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Bratwurst Boy   
13 Aug 2010
History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [259]

1400- the biggest medieval battle in the world, Grunwald in which Poland being the underdogs defeated the German Teutonic knights and saved Europe

Underdogs???

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grunwald

16.000 Commonwealth troops against 11.000 Knights...hardly the "underdog"

And Europe wasn't saved....it wasn't a european affair but a polish one!
And not only Poles:

Kingdom of Poland
Grand Duchy of Lithuania
Ruthenia,[2]
Masovia,[3]
Moldavia,[4]
Tartars,[5]
Czechs,
Bohemia,[1]
Moravia,[1]
Wallachia[6]

;)
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Aug 2010
History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [259]

You have a distorted view of Napoleon, personally my Hero. :)

Well, he was an enemy of Germany...an occupier...we have a huge building in Leipzig to remember the battle where the freedom loving people kicked Nappies ass! :)

Völkerschlachtdenkmal Leipzig

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monument_to_the_Battle_of_the_Nations

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Leipzig

:)
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Aug 2010
History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [259]

Speaking about the German past, why didn't you guys win the FIFA world cup ?

Yeah...:(
I believe Müller was missed...he would had made the goal needed to get us started.

Now I'll never get the cruise trip I wanted for the summer, thanks !

'msorry :(
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Aug 2010
History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [169]

However, don't underestimate the power of the globalists

Names...we want names Seanie! :)

The people saw the problems involved and asked their government to back off.

Norway is a special case...they are the european form of a desert-oil-country....able to make the life of their citizens paradisic just because they are sitting on oil.

Not fair compared to the majority of countries who have to toil hard for everything and surely not sustainable in the long run till either the oil runs out or the demand for it weakens in the wake of the growing green energy.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway

....a result of exploiting large oil and natural gas deposits that had been discovered in the North Sea and the Norwegian Sea. Today, Norway ranks as the third wealthiest country in the world in monetary value,[10][11][12] with the largest capital reserve per capita of any nation. Norway is the world's fifth largest oil exporter,[13] and the petroleum industry accounts for around a quarter of its Gross domestic product.[14]
...

They might really be better of alone as they would have to share their riches and not much to gain...compared to a poorer country which needs the support the EU can give.
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Aug 2010
History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [169]

Because of the historical ties with the Germans and the German language, puts up the federal state.

Before Luther we didn't even had a common german language ;)
Dialects ruled...

So therefor, you can't integrate 27 different people.. !

Not now, that's for sure...
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Aug 2010
History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [169]

I just hope he knows how to represent Poland well as he didn't show that with the missile shield.

100 Days...Seanie....give us your judgement after the first 100 days, okay? Then we can say better if he is okay or not...
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Aug 2010
History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [169]

That's too early to judge but the writing on the wall is that he will merely rubber stamp what Tusk proposes.

Well..I as a German see nothing wrong with that! ;)
He is surely an easier counterpart and better to work with than a germanophobe like Kaczinsky.
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Aug 2010
History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [169]

I just want what is best for Poland and its people, and make sure that what is polish, is kept polish, I love my country. :)

...and that you should!
Nothing wrong with that. :)

But I disagree with the belief that integration would mean loss of cultural identity.
Germany for examples lives with countless regional identities...heritage of centuries of being a plethorage of little Länder and Duchies. Countless customs, dialects, dishes, preferences, even national characteristics.

A federal Germany didn't destroy all that...we are Germans and still also Bavarians, Prussians, Swabians, Frisians etc...

So, why shouldn't that work in the bigger picture too?
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Aug 2010
History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [169]

I fear that the EU will encroach excessively into the lives of Poles and it all hinges on how 'certain things' pan out/unfold.

I'm against the "the EU will do this or that"-speak as if the Union is some faceless, monolithic monster we have no control over.

Curiosly the same people like to speak about the regional governments the same way...regular multi party free votings or not. ;)

If there are lives "encroached" by the EU it's the lives of the French and the Germans...founders and paymasters...but still most people wouldn't want to have it any other way. So it can't be that bad! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Aug 2010
History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [169]

But will that work, can a European integration overcome the national, which is needed to create such a thing ?

That my friend, is the big question! :)

I have no answer to that yet...
Some months back I would had said yes, we are able...generations after the last war...with open borders...the young generation growing up as Europeans...living, studying, marrying, working across the EU...

But then came the PIIG-crisis and I learned about myself that even the most pro-EU German harbors to much nationalism to be as selfless as needed to give up ones own national rights and the "we-first"-thinking! ;)

So how can we demand that from others what we ourselves aren't willing to give up?
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Aug 2010
History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [169]

Another good one, animated:

A good work...even a bit hard to follow for the longest part if one isn't so knowledgeable in polish history...but well done! :)

EU legislation overcomes with the commission, all national laws. That's why the resistance to the union is common, all over Europe specially in the Scandinavian countries.

Again...the same question...where do we want to go from here.
Do we like to keep it as not much more as a trading union or do we want to build a federal Europe?
That's a question for the next decades I think...

