History / Polish nobility - what is the status of princes and aristocrats in modern Poland? [33]

@jon357
Exactly right, it's informal. Drand Dukes or in general magnateria were a Grand Duchy of Lithuania case. Not that of the crown of Poland, it isn't first after the 3rd of May constitution that the whole of Poland-Lithuania was formally integrated. It was disputed many times before, especially when Prussian delegates didn't see the need to be considered to be under Polish jurisidicial law etc.

Of course, then the partitions happened and any regulations had to wait until 1918 with the nightmare of three different law systems. Then the Polish state was decided to not recognize them making it an informal matter. Then came the PRL era which outright branded anyone with background of nobility/aristocracy/magnateria as enemies of the PRL. Then came 1989 and after 1989 the areas that included such aristocrats (Grand Duchy of Lithuania) wasn't part of Poland anymore.

So it's not an issue
Also if there is any group pushing for noble titles being recognized in Poland it's the nobility, and the traditions of Polish nobility has been that if you have any aristocratic title it's of foreign origin and most likely bought...

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]

@jon357
If the thread would about the lawsuit, it would be in the thread category "LAW" not history. So I'll still consider it as a thread about the event itself during World War Two, wether or not to talk about it doesn't have anything to do about laws, filesuits or political mud throwing. So if the thread is in the wrong section I'll lose my interest as my interests are mostly reserved for history threads. Bye bye and see you another day

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]

@jon357
I have no interest in the lawsuit... why you are so concerned about is beyond me.

PiS is a socially-conservative party. As far as I know it's the only ruling party in Poland (the government). If there is a broader coalition in the government I haven't heard or read about it.

Life / Poles turn their backs on organised religion. [148]

@jon357
If one is sceptical of any institution you tend to avoid it unless you have to contact it to achieve some sort of short term goal. Example being: certain ceremonies which people mix up with cultural norms or social norms.

Depends on the experience and knowledge of a person of faith + perspective and how one treats your enemies.

Just cause somebody says their part of a religion doesn't mean they have a full grasp of it and it's requirements. Plenty of people have gone through religious activities out of habit rather then faith, just as people communicate differently, so do people learn differently.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]

@jon357
When you write nationalistic organizations (when it comes to Poland) which are you talking about? As far as I am aware there are no nationalistic powers currently ruling in Poland. You talking about some other country?

Life / Poles turn their backs on organised religion. [148]

@jon357
Faith and scepticism are the opposite of each other. Only those not belonging to a religious community has a need for a secular version on anything really as those who are in a religious community which is based on trust, rely upon each other and good faith.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]

*facepalm*
There is a difference between publishing anything in a newspaper and publishing scientifically approved content through a scientific journal.

Also whether it's approved at a university level or not.

Content you read on the internet should always be taken with a grain of salt. Especially Wikipedia,

And if you AGAIN think I am for restricting academic research then AGAIN I need to remind you I am not a supporter of it. Take your grudges to any PiS member if that riles you so much

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]

@jon357
I agree it's a problem if people say they don't exist. Cause they do, blowing their numbers out of proportions however is another problem also as it has more to do with fear rather then the truth.

Depends how you speak and what you say to a nationalist, if you are using broad collective cultural/national terms. Of course they will take it personal, many nationalists have fewer social circles, emotional attachments then normal people have. Lost family members or even sidelined by their own family, finding a collective attachment either through political rallies or soccer matches. Just look at soccer hooligans and their social aspects and connections.

So whenever a person is talking to a nationalist/patriot who has a strong attachment to their nation/country, you bet they will take it personal if you are stirring their view of how his/her society is. Even more so when done in a hostile manner or if it's perceived like an attack... Automatic self-defense mechanisms activate

Life / Poles turn their backs on organised religion. [148]

@jon357
What other perspectives are there about the belief of God existing (which I do)

Or an atheist's perspective of denying it?

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]

@Lyzko
Just like criminals (which they became btw, the flunkies that is), prostitutes, communists, fascists, falangists and butterfly collectors

None of them were chosen, elected or even accepted as representatives of the Polish society at large. So whenever this topic in general is taken up, to any Pole... It's like talking about Iglo building on top of skyscrapers in North America 50 years ago... and? Even if somebody was able to do it, why is that relevant or even remotely interesting?

Life / Poles turn their backs on organised religion. [148]

@kondzior
Seems to me most Atheists behave like hurt kids and want to wreck ultra-extremist Protestants most adored "toy" which is religion&faith cause of harsh restrictions.

The more extreme tendencies of religious conservatism the harsher the restrictions: example like not consuming coffein through coffee or even tea.

With their lack of understanding about deeper meaning of faith... many seem to only look at religious institutions as an institution of repression.

