in the way was against the law of the country. I would expect that those responsible should be persecuted for introducing such a law that allowed for that to happen..

Genealogy / Are Sorbs Polish? Does anyone know about Sorbish enthnicity? [62]

I have only noticed that I haven't had answered the thread's question directly.
No Sorbs are not Polish. Yeah, I have heard that about those ten or five Serbs in the present day Germany that are all that remains of what's left from the Slavic tribes which dwelt between the river Oder and Elbe and were consequently conquered by the eastern marches of the eastern Frankish empire (what later used to be ruled by the Römisch-deutscher Kaiser - a strange fish if there is one).


You are confusing things here, Gaelic wasn't really a proper single Scottish language,(spoken in all four corners of Scotland) only some areas were using it.

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Don't try to change it into men versus women contests because it is not.


What's that mangina?

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That is a painful example of reality disorder syndrome.


Yes, your posts say it all.

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Not funny at all, in this way they are creating news that in the following days are being miraculously transformed into 'facts' which in turn create illusion that 0,01% of Poles who partake in this circus are somehow representative of imaginary Polish opposition to the government. Without foreign founds those people wouldn't be able to bring to the streets more than three lame dogs.


It would be even better if morons would have kept they traps firmly shut and would let people with brains sort it out between themselves. So what don't you pipe it down?

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Yep, democracy and freedom of speech equals for you authoritarianism that is a typical progressive approach. Figures.

Language / Nice Polish words to say to a girl [147]


Fair enough roz - a cute chocolate girl.
Can we all agree as to - You're crazy my cute chocolate girl?
Here a perfect translation:
Loca, me negrita!

News / What is strategic meaning of Poland in Europe and in the world? [59]


Hmm... that what you think. Err ..? or you don't!


If I take above as an example of your thought process I doubt your ability to reason whiting the frame set by logical thinking. In other words abstract thinking is not your forte.


Hey, you stated your opinion without any argument or prove to support it. You know what they say about opinions - everybody has one.
Now fink me dong peasano.

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What type they would be? I haven't meet anyone who believes in such a story. It belongs to the history and as such might be used sometimes as a rhetorical figure. Where did you take it from? A storage of lame excuses for a condescending dick?


That is not the point. There is legislation and legal proceeding defining exactly to whom in what circumstances status of a refugee can be granted.

None of the people that found themselves in Greece or Germany fits a legally definition of a refugee. If so than every country can decide for themselves who is and who isn't a refugee. In that light Ukrainians in Poland can be called migrants, refugees or whatnot not just because Polish government chooses to call them so. In the same way German government chose to call illegal immigrants - migrants or refugees or asylum seekers.

The crux of the matter in the EU is that some countries/governments are trying to force onto others countries/governments in the EU their own particular definition of a refugee.

Their standing on the issue and their own reasoning is so full of holes and caveats that they resorted to hysterical propaganda.


Indeed.