PS: Some people can see the advantages of a federal Europe that can compete with the powerblocs of US, China or Russia...something a mere trade union just can't!
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Aug 2010
History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [169]

And here we have an interesting fact. Why did the western leaders agree to grant even more money to Poland, under the meetings in Copenhagen in 2002 ? Because of the economic development each year, which brings benefits for the union.

They already then knew, that Poland would be one of the highest developed countries in Europe because of its size, geographic and market.

One of the main pillars of the EU is to support weaker economies to spread peace, prosperity and stability on the continent.
All sides are going to be the winner because of that!

I'm not totally against the EU, I'm just making a point about Eu's authority, legally speaking.

What exactly?
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Aug 2010
History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [169]

You also have a federal level in the States which shows variations.

That's exactly the current problem Seanie...where do we want to go from here?

Do we want an US of Europe? A federalist EU with much more power to the EU parliament...with a REAL president and a REAL foreign minister (not to mention the same policies for all?)

Right now many wish for the contrary...much more power to the countries, a weak Brussel...no real heads (they are perfectly happy with insignificant Rumpoy and Ashton as mere figureheads without any power).

There is a reason why they are more busy with ordering the size of the gherkins than to build a common foreign, defense or energy policy.

What do we want? But one thing is for sure, we can't have it both ways. So be careful if you point to federal countries like the US or Germany...they are totally different from the EU and we can't go there if the people don't want it.
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Aug 2010
History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [259]

Well...again....Poland wasn't alone in this...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

On the other hand Poles had been allies to Napoleon who was about to conquer and enslave Europe and had to be beaten by an alliance...so that balances it out somewhat. ;)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Waterloo

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Legions_(Napoleonic_period)
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Aug 2010
History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [169]

I'm with you though, Poland should leave the EU and return all the money that the government and its people were granted.

Then Germany would again get a poor and unstable neighbour....we so don't want that! :(
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Aug 2010
History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [169]

An exit from the union is not the same as an isolation.

...no, but getting into quarrels with your neighbours because of territories would be!

The result of a membership in the union, is a deterioration of the national sovereignty. A common factor in the union.

Well...what's the point of being in a union if not adhering to commonly agreed laws and ways?
Both...being in and outside of a union has advantages and disadvantages...what advantages would being outside of the EU have for Poland?

Poland is no Switzerland!

So I would say, reform the union or make an exit.

What for reforms should it be?

PS: Reforming is best done from the inside ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Aug 2010
History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [169]

The way I see it, Poland shouldn't have a government who sells the country out to the EU. We should demand our Ukrainian land back, if Russia ever is suppose to work with us.

Such a policy would isolate Poland in Europe...what good would that do the polish people?

Would such a government really have the best of it's people in mind?
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [304]

You know you pop up with these things over and over again.

Nun ja...should I forget about them? As you should about KZ's and the Holocaust???

I know that I am right, but try and convince ppl like that

Well....good for the rest that you know it at least! :)

And do me a favour, don't call me commie again, as I am not a commie

I don't think you are a commie...I think you just don't know the difference between Social Democracy, Socialism and Communism and their cousins who come in different forms. You call yourself left and think about poor third world farmer who starve and want to help them to make the world better.

You have no idea what living in Socialism actually means...I don't blame you.

Maybe we should just leave it at that!
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [304]

Their economics or their militairy ventures/racial ideology?

You mean compared to Holodomor, Gulags and the Berlin Wall???

;)

There is no point in discussing with sb who is so convinced of their own wrong ideas.

Well..you failed to convince any of us about the "wrongness" of our ideas...I hope I won't have to visit an re-education camp now...;)
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [304]

A good example is that nonsense that Hitler and his Nazis were left-wingers

Hey...the thread to discuss that is that way ---->

Using elements of Socialism doesn't make you a Socialist,

Sure it does!

When I start to wear a Swastika and use slogans about the Yid you would call me a Nazi, wouldn't you...and why? Because I use elements of the national-socialists...
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

The same ukrainian people who were starved to death during the Stalin holodomor?
The same Ukrainians who did greet the Wehrmacht with salt and bread as their liberators from Soviet rule???

Somewhat hard to believe...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian-German_collaboration_during_World_War_II

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend!"
Nothing new here...WWII was full of that.
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

Just read:

"Getting history wrong is part of being a nation."

Joseph-Ernest Renan (France)

...boy is he right!

he then adds:

"National identities are about sheltering us from the truth. National myths twist the facts of history to fit political needs. And they do so not through a positive evocation of identity but through the denigration of others, through creating hostility and fear."

Bratwurst Boy   
31 Jul 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

People, who spoke Ukrainian on the daily basis were polonised or were either forced or convinced to convert to Catholic faith.

Kulturkampf! ;)

. Any assault on people's religous sites, the most

Oh please, how do you think Christianity came to Europe in the first place?
Ask the millions converted by force, or beheaded or burned at stakes if they still resisted...
Christians have no reasons to whine at all! They only get back some of their medicine they once dished out.