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Yes, ban the violent video games that kill people.
Start sterilizing single mothers on welfare after their second child.
A very high percentage of gun crimes are committed by no fathers in the family.
For the students that have no manners and no desire to learn take them out of the public schools and put them in boot camps until they learn how to say, yes sir and no sir and have learned how to read and write while earning their room and board.

Anyone caught with a gun in the commission of a crime shoot them on the spot as you have no civil rights at that point.

Anyone caught with a gun dealing hard drugs get an automatic twenty years in prison.
Laws like this would have no bearing on law abiding private gun owners.
That is how I would start as the vice president to you as our new Irish president Atch.

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I as a strong Right Winged Conservative Patriot agree with you Joker.
But since they are already out there I will be the last one to give up mine.
In fact I lost mine on a canoeing trip in the river when our canoe tipped over. :-o

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That is just their sense of humor put into an expression.
I quit when driving a vehicle while smoking marihuana laws changed years ago.
It is the same fine for being caught driving high on weed as it is for drink driving.
And if you are in a car accident while driving stoned on pot you will be doing some serious jail time.
I am one that firmly believes if you can't do the time, don't to the crime.
I am way to old to be sitting in the pokey for copping a buzz on a little weed.
I feel 100% better too and even started dreaming again.

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That's the most popular where I live too.
The neighbor kids were making keefer out of some and I ask them "why" since the GG4 was so potent already.
They said that you don't smoke the keefer straight or you would pop your lung and to just sprinkle it on a spliff.
I know I don't miss the stuff.


It is spelled 'Gurl' because the Girl Scouts have a patent on their name.

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In Detroit on 23% of Blacks graduate from high school.
Did you know that obama implemented government programs in the Chicago schools (paid for by our government) NOT to call the police on minority students that commit misdemeanor crimes like bringing a knife to school ?

It's true and the Florida school where the shootings took place had this same program there.
It was created to balance out the ratio of between Whites vs. Blacks and Latino's arrests and crimes since it was so disproportional.
Let's put the blame where it belongs and quit blaming the NRA.

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Better yet, tell the Bureau of Land Management the need to follow the rules.
If that was the case the hero Bundy Bunch would not have had to force them to back down.

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Well of course, eventually all the bad guys will end up being shot and killed just like back in the old west with Billie the Kid to Bonnie & Clyde to Bin Laden.

Seems to be working pretty good so far.


Understandable since you are a migrant yourself. (Who you trying to get in from Aussie ?)


Do you have any idea who you are talking to ?
Sig has visited more countries in the last six months then you will in your life time.

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Patriotism is racism.

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Holding the police accountable for their unjustified shootings to start.
Let the citizens decide weather it was justified, not some police panel that ALWAYS rules in the police favor even if the shooting is captured on video and the cop is guilty as sin.

That's where I would start.

Atch the people you/we are talking about don't know how to read or write, can't speak proper English, have never had a legal job, have been raised by a single mother on welfare, been in and out of jail half dozen times for high court misdemeanors, have been robbed, have been beat, use illegal drugs and the most expensive thing they own is their cell phone.

Their mothers rake in about $75,000 a year on welfare by pumping out kids that she can't afford.
Starting to get the picture of what we are dealing with here ?

Now, I have repeatedly ask this question because I am seriously ignorant on the subject.
How does the mental health system work in Europe ?
What does the EU do with mentally ill people that are not responsible for themselves ?
The U.S. has closed the doors to our mental institutions and turned these people out on the streets.
They then end up in prison, homeless on the streets or dead.
How does Europe handle these people ?
ALL of the mass shooters have been mentally ill.

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Yes really.
While the funding is being cut.......well, here is the rest of your sensationalized story.
The president's budget fully funds the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.
The decrease in proposed funding is designed to match the level of spending requested by states that qualify for the grants.

The 2019 President's Budget proposes to reduce funding for this program because the number of states eligible for NICS Act Record Improvement Program funding is not expected to increase and the $10.0 million request is sufficient to sustain the existing level of activity under this program.

