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Ironside   
5 Apr 2016
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

but are you really suggesting that science has nothing to do with the medical profession's point of view?

I'm saying that science doesn't provide 100% correct and accurate answer for everything. If you know anything about science you know that. In this case there is a certain margin for an error and such a gap is enough to dictate caution to these who believe that human life is sacred.

In fact what is contested here are not scientific facts but the different sets of believes.

It certainly has nothing to do with the religious anti-woman point of view

Nonsense, if anything the religious point of view in this case give an apple opportunity to women to full realize they nature and their potential. Rather then succumb to the utilitarian hedonistic prejudice.

Who is anti-women then? Those who are pushing women to belie they nature, who want to curb and trim their nature to fit their narrow ideological perspective . Who aim to transduce moral sentiments of women into base and retrogressive forms that retard their proper development?

You are pointing your finger in the wrong direction.

Perhaps you've never heard of the Spanish Inquisition

Oh don't come up with this propaganda leaflets that have been long ago exposed for what they are.

[..] tell other people how to act in a moral way.

That is the purpose of the Church, sorry you missed that by a mile. To be a signpost for others. Doesn't need to be spotless to preform its function.

My first thought when I had a 'scare' in the past was abortion or RU-48 as a solution - I was 18,

Should have keep your .... in check. Boys and girls should learn there are consequences. This is not an argument.

both parties responsibly decided they weren't ready to have children and the children would have a much better and much more stable future if they waited.

Blah blah, typical excuses of those who wants to have a cake and eat it at the same time - boohoo!

Who decides if the legislator's conscience is the same as the peoples' - or even if it's right or not?

Reality on the ground.

As for the rest of you fear mongering crowd that post those pathetic posts above predicting PiS's doom and making much of nothing.
I don't think that that new legislation will become law. In fact I'm pretty certain naught will came of it. Same as with PO attempted to change the current law other way to suit their paymasters in Germany, they failed. PiS will fail as well.

to understand the issue fully he should volunteer to be raped

That the lamest of them all. Come on make an effort and think up or steal some proper argument. Maybe you should be aborted in the late stage of your embryonic life as you are now to comprehend what you are talking about?:D
Ironside   
5 Apr 2016
News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]

Aren't you a stickler for prudence in spending of the public funds. I would believe you if not for the fact that you belatedly ignored all encroachments and misuse of public money by the previous government.
Ironside   
4 Apr 2016
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

The anti-abortionists due to religious influence even believe that a cluster of cells with no brain or central nervous system is 'human life'.

Better save than sorry, right? After all the pro-abortionists due to ideological influence believe that they can determine in what exactly moment a 'cluster of cells' transform overnight into a proper human being.
Ironside   
4 Apr 2016
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

I simply stating if the shoe was on the other foot, these pro-life men would be singing a different tune- or at least privately

Immaterial.

Abortion is said to stop a beating heart and it is killing 'life' - I don't think that's the argument

Nah, the argument is a sanctity of human life. Now, there are some exceptions/instances where that principle can be overruled but only some. However the principle on which the law regulates those issues should be based on the principle of the sanctity of human life.

Also each person is not a lone island, they are part of the society and principles and rules of the society often trumps/limit personal preferences of individuals.
Ironside   
4 Apr 2016
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Polish women travel to get abortions in other countries:

You are bringing forth a lot of immaterial stuff. So what? The same goes for your imaginary priest or PiS this or other.

Doesn't seem like adoption is totally viable Ironside...

Hey, read my stuff I don't support that new law but the current one.

with Down's Syndrome

Well, that is on parents and on their conscience - free will.
Ironside   
4 Apr 2016
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Why bother, brining your views to it logical conclusion it would even better if a few well placed devises should have wiped out all the humanity putting an end to its suffering.

Interesting to see that you support and condone criminal activities.
Ironside   
4 Apr 2016
History / Sarmatism in Poland [119]

Oh, for the 9th century we have a pretty good idea.
Ironside   
4 Apr 2016
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

I am saying that poor women will have it much more difficult to keep a child.

She doesn't have to keep her child, she can give it up for adoption. It is only too easy nowadays.

A drone loaded with abortion pills is flying to Poland. Activists hope it'll start a trend

Should be arrested for smuggling. Both parties.
Ironside   
4 Apr 2016
History / Sarmatism in Poland [119]

Also,

Your map, those Vistulans were extended much more to the east that can be read on the map.
Ironside   
3 Apr 2016
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Perhaps because the number of maternal deaths occurring could no longer be ignored?

Perhaps, perhaps not, although I wouldn't use MATERNAL to describe such a cases.

but those women must have been desperate

That is an excuse that is used so often to disrobe criminals from responsibility for their deeds.

Presumably the government at the time thought that it wasn't going to stop and at least if abortion were decriminalized

Magical thinking? I presume that there were some other issues at play and argumentation put forth had been but a screen.

