UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [282]


Wow that is all sorted then. I'm sure that even in the 7th century they were voting Sinn Fein, sing Irish anthem and supported Celtic.

School history books make it simple for simple minded and you seem to fit well into that category. So have your way I don't really care that much about your perception. lol!

UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [282]


Why? Because your history books in a high school told you so? You know that those are rubbish as in a form or propagda?



That is a typical myth buliding exercise, that this or that and spin a tale about continuity. What is now was always there. That is a nonsense. If you pick on commonalities and similarities you could theoretically conctruct exsistance of European nation.

Look those nations which were without a state during the 19th century has even stronger claims to continuity that those which can fall back onto their statehood or a dynasty.

All you see as your national stuff and the way you see yourslef stared in the 1790'. Yes they bulided on prexisting cultural, human, historical base but if you ever talk to say 16th century not to mention 12th century 'irshman' you would find it that you have little in common.

UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [282]


Not much of the goings on in Ireland would affect Poland. Not a thing I would say unless we talk about Poles living there. Apart from that issue, I don't see any Ireland policies that would affect Poland.


Is not the same as the modern nation. Once we put legends and myths aside it is clear that a modern sense of national identity means something else than same tales, dancing jig rather then waltz did not make a dancer an Irish that think, act and feel in the same way as a modern Irish nationalist. The litterature on the subject is out there.


I said it about pagan Ireland and I insist that what I claim is a fact. What you claim is only your Irish legend.
Every country has the same legend about the past.

UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [282]


No, the thing is you don't pay attention and try to show off with a little that you know. I said that one island one nation concept is political, there is no general principle that states that on an island can be or should be only one nation or a state.

I never denied that Ireland is a country or a nation. You should have said it first before going into argument for argument sake just because you didn't like what you thought that I had said.


You can doubt all you want. Many peasants at the time around 1500 could read and write.


You know better than I. OK my honest reaction on what you wrote there was like : WTF is he trying to pull!?

UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [282]


I was being honest. I never met anyone who would say they want to be this or that, I think you made it up or confuse it with something else.


look, you don't know what you talking about, some form of self-indetification exsisted in the middleages, in Poland as well and they were writting in latin about natio and attachment to this or that land and people, kingdom.

I'm talking about modern concept of a nation and that started in the 18th century, before you had something else. Just read on this some.

UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [282]


I was being nice, to put it other way - you are delusional!


nosense - not always but from the 18th century.

UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [282]


News to me. Really lol?


That is not true. Due to partitions I would say it was from 1870 to 1905 that preocess took place. Otherwise in the 1920 Poland wouldn't have milion people in the army.


In folklore and religion they did differ from England but I would say that 1848 was that impulse that set a curse of their nationhood for good.

UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [282]


Projecting 19th century world view onto the past that what it is. Tribal Ireland and Irish nation are not one and the same and countinuity is in the mind of beholder.


Not because it is an island of Ireland that is my point.


Did not give a F about it. They had their own culture not christanity and along with that absorbed material achivemnts of the Roman Empire, bastrdised and with the local spin.

Yes Poland took Christanity and absorbed it culture somewhat latter. Still, a mirrow that claims to be the sun sound cheap!

UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [282]


That is a nonsense. Right to it was inherited by the Polish King and the call to take it over came from the people who lived there. There was no annexing of any kind.


Ireland was an island not a one country, with a tribal system and differnt tribes from there to a nation is rather a long ride. Nations formed in 18th and 19th centuries, some in 20th century. Talking about a one nation in the acient tribal times is ahistorical legend not a fact.


By the Russian Empire and now there is no Russian Empire but Russian Federation that was created about 30 years ago about the same time Ukrainie was created. They even signed agreement in 1997 that regognized each other territory. The same one Russia broke in 2014.

Off-Topic / Why do people here fight so much? [128]


It means you ancestors had a poor navigation skills if their progeny ended up as a Russian.


shame it could be usfull.

UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [282]


I don't. I understand you think that you are in the right and that an island is this or that because reasons.
I'm only telling you that it is your bias, as the claim to a territory can't be based around one island one nation principle you seems to fall back on. There is no universal principle that back that claim. It makes it political claim.

What is so hard to understand?
You do undersand that I do not care which way it will go, do you?
I don't stand in the way of whatever political solution or a war you think there should be.
I'm only saying that you make a lot of assumptions based on your point of view or your nation point of view. Ok?
By the way are your children Polish or Irish?

UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [282]


Poland lost it land only 77 years ago.