Genealogy / Am I of Polish or German descent? [10]

@vannroxy
1. Move to Poland
2. Learn the lingo (especially if you don't know it) it's gradual and slow. If you would even speak perfect Polish I would be surprised (this is regard to me aswell btw and many native speakers of the language)

3. Don't expect any red carpet, don't demand tons of privileges based on any pre-1920 connections to Poland. It's too far back in time for it be counted

4. Fix yourself a place to work or own business I don't know your trade (if you have written it already then I apologize as I was reading your post in haste)

5. Have your pre-1920 connection to Poland as a motivation&main reason why you want to move to Poland and not... France? Slovakia or Russia for instance. The closer you decide to live near the location of your ancestors the more credibility you will have to your claim. The truer it will be, the easier it will be for you to obtain validly a Polish citizenship down the road.

6. Work for it&take it as a personal challenge to succeed
That is my advice

History / Polish nobility - what is the status of princes and aristocrats in modern Poland? [33]

@jon357
In personal relations it get's easily self regulated, not to mention the internet, published sources and ancestral lineage and DNA tests posted and shared on certain internet sites. (Yes there are sites where you can find people you are related to by simply giving your own heritage history)

Not to mention it's not widely popular among most people in modern society, where plenty of people think of it as outdated, a thing of the past or irrelevant. So more often then not, one is more prone to become an target of ridicule. Rather then awe or respect.

And yes there are people even changing their names to prince/princess or surnames. Protected titles are reserved for professional use via education (doctors etc)

So in Poland the heritage itself has more sway among Polish nobility itself, not the title in itself. It's more about belonging to a social group which is restricted, not by law (like in the past) but, through social connections.

Most everyday Poles probably have no clue or idea there actually still are Polish nobles in Polish society at large as, fashion and design/clothes used by nobility today aren't class restricted (certain way of clothing/lifestyle was restricted by law and punished dutifully as claiming privileges falsely was a major offense)

Nowadays if you wear a Kontusz, nobody will bat much of an eye at you and will most likely think it's a reenactment performance from the trilogy of Sienkiewicz or something.

Also not to mention the unnecessary funding of Złoty only a small portion of society would interested in/ be conscious about. So I honestly don't see it as a problem in Poland. U.K on the other hand with certain nobility having their own political chamber, it's another story which could easily create a scandal.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


(Had to shorten the quote)
Why would I be against it in the first place?! When have I ever given the impression of it? Just cause I have an opposed view of somebody, doesn't mean I treat them how you seem to think I would

Really...
Most Poles know perfectly well of the blue Police, especially the historians. You not knowing of the amount of "samobiczowanie" in the history of Poland makes you only an outsider to every Polish reader...

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]

@jon357
Do I have to repeat myself? I DO NOT support censorship! Meaning I am not the person responsible to what that historian adds or not to his paper! HE IS!

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]

You telling me every journalist who have written about this is a historian? I haven't criticized the historian one bit! What is wrong with you? I even studied to become one myself!!! It would be a big laughingstock of me if I even voiced any opinion about shutting up an historian!

No! I am just saying I don't think the eye witness had his facts straight! And if he did then what happened next clearly shows this person ain't Polish! Which means it's another jab at the collectively agreed notion that Poles are not Nazi's!

It's tiring to read about all this Nazi/Fascist hysteria that the Anglo-Saxon public has to push internationally cause of their phobia of closet Nazi's in their own countries! Thinking it's the same elsewhere! What a bloody nuisance!

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]

@jon357
Can ask does not equate "need to"

What law suits? Are we debating a lawsuit or a historical incident? This is in the history section...

Just cause I am critical of somebody doesn't mean that I think that a state should take action towards a person!!! Your authoritarian mindset is mind boggling to me! Obviously I think that journalist should rethink his actions! Not send police after him or starting a law suit...

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]

@jon357
Then you can ask why the title of the thread is such? Rile up people without need?

I have nowhere written I would exclude the eye witness opinion from any books... Let me be clear here with you: I am an anti-authoritarian meaning: I dislike any authoritarian style rule that includes censorship, book burning, political jailing and mass shootings. Which is why I am strongly against any forms of socialism's whether they are fascist, nationalistic, communistic or social-democratic. Let that be clear once and for all jon357! Your insinuations have never been to my liking.

I am not criticizing the historians here, I am criticizing the journalists publishing this and the thread starter. I am in no way calling for any admin to lock it down or censoring it, I still have my naive hope somebody might learn from this discussion.