You might be right, but at least women were given the option to have abortions safely instead of risking their live

Still, deaths are occurring due to abortions or maternity. I don't see it as a huge improvement, after all more oft than not those unwanted pregnancies have been a question of choice. You make your choices you live and die by them.
Ironside   
3 Apr 2016
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

The change in the abortion law in 1956 was largely due to high mortality rates of women undergoing illegal abortions.

As far as I know some of those statistic had been cooked.
Anyway I fail to see logic in the reason given for decriminalization of abortion. Who in his right mind would decriminalize a crime using as an argument number of criminals falling a victim to their own crime?

Unless someone believes it is not a crime at all in the first place. Meaning that alleged high mortality rate had been only used as an excuse to bring forward legislation closer to their ideologically biased views..
Ironside   
3 Apr 2016
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

If I've understood you correctly you support the current legislation which was passed in 1993 and think the abortion laws should stay

That's about the size of it.

is this what you meant by your comment that not everyone in society adhered to the same moral standard?

I'm defending that law because I think is a nice compromise and there is not need to push it just to make the point.

it is not going to stop abortion

I don't know that and you don't know that. Anyway even if you were right that is not an argument you could use.

eh?

Yes, keep proving me right.

rather than a cluster of cells being removed at a hospital.

Bah, another blunder. Are you not tried of making them again and again?
Ironside   
3 Apr 2016
History / Sarmatism in Poland [119]

Some recent DNA researches suggest people living in Poland 2000 years ago have much more in common with modern Poles than with any other nation...

Indeed that would put all those speculation about Slavic late arrival on those lands in the file where all other failed theories belong.
Ironside   
3 Apr 2016
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

No privileges make up for loosing control over one's body

What are you getting at?

And if you didn't notice for a long time we are more or less trying to make both genders equal.

It might have escaped your attention but you have been privileged by the society (both in law and in customs)all your life. Your definition of equality must be pretty strange or based on false assumptions if you really believe in that alleged drive to 'try' to make both genders equal.

I am a women and yet your equal.

If you stop raiding the wave of your feelings you wouldn't be taking it all in the wrong way.
You are my equal as a human being, as an individual you were caught trying to lecture me on what is and what is not appropriate in the given contexts. It has bespoken an attempt on patronizing me only because you didn't like my take on an overtly dramatic tone you have taken here.

That is you who obviously cant distinguish between pointing out facts or its logical consequences from lecturing and judging other people's views and expression in such a manner that belie equality.

I'm young enough that I have still many years in which I may get pregnant.

That is not a very logical stance.. might or might not, who knows what tomorrow will bring? Could be a war or a car accident, are you constantly worrying about those too?

For you I may seem melodramatic but for you it's more or less just theoretical question.

That has nothing to do with the issue debated.

For me it can become very real issue every month.

No, it is not.
If I were to defend existing law on this issue I would say (as I already did) that its a nicely cut compromise between defense of sanctity of the human life and contemporary society which doesn't consist only from people bonded by the same ethics.

I think that it is a nicely balanced law despite its flaws.

I also happen to disagree with tiny insecure "men" ... trying to tell women what to do with their bodies

Which proves that you are on of those brainless morons who should be kept in bondage for their own good.
Ironside   
3 Apr 2016
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Sorry but I have no idea what you are on about here.

What do you mean? I'm talking about certain privileges that are granted to you by the society ( law) by the token of your gender.

Certainly more than the Church in this situation

Name one thing she has done for poor women that wouldn't benefit it her otherwise?

After all she for sure wouldn't have any problems with paying for a visit in a nice clinic somewhere outside of Poland.

She is too old to have this kind of issues. Regardless she is doing OK partly because she was/is leading organization that is receiving grants from the international pharmaceutical company producing contraceptives and international non-governmental organization that is involved in the production and distribution of means for the performance of abortions. She is not an innocent bystander but has her hand in the cookie jar.

I can only assume that it's your failed and disgusting attempt at being clever and funny.

Nah, that was my adequate response to you being overtly dramatic and theatrical in your gloomy predictions. Now you are trying to lecture me on what is appropriate and what's not. Save it. I'm threating you as my equal in this debate if you cannot take it and you would rather be treated like a woman - you only need to ask me once.
Ironside   
3 Apr 2016
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

However it's hard to deny that that law will affect women not men ergo women are more interested in it.

I don't see it this way after all it is nature that affect women more than men in this and a society balance it with a certain privileges being granted to women. Haven't seem them protesting much over that.

if I were a woman in Poland and got pregnant because [...] I was very poor

What being poor has to do with getting pregnant?

is the lesser of two evils

Really? So, according to your logic I should opt for morons that cannot keep up with argument or are contaminating people with their immoral standing should be eliminated because they endanger society with their stupid shyete? The lesser evil attitude is a slippery slope!

Apparently this picture is set as profile photo by more and more Facebook users

Someone has a medical problem methinks. :D

That's what Nowacka said- that this ban will hit poor women

Sure, and she cares so much about poor women that it kinda hits you in the face. (sarcasm)

I'm not panicking just yet but the vision of the future is getting scary.