Sure but the bias I'm talking about is in assumption that being part of the island of Ireland equals being a part of the same politcal state. One state = one island is nothing more than a political claim not a rule.


It never is.

UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [282]


you told me - it WAS - I can undersand it Poland lost lot of the land that WAS Poland.
Yet on this forum it is OK to claim the right to some territory in Irealnd and the same sentyment is revanchism if it comes to Poland. Duble standards as I see it.


I mean people who consider themselves Irish as in being a part of the Irish nation.

UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [282]



Indeed 'was' like Lwów was center of Polish culture and a part of the Polish Crown since middle ages. Aslo it is a hugely important and significant part of Polish history and culture.

It is not now and hasn't been for centuries and Irish are minority there.


Why would I? It is in the north it must be even colder than in Dublin.

Po polsku / Jak zwykle chodzi o kasę! [48]


Kwestia wyboru i może pieniędzy. Nie to jest problemem, tylko to, że dufus dał się użyć do ruskiej propagandy, mógł nic nie mówić, albo niewiele.

UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [282]


So what? Doesn't mean it has be the same country. Slogan one island one country is a political slogan nothing more.
I mean I couldn't care less about the way it will go but on this point I like you to be aware that your postion is a political bias nothing more.

Off-Topic / Why do people here fight so much? [128]


That would make them Ukrainian or Polish or Belorusan, I guess they had a poor sense of direction. lol!


Can your scratch your back with it?

Off-Topic / Why do people here fight so much? [128]


There is not ethnic Russian. Your ancerstors came from Kiev but you don't have an ethncity and simply are citzen of the Rusians federation.


Oh come, she is from Russian that is normal.


I don't get it? Did they move to Kiev in 1650 or they were living there in 1650?

Life / POLISH MYTHS - let's debunk or prove them! [140]


it is a pie!

Off-Topic / Why do people here fight so much? [128]


Which answer is the right one? You see if you put it like that it seems that you don't know. If you ask about Poland I can answer right away and to the point.


No they can't!
Do you have some historical literture to support your claim? I'm not talking about books about history in a high school.


You are not Rus! That is a myth. How are you Rus?

Off-Topic / Why do people here fight so much? [128]


I don't confuse anything! Maybe you are able to show me Russian ethnicity, the land where they orginated and so fourth?
That there is no Russian nation is a fact,(nation - people united by common descent, ethnicity, history, culture).
In Russia:
descent - nope
ethnicity - nope
history - not really.
culture - what culture?
ethnicity is a nation without political self-organization and awarencess.
If there are no ethnicity there is no nation.

Off-Topic / Why do people here fight so much? [128]


yes you are becasue you are a citizen of the Russian Federation. There is no Russian ethnicity if there is, you can aswer that easily. Where is Russia? I mean Russian land of origin, your historical land?


What do you know? I would like to learn.

Off-Topic / Why do people here fight so much? [128]


OK! Have you get up off of your knees? As Putin said you would?
Don't forget about your elbows.


Yes they do as citizens of the Russian Federation. That has Dagestani, Chechens and many others people and republicks, there is no russian land, I only ask where is your historical land, what is your culture? I don't get any aswer. So there is no Russian nation.

Why people fight so much? Becasue if they start talking and they veer off the title of the thread that post in, they are being punshed their post deleted. It is left to a personal opinion of moderators here what is and what is not accaptable.

If you only fight, you are fine.

Po polsku / Polskie powiedzonka typu "Nie moja bajka"? [41]

nie moje rybki nie moje akwarium

Language / Short Polish<->English translations [1040]


It was used before 1939 (sowiecki) only after 1945 in PRL they started using radziecki for same reason.

Off-Topic / Best posters [875]


you should be careful with that monkey pox about.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


I guess you would support free abortion for all black and hispanic people? You should have said it openly.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


Claim that someone lies is a conspiracy according to you. That is very interesting.


So women killing their babies are good for a level of intelligence and critical thinking?
Bizzare.

News / Strip clubs raided in Poland [20]


BS , if that would be the case it would all have been run down into the ground. People are forced to make rational choices due to stupid laws. Some are crossing the line and should be stomped on by the law.

There is nothing special about it is an entrepreneurial spirit that in old post-comunist legal sphere is sometimes derailed into an old semi-criminal rut.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


They will. Reason one:
people don't undersand science or it implication
reason two they are lied to by their elites who have vested interest in supporting those laws, either political, monetary, or idological.
once people will grasp implication of the science on that issue, most will support change to laws. Seems to me that is happening in the USA right now.