Dougpol1
30 Jan 2018
Dougpol1
28 Jan 2018
News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]
He he:) The Germans needed some good roads in Poland to deliver their badged goods to Kaufland. And could somebody please tell that bloody shop to stop with the silly jingle. At least I never had to listen to such rubbish at Spoolem in the '80s :))
das is goot yah dis polen getinzy the shizen.
He he:) The Germans needed some good roads in Poland to deliver their badged goods to Kaufland. And could somebody please tell that bloody shop to stop with the silly jingle. At least I never had to listen to such rubbish at Spoolem in the '80s :))
Dougpol1
28 Jan 2018
News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]
Yes I am. Britain can afford to do the decent thing. Poland is way behind, can't afford socialism, or PIS's brand of, and people should be tightening their belts and not spending what they can't afford. It's my money.
So I take it you have never run a S.C. here Dolno? Otherwise you wouldn't make such a statement shirley?
I am a (British) socialist
Yes I am. Britain can afford to do the decent thing. Poland is way behind, can't afford socialism, or PIS's brand of, and people should be tightening their belts and not spending what they can't afford. It's my money.
whats wrong with zus and taxes the rate for what you get seems fair to me.
So I take it you have never run a S.C. here Dolno? Otherwise you wouldn't make such a statement shirley?
Dougpol1
28 Jan 2018
News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]
Dirk. You have never lived here have you? I say again - ALL of the modern infrastructure revolution is paid for at least 2/3 out of EU funds. Without that Poland would still be in the dark ages aka commie land.
But a poster who enjoys arguing with himself can't see that simple fact. Probably because you don't know Poland. A long time ago I posted a picture of the by-pass that goes from Gdynia port up to the ring road. It stretches for 7 kilometres, crosses moraines, rises 350 metre or whatever, and is a terchnological marvel. As well as being totally necessary.
It cost 100,000,000 of those Brussels notes. The EU paid two thirds. Without that, the streets of Gdynia would still be blocked with container juggernauts. And it wouldn't have been built with out the EU. That is no slight on Poles and Poland. Where the holy crap would the money be coming from for all this?
Just a little appreciation of people who help to make your life a bit easier, getting to work, to play etc, a little bit faster, and safer wouldn't go amiss.
Oh! I forgot! You don't live here! But you feel fit to comment on OUR lives every single evening. Why aren't you on a Chicago forum or something instead? Just a thought....Here to help.
Hence it's 97% of it is our successes as Polish people.
Dirk. You have never lived here have you? I say again - ALL of the modern infrastructure revolution is paid for at least 2/3 out of EU funds. Without that Poland would still be in the dark ages aka commie land.
But a poster who enjoys arguing with himself can't see that simple fact. Probably because you don't know Poland. A long time ago I posted a picture of the by-pass that goes from Gdynia port up to the ring road. It stretches for 7 kilometres, crosses moraines, rises 350 metre or whatever, and is a terchnological marvel. As well as being totally necessary.
It cost 100,000,000 of those Brussels notes. The EU paid two thirds. Without that, the streets of Gdynia would still be blocked with container juggernauts. And it wouldn't have been built with out the EU. That is no slight on Poles and Poland. Where the holy crap would the money be coming from for all this?
Just a little appreciation of people who help to make your life a bit easier, getting to work, to play etc, a little bit faster, and safer wouldn't go amiss.
Oh! I forgot! You don't live here! But you feel fit to comment on OUR lives every single evening. Why aren't you on a Chicago forum or something instead? Just a thought....Here to help.
Dougpol1
28 Jan 2018
News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]
They didn't? LOL.
The average Polish salary when I was married in the 80s was 40 dollars a month. You do the maths. My point was that the EU rescued Poland's infrastructure - something the country would not have been able to do on it's own thanks to an inability to use the right mix of concrete on its prior construction.
Probably because of widespread corruption ? Just a guess :)))
.Poland wasn't/isn't some African or Asian country where the majority of people lived on a dollar or two a day.........th
They didn't? LOL.
The average Polish salary when I was married in the 80s was 40 dollars a month. You do the maths. My point was that the EU rescued Poland's infrastructure - something the country would not have been able to do on it's own thanks to an inability to use the right mix of concrete on its prior construction.
Probably because of widespread corruption ? Just a guess :)))
Dougpol1
28 Jan 2018
News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]
PIS are a socialist party economically. What is it about that fact that is so hard to grasp? So what exactly makes me a socialist? If you mean I care about freedoms, then sure. I hate the Katowice police and would set the dog on them, if he could bite, but that's anarchistic, not socialism. I would like nurses and teachers to be paid properly, if they would only help themselves, but that's not socialism. I care about refugees, who are fleeing persecution and death. That's humanism, not socialism. I hate ZUS and unfairly high taxes - that's not socialism.
So, where's the socialism?:))
Please don't twist my words Dirk - I was so clearly referring to infrastructure pre-2004
just a plain socialist
PIS are a socialist party economically. What is it about that fact that is so hard to grasp? So what exactly makes me a socialist? If you mean I care about freedoms, then sure. I hate the Katowice police and would set the dog on them, if he could bite, but that's anarchistic, not socialism. I would like nurses and teachers to be paid properly, if they would only help themselves, but that's not socialism. I care about refugees, who are fleeing persecution and death. That's humanism, not socialism. I hate ZUS and unfairly high taxes - that's not socialism.
So, where's the socialism?:))
Just because a foreign company is paying more than the local ones does not make a country in shambles.
Please don't twist my words Dirk - I was so clearly referring