@Lyzko
You want a thread about Norwegian history during ww2, I can happily answer that there. In an off topic section

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]

1. We got a case of news sharing information about a supposed "Polish-Nazi" pushed by which type of Newspapers? Not to mention a subjective opinion of an eye witness

2. Said person has been found innocent by the communist authorities in the 1950's... Begs the question if said person actually was just a scumbag, not having any Polish national trait at all.

Seems to me it's another yet again attempt on trying to fracture any collective thought or feelings of the Polish nation, it's quite tiring to be honest. No matter how many times I read this, again and again

Food / Is brain-damaging vegan fad growing in Poland? [176]

@mafketis
I heard from a family member who works in the food industry that having the animals relaxed right before their slaughtered increases the quality of the meat.

History / What makes you feel Polish? [167]

@Ironside
Thank you, I appreciate it
I love trying out new ideas and discuss them. One of the positive aspects of Norwegian schooling was learning reflection on several different topics, preferably opposing views. It's a stark contrast with the doctrine of "wkówanie" where you learn things, but not necessarily why.

With internet search engines the knowledge is easily available and forums an arena for exchange of ideas and thoughts. Sadly many people use such arena's for their own entertainment, struggles or political fights. I am guilty of it myself as I pretty much grew up on this forum.

I have always appreciated this place, Harry was an thorn in my backside annoying me information which I felt like a personal attack as he evidently didn't "side" with Poland, but criticized it. Meaning joining the "commies" camp of patronizing and putting down anything Polish, especially thing most Poles consider an achievement.

Thanks to it tho, I know now what to expect from anyone trying to defame Poland. So I am more mentally armed for such discussions.

That's another side of the coin of being Polish, the many opinions of a few Poles on the same topic! :)

Oh and Ironside, keep being the political compass you always have been. The one who is not afraid to check ones allegiances

News / Poland's LBGT Seen as Dangerous Foreign Idea. [39]

@jon357
Really? Which newspapers? I can search it up myself, just want to shorten the trouble for my brain's searching capacities. Google is so useful

Love / Am I The Only One Who Doesn't Find Polish Women Attractive? [93]

@Paulina
Fair point
I have to work with my "psychopathic" side, and some might add other things that aren't true. That has more to do with my social ineptitude more, then anything else. Work in progress as I like to call it

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]

@delphiandomine
I full heartedly agree, less taxation or even abolishing it for small firms could be the first step, and a media focus on being an independent and free citizen with means for a better life.

The more firms, the jobs being created etc. create a positive growing circle without government interference while it keeps her eyes open

History / What makes you feel Polish? [167]

@Paulina
To be honest, any country is more open then a Scandinavian country. I however prefer Poland anyways, even tho I have been to several other countries. It's something about the food

News / Poland's LBGT Seen as Dangerous Foreign Idea. [39]

@delphiandomine
Taking up sexuality as something to be publicly debatable is destructive for the unspoken truce. It's simply a private matter, people not understanding that... Thanks for making it obvious for everyone

History / What makes you feel Polish? [167]

@delphiandomine
You create the Pole you meet, if you give out emotions of a Pole being unable to have any virtues or good character. He/she will not try to improve his/her communication with you, simply by being obnoxious enough for you to want to leave them alone.

So it actually speaks more about you then about Poles in general, if that is your experience

News / Poland's LBGT Seen as Dangerous Foreign Idea. [39]

@delphiandomine
Your telling me LGBT are just individuals meeting together suddenly without communication to show off butt naked on the streets? :)

Domestic violence and alcohol abuse issues seem to be heavily derailed from any attention for excactly this reason, governments would much more wave a flag see thousands of people protest then get on with their lives.

Actually handling real issues are not a priority for them, especially as they don't think they can solve it. So every time I see a newspaper prefer to take up the topic of LGBT over real issues like alcohol abuse, domestic violence, increase in use of pornography, mafia or criminal elements taking hold in the country. It may make my blood boil, which I try not to happen as I rather enjoy my blood augers running low and my blood to be stable

News / Poland's LBGT Seen as Dangerous Foreign Idea. [39]

@jon357
LGBT is an organization promoting the destruction of families, why you think people dislike it?

Just because it isn't as highly organized as a structure you complain it for not being, doesn't make it untrue that it's organized.

@delphiandomine
One of the barriers of Polish-USA relations are the U.S.A's handling of her community that doesn't adhere to heterosexual-relationships also known as normal relationships. And is now pushing for this trauma on her international relations globally, other states feeling guilty over it cause of harsh laws join in on this guilt trip. Poland has no reason to join in, and anyone claiming otherwise only prove themselves an enemy of Poland, trying perform subvert activities that do not belong in Poland

News / Poland's LBGT Seen as Dangerous Foreign Idea. [39]

@jon357
Last time I checked Jarosław Kaczyński hasn't stated being a member of LGBT organization...