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Britain's moral collapse?


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 Jun 2013 #1
David Cameron has explained why he thinks that the UK needs to revert to it's "traditional Christian values" in an effort to "counter Britain's moral collapse".

Do you agree with Cameron? If not, to what do YOU attribtute the downward spiral?
The econ crisis? Family disintegration? Too much multi-culti? A little of all of the above? Something else?
Polson 5 | 1,770
22 Jun 2013 #2
What is Britain's moral collapse? What downward spiral? Could you tell me more about these please?
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,845
22 Jun 2013 #3
following America and getting involved in its trumped up oil wars mainly
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 Jun 2013 #4
Britain is in the middle of a "slow-motion moral collapse" that must be reversed... Prime Minister David Cameron has promised tough new measures to crack down on lawlessness and promote a responsible society.

He blamed social unrest like that of 2011 when ritoers rampaged across the UK on a culture of selfish indifference and greed.

Whatever he had in mind, the point is anyoen can test if society is in decay. Is a given street as safe as it was to walk down as it was a decade or two ago. If you leave a bike on the front porch will it still be there the next day? A sure sign is the crime, suicide and divorce rate as well as the spread of premature youth initiation and the decline of school curricula.
jon357 67 | 16,854
22 Jun 2013 #5
Everything over there is going quite nicely, despite the government cutting back on the SureStart programme and other initiatives to help families.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 Jun 2013 #6
Everything over there is going quite nicely

I reckon youir fancy runs to the rude, crude and vulgar.

UK 'sinks into moral decline'
Rudness, drunkenness, swearing and littering are now so commonplace that 94 per cent of British adults have witnessed incidents.
More than half of us have seen younger people being rude to the elderly. And two-thirds of those questioned in a new poll say the UK is sinking into a moral decline as parents fail to raise their children with decent values.

express.co.uk/news/uk/368334/UK-sinks-into-moral-decline
jon357 67 | 16,854
22 Jun 2013 #7
I reckon youir fancy runs to the rude, crude and vulgar.

You can reckon as much as you like. Whenever I'm back there I notice how polite, reasonable and good-humoured people are there compared to most other places.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 Jun 2013 #8
polite, reasonable and good-humoured people

So the media report was false? Fair enough. But I think the journalsit were nto comparing the UK to teh Czech Republic or Portugal but referring to an ongoing decline compared to the past. Do you see only total stabiltiy and no change in the qualtiy of British human interaction over the past several decades? I do not know, so I'll have to take your word for it.
jon357 67 | 16,854
22 Jun 2013 #9
The Daily Express doesn't have a good reputation. Looking back nostalgically to a nebulous 'golden age' (and the Express pander to their elderly readership) is dangerous. The past wasn't as rosy as some would like to imagine it and in the UK at least, society is still essentially polite.
goofy_the_dog
22 Jun 2013 #10
Too much multi culti and the fault of the gov, labours created a new slcial class that are sucking the benefits sysyem and at night they r going out to beat decent hard working migrants.

Shame that bloody labours are coming back :(.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 Jun 2013 #11
society is still essentially polite.

And I presume today's teens and early-20s are more polite than their paretns' generation?
jon357 67 | 16,854
22 Jun 2013 #12
But Goofy - as a teenager, you certainly won't remember how things were a few decades ago. In the North (I think you said you live there) poverty created a certain community spirit - however the 'cup of sugar' culture may have gone but the good manners largely remain.
Englishman 2 | 278
22 Jun 2013 #13
I'm British and I don't see a moral collapse around me. Granted, there are always things that can be improved, but there are many worse places. If there's one thing I'd like to change, it would be to improve the standard of living and general happiness ofeople who work hard to earn modest incomes and don't take anything from the state.

Ever since the New Labour years they have seen an increasing proportion of their taxes going to support three groups of people they rightly resent: (1) People who don't work, and don't intend to do so; (2) Senior people in the public sector who enjoy salaries and pensions seldom seen in the private sector and (3) Wealthy bankers, non-domiciled foreigners and multinational companies that enjoy enormous tax breaks or implicit state support, making it harder for those in the middle to move up into the top tier.
goofy_the_dog
23 Jun 2013 #14
Labour is also the party of the migrants!
They have a very.. Light stance on the whole migration issue.
I just hate labours, such a useless bunch all yhey is critisise every single desision that cameron makes.
You can see on the PMQ !
Their leaders voice is so weird as well as if he would have pierogi in his cheekz at all times ;)
jon357 67 | 16,854
23 Jun 2013 #15
What you probably don't see is the history of the labour movement, especially in the North and the way it has shaped society over the decades - migration and EU membership by the way both came from the Tories. Labour resisted.