Noting that the government only funded the states that were eligible and that some states (the Blue ones) have failed to produce required compliance plans related to reporting mental health records.

President Trump doesn't spend "other peoples money" foolishly like the Dems do by just keep throwing money at a problem to fix it.

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And may I add to that........the police would rather have soft none aggressive prisoners then hard core aggressive to take care of once they get sentenced.

The soft none aggressive want out so they pay their fines, court costs, over sight fees, humiliation classes.
The system got their money so NEXT>
They don't want the hard core criminals that have no intention of paying their fines or court costs and could care how long they are locked up with free t.v., weight rooms, free laundry, three square's a day and free health care.

The system loses money on those kind.
Adrain is TOTALLY CORRECT, "it is all about money and not justice."
That's why they don't legalize marijuana.....they make more money off non violent offenders then they would if they legalized it.

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Knowing your character delph.......you would have done the same thing, ran and hid like you did when all Adrain wanted to do is buy you a cup of coffee.

I just can't picture you going face to face with a crazy person with a AR-15 after they have already killed.


Look who is talking Tubby, the only thing you have conquered in his life is a triple bacon cheese burger with extra cheesy fries and a 24oz. Pepsi.


And the difference is that here in the U.S. almost every home owner has a gun and the burglars know that plus the home owner here in America has ever legal right to shoot and kill a burglar if caught inside someone's home.

That is the difference between America laws and the Eurp laws.

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You mean like somebody with an AR-15 with a magazine capacity of thirty rounds with another magazine tapped to the one in the weapon.....good luck.


My point made, once guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
No offence Atch but you are not in touch with reality on the gun issue in America no matter how big the Irish cops balls are.

The bad guy in the U.S. would say to the cop, "why did you bring your baton to a gun fight sucker ?"

How does the saying go, "I would rather be alive coward then a dead hero."

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EXACTLY but the Left can't deal with the facts to confront them with.


When I was ten years old I use to take my .22 rifle (uncased) and walk with it to the other side of town to the city garbage dump all by myself.

Stop on the way and buy myself a hundred rounds of ammo for $1.00.
My buddies would meet me there with their .22's and we would shoot rats all day Saturday and then walk back across town with our guns.

If a ten year old tried doing that in this day and age their would be a S.W.A.T Team called in with parents going to jail.

That is one example of how times have changed in the last fifty years thanks to the Gun Grabber Liberal teachers teaching children that guns are BAD.

But what do you expect when you take God out of the schools, pamper the kids with safe rooms, teach immorality to them as being o.k., having the feminist movement think raising children without a father doesn't make any difference, having the courts be the third parent in the marriage, giving kids real life video games that you get an extra 1000 points for shooting a cop...........I mean do you really wonder why society is so screwed up to the point these kids actually think it is normal to have a mother with a penis ?

If you really want to get to the root of the problem then lets.


Thanks Sig, will be looking into joining this week.

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That just shows how much you have been brainwashed.
Do you think it is a secret what you Liberals goal is.
You fight constantly for it inch by inch year after year.
I have watched it happen all my life.
Taking our AR-15's is just another tid bit and then another tid bid and then another until you have disarmed America, your goal.
It will never stop so the NRA is forced to put it's foot down and nip it in the bud and keep saying no, no, no.


Just the opposite.
I have a gun so I don't have to live in fear as I am to old to run anymore.
And like Sig and I both have said, "we live in towns where you never see a gun or any gun violence, zero."
Pam you are constantly trying to paint a picture of America being a war zone even after you have been told that most of the gun violence is concentrated in seven major cities in the U.S.

The rest of small town America, especially my home town is just as safe as Poland is.

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Give the GurlScoutCookie X Gorilla Glue cross a test drive if you get a chance.

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There you go projecting false innuendo's since you are unable to back up any of your claims with sources.
Maybe the third time will be a charm and you will comprehend the issue here.
Like I said in post #399 that you have avoided, "All of the mass shootings have been done by mentally ill people on anti depressants and anti anxiety medications" that have possible side effects of hallucinations. (Remember the shooter said that he heard voices telling him to do it)

My point here is that family knew, (he had fresh cuts/slices on his arms and his posts on social media saying that he wanted to be a school shooter while sporting several different firearms) he had been expelled from school, (for aggressive behavior) so his teachers knew, the police had interactions with him 39 times (in a two year period) so they knew that this guy was a ticking time bomb.