What is that? Are you planning to sleep around without protection?

I don't think anyone can call it too lenient.

It was as they call it a comprise as not everyone in the society adhere to the same moral standard. Hence the reason I support it.

Before PiS came to power the morning after pill was available without prescription

Which in the way was against the law of the country. I would expect that those responsible should be persecuted for introducing such a law that allowed for that to happen..
Ironside   
3 Apr 2016
Genealogy / Are Sorbs Polish? Does anyone know about Sorbish enthnicity? [62]

I have only noticed that I haven't had answered the thread's question directly.
No Sorbs are not Polish. Yeah, I have heard that about those ten or five Serbs in the present day Germany that are all that remains of what's left from the Slavic tribes which dwelt between the river Oder and Elbe and were consequently conquered by the eastern marches of the eastern Frankish empire (what later used to be ruled by the Römisch-deutscher Kaiser - a strange fish if there is one).

Will they ever want to learn Gaelic properly?

You are confusing things here, Gaelic wasn't really a proper single Scottish language,(spoken in all four corners of Scotland) only some areas were using it.
Ironside   
3 Apr 2016
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Women already get ****** off.

Don't try to change it into men versus women contests because it is not.

Keep at Muhammed, you certainly seem to know best :)

What's that mangina?
Ironside   
3 Apr 2016
News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]

P3 you do realise that you a communist, circa 1970, don't you?

That is a painful example of reality disorder syndrome.

Nothing more to say, really.

Yes, your posts say it all.
Ironside   
3 Apr 2016
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Now I'm waiting for "massive demonstrations" of racing pigeons' owners.

Not funny at all, in this way they are creating news that in the following days are being miraculously transformed into 'facts' which in turn create illusion that 0,01% of Poles who partake in this circus are somehow representative of imaginary Polish opposition to the government. Without foreign founds those people wouldn't be able to bring to the streets more than three lame dogs.

Really, on this issue, the fellas should just keep out of it.

It would be even better if morons would have kept they traps firmly shut and would let people with brains sort it out between themselves. So what don't you pipe it down?
Ironside   
2 Apr 2016
News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]

designed to increase authoritarianism.

Yep, democracy and freedom of speech equals for you authoritarianism that is a typical progressive approach. Figures.
Ironside   
23 Mar 2016
Language / Nice Polish words to say to a girl [147]

'chocolate muffin'

Fair enough roz - a cute chocolate girl.
Can we all agree as to - You're crazy my cute chocolate girl?
Here a perfect translation:
Loca, me negrita!
Ironside   
22 Mar 2016
News / What is strategic meaning of Poland in Europe and in the world? [59]

Poland has no strategic meaning

Hmm... that what you think. Err ..? or you don't!

A simple way to work out whether a country is to work out what impact a country suddenly dissapearing would have on the world's economy

If I take above as an example of your thought process I doubt your ability to reason whiting the frame set by logical thinking. In other words abstract thinking is not your forte.

Countries like Haiti, Bangladesh etc fit this description

Hey, you stated your opinion without any argument or prove to support it. You know what they say about opinions - everybody has one.
Now fink me dong peasano.
Ironside   
22 Mar 2016
News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]

just not the type that believes that Poland is some sort of Christ-like figure.

What type they would be? I haven't meet anyone who believes in such a story. It belongs to the history and as such might be used sometimes as a rhetorical figure. Where did you take it from? A storage of lame excuses for a condescending dick?

There were even some in my local supermarket earlier, but they were obviously working here and not claiming asylum.

That is not the point. There is legislation and legal proceeding defining exactly to whom in what circumstances status of a refugee can be granted.

None of the people that found themselves in Greece or Germany fits a legally definition of a refugee. If so than every country can decide for themselves who is and who isn't a refugee. In that light Ukrainians in Poland can be called migrants, refugees or whatnot not just because Polish government chooses to call them so. In the same way German government chose to call illegal immigrants - migrants or refugees or asylum seekers.

The crux of the matter in the EU is that some countries/governments are trying to force onto others countries/governments in the EU their own particular definition of a refugee.

Their standing on the issue and their own reasoning is so full of holes and caveats that they resorted to hysterical propaganda.

And this is hardly a one-off situation but rather par for the course!.

Indeed.
Ironside   
22 Mar 2016
News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]

Please, stop listening

To you. You listen to anyone but Poles. Take every each side but Polish. Great friend you are.

As of January - there were 3 refugees from Ukraine and 200 under some sort of protection

If those middle eastern and whatnot people in Germany are refugees then by the measure of the same yardstick those Ukrainians in Poland are refugees too.
Ironside   
22 Mar 2016
Language / Nice Polish words to say to a girl [147]

'wariatko ty mojo czarnuszko

you're crazy my chocolate muffin - that better convey meaning

najsldszy czrnuchu'

sweetest darky.