Incidentally, it's quite odd that you seem to dislike migration, since you're a migrant yourself.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,845
23 Jun 2013 #16
Too much multi culti

i bet you and your family loved the 'multi-kulti' when you needed free ESOL and classroom support and interpreters.
goofy_the_dog
23 Jun 2013 #17
Sorry roz didnt go on esol, just watched loads english tv with subs and listened to radio.
Because i see how this country has changed, and i dont want to live here over a longer period of time.. I hav also integrated but there is quite a lot of ppl that didnt.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,845
23 Jun 2013 #18
i dont want to live here over a longer period of time

just stay until you have finished school and uni then lol

"didnt go on esol" - sure you didnt, and nor did anyone in your family...
goofy_the_dog
23 Jun 2013 #19
Thats what i intend to do lolol. Just about five more yrs!
Imply and suggest all u want... I said the truth, y the heck would i lie ?? It is just a forum!
Wroclaw Boy
23 Jun 2013 #20
I just hate labours, such a useless bunch all yhey is critisise every single desision that cameron makes.

If Labour was in government thats exactly what the Conservatives would do, because thats how the system works. You should know that.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,845
23 Jun 2013 #21
Thats what i intend to do lolol. Just about five more yrs!

you'll be back.....
kaz200972 2 | 229
24 Jun 2013 #22
Britain's moral collapse

Britain is in much better shape than many places in the world, certainly in better shape than America!!
There are problems in Britain , the society is in a state of change and it might be some time before it settles down smoothly again.

Many of our problems are due to the way the governments have been influenced by the USA and the EU.
Britain has supported America in areas/matters that America has no right to to interfere in? big mistake
Britain has also accepted laws and ideas from the EU that have had a derogatory effect on society.
That said Britain has far fewer problems than the USA in terms of moral standards, lawlessness, gang culture etc....
We also have at least a semblance of democracy, more than the USA or many European countries have!

Too much multi-culti?

There wouldn't be a USA without all of the ethnic groups that have been paramount in building the place.

Too much multi culti

Without the ethnic groups in Britain, services that you like to avail yourself of would be unable to run.
Some of the ethnic groups e.g Chinese, Indians have far fewer benefit claimants than white Britons or other white immigrants, Poles included.

Thats what i intend to do lolol. Just about five more yrs!

By all means finish your education here, lets face it, despite it's bad points it's still superior to the Polish education system. Lets just hope your family pays the £27,000 fees for that education like I am for each of my children!!!!
Nile 1 | 154
24 Jun 2013 #23
the UK needs to revert to it's "traditional Christian values" in an effort to "counter Britain's moral collapse".

I guess he is talking about teenage pregnancies and benefits bestowed on single mothers.
jon357 67 | 16,854
24 Jun 2013 #24
benefits bestowed on single mothers

So you think child poverty is a better option?
Harry
24 Jun 2013 #25
I guess he is talking about teenage pregnancies

If so, he may wish to pull the log from his own eye before worrying about a speck in Britain's eye, given that the USA's rate of teenage pregnancy is two-thirds higher than the UK's. Of course, that would be the case were he to actually follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
24 Jun 2013 #26
given that the USA's rate of teenage pregnancy

This was about the British PM talking about his country's moral collapse. It was not an exercise in comparative statsitics involving Peru, Canada, Switzerland or Vietnam. Other than those who mentioned multi-culti as a prime factior, few have tried to analyse what is behind the collapse in morals, the spread of impoliteness, foul language, getting p*ssed in public, etc. In other words, what or who was it that inclined Brits to become lax and negligent. The US has plenty of problems but that's not at issue here. Start a new thread on that, if you want.

Harry
What then IS your solution to the teenage pregancy problem? You know mine is a solid Cahtilic upbringing. What do your kind propose?
Still, teenage pregnancy was only one aspect of what your beloved PM was talking about. What about the rest?
Do you agree that multi-culti is a major factor like some poster's do and a predominantly whtie Chrsitian Britain would have far fewer problems?
Harry
24 Jun 2013 #27
You know mine is a solid Cahtilic upbringing.

Three of the top six EU nations in terms of teenage pregnancy are the most Catholic nations in the EU (Ireland, Poland and Portugal). Looks like that Catholic approach to sex education isn't working.

Do you agree that multi-culti is a major factor like some poster's do and a predominantly whtie Chrsitian Britain would have far fewer problems?

No. 'Multi-culti' Holland and Sweden have the lowest teenage pregnancy rates in the EU.

Interesting that you view teenage pregnancy as a problem, wasn't Jesus the result of a teenage pregnancy?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
24 Jun 2013 #28
Catholic approach to sex education isn't working.

It's not enough to be a baptised Catholic. If the family, school and church are failing to get their message across, then its their approach, not the moral principles that are at fault. The basic fault is lack of cooepration amongst the above-mentioned three instituions. If each is pulling in a different direction, then the resultant moral confusion is obvious.
Harry
24 Jun 2013 #29
The basic fault is lack of cooepration amongst the above-mentioned three instituions.

But in Poland, Ireland and Portugal the church very much interferes with schooling (and tries to do so with the family).
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
24 Jun 2013 #30
interferes with schooling

Cooepration nto interference. When the family, school and church worked together to bring kids up, it was an entirely different ball game. Now that popcommercialist brainwashing is so ubiquitous child rearing has become extremely difficult to say the least. It is the neo-religion of popcommercialism that is interfering and most people don't even realise it. That's what makes it so perfidious.


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