All of these people should have done their best to make sure because of his mental illness of aggressive behavior that he was not allowed to purchase a fire arm.


Doesn't, State Laws covers that.
Many people are excluded from owning, purchasing or possessing a firearm in the United States.
For example anyone with a domestic violence charge, prisoners, an aggressive felony charge, a felony drug charge...........
Many people in the United States are lawfully excluded from the 2cd Amendment by State laws.
And yes, the mentally ill with aggressive behavior like all the shooters have been are also excluded from owning a firearm.
And if the system had not broken down the Florida shooter would have been on that list.


Shall we use the word ignorant.
By chance do you suffer from mental illness to be so adamant about giving guns to the mentally ill ?

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My reply to your lame post didn't deserve much thought.
In fact only a diagnosed mentally ill person themselves would think it should be o.k. for the mentally ill taking anti depressants and anti anxiety medication to own a AR-15 assault rifle themselves.

You don't have to admit to it here on a public forum however for the life of me couldn't come up with any other rational explanation.

How you coming with those sources to back up your previous claims above ?

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Do your own homework as you seem to be the smartest guy in the room.
Do you know how Google works ?
When you get done post your source for your ill claims otherwise they are just twink fodder.


RIGHT......let's make it a requirement that all mentally ill people on anti depressants and anti anxiety medications be allowed to carry loaded guns.

Let's see how well that works out.


Maybe we should cut off the free aid to your country to bring you to your senses.

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Thanks for admitting it Lyzko.
The Left wants to disarm America TOTALLY is the issue.
They are avoiding the real issue of MENTAL ILLNESS & PRESCRIPTION DRUGS like the plague.


Wrong...................ALL of the mass shooters suffered from mental illness and were on prescription drugs.

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Sources say the victim attempted to defend himself by firing shots from his own gun, but the weapon jammed.
How could this have happened when guns are outlawed in Ireland ?

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Because they were not professionals and at least the average teacher would have a fighting chance.
The S.W.A.T. teams are professionals in these cases.


As long as you gun grabbers refuse to face the issue and debate it the longer it will go on.
It is not the guns fault, the gun is being used as a political pawn for the Left which is typical for the Left.
WE don't choose to have guns so YOU shouldn't be allowed to have one either mentality.


Just another clueless foreigner that thinks they know what is best for America Sig.
I have an idea, let's turn this thread to the real issue to correct the problem since all these shooters have one thing in common....MENTAL ILLNESS !

All of them have been on mind altering anti depressants and anti anxiety medication.
All these prescription drugs have warnings on them not to operate machinery or drive a car because they may cause drowsiness yet none of them say, may cause hallucinations WHICH IS one of the side effects of these drugs.

Until the bleeding heart liberals understand that these mental patients should be placed in mental hospitals for their safety as well as the publics safety instead of having the rationalization that it violates their Constitutional Rights the problem is going to continue.

That's the problem, not the guns.
Like Sig, live in a very peaceful town where there is never any gun violence even though many people carry one.
Knives kill more people then guns do.
So back to my idea, let's compare and debate how Poland and the rest of Europe deal with their mentally ill population compared to how America deals with theirs.

That is the key component in these shootings.

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No it wasn't, it was an analogy to your stupid "what if remark" about an armed teacher shooting up the school.
You don't want to debate solutions, you want to disarm every law abiding gun owner in America.
That is your bottom line goal and the Europeans here should be aware of that.
We call people like you "Gun Grabbers".
When you migrated to America from Australia you knew that we have Constitutional Gun Rights so why are you so adamant.
The airplane flies both ways.


Did you not read what I posted back in post #373 Adrian ?


Here, read it for yourself that the school guard was indeed armed. theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/22/stoneman-douglas-shooting-armed-guard-did-not-go-in

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You are TOTALLY correct on that and very good point maf.

I have taken several concealed and carry classes, mostly for the law aspect of it as I qualified as a sharpshooter when I was nine years old.

I could honestly say that 75% of the people that take those classes to qualify for a concealed and carry SHOULD NOT own a gun.
They come to those classes and don't even know how to load a gun and are constantly innocently pointing them at people.
I have had at least six people thrown out of classes for innocently pointing one at me.
This brings us to your point maf, if someone pulls theirs to merely intimidate or threaten another person and not willing to use it....it will end up bad for them.

If they live to tell about it the least they will get is four or five years in prison for brandishing a weapon.
My personal view is that if I ever have to pull my weapon that I will be using it or it stays in the holster.

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Here is a stat for you Liberals, "More knives kill people then do guns."
Again and again and again, it was NOT the guns fault in Florida, it was the authorities who refused to act fault.
How many red flags do you want !
Here, read the damn thing for yourself right from Florida so you will quit denying it.

miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201684874.html


I respectfully disagree with you Adrian.
Just type in and Google 'armed guard in Florida shooting' and twenty media outlets have stories that the security guard was indeed armed and in uniform.

Please post your source where it says he wasn't.


Try walking up to a car with stolen plates out on I-94 at 3 a.m. or search a warehouse where there is an armed perp hiding Adrain and tell me how you did.

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What a stupid analogy ........I don't think the armed guard was a good guy, he should be charged with murder for not doing his job.

If he would have been an ex-Marine the shooter would be dead.


What would happen if a stray meteor hit the earth today ?

I see that President Trump and the Governor of Florida just passed a law to raised the age to purchase a firearm to 21 in Florida.

That's more then obama did to try to fix the problem.
The teachers know what kids are potential threats.
(This kid had been kicked out of school for being aggressive..... RED FLAG..... that should have been put on his record for the back ground check)

Why not let teachers order mental evaluations on these troubled kids to force accountability ?
Because the parents would say that it wasn't their kid who is the problem and say that it was the other kids fault that their kid was running with.

Also reopen the Mental facilities that closed and turned the mentally ill out into society.
Get these people off our streets for their safety and ours.
Notice that ALL these shootings have been done by mentally ill people on anti depressants and anti anxiety pills.
(Oh and they all have been Democrats too)

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They did have an armed guard at that school on duty.
When the shots started ringing out the armed security officer ran outside and hid.

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They don't need sorting.
The gun grabbers have one goal in mind and that is to disarm America which includes the law abiding citizens which will never happen in our life time so why even go there.

Why not face the real problem which is mental illness and reopen the mental hospitals and put the mentally ill back in them where they are not a threat to themselves or society.

That's how you fix the problem.

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That's how the Wild West was won so it worked for them.
You have just been condition Atch that guns are a bad thing when it is a bad person behind a gun that makes them bad.


I hope you are not trying to be serious Atch.
If voting made a difference they wouldn't let us vote.

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And five innocent people were just shot coming out of a church in Russia who has one of the strictest gun control laws in the world.


You people are not listening.
Take Jamaica for another example where all guns are outlawed and ammunition is too.
Get caught by the military with a gun and they shoot and kill you, you get caught by the police with a gun it is life in prison YET there are shootings every day and every night in Jamaica. (Google their homicide rate with guns)

Guess that blows your theory of stricter gun laws out of the water dunnit.

Now listen..............the kid that just shot up Florida had been visited by the police 39 times in the past on various complaints, had brought gun magazines to school with him to show off and was eventually thrown out of school.

IF there was a National data bank that this information would have had it seems it might have thrown up some red flags when he went to buy a gun when they did a background check on him do ya think ?

Plus his social media showed him with all kinds of guns showing them off, plus he was on both anti depressants and anti anxiety drugs.

If all of that information had been shared and put into one central agency no way in hell would he been able to buy a gun.

That is the problem.........lack of sharing of information with different agencies for a comprehensive back ground check.
This NOT about fixing the problem, this is about disarming America !
Did ya hear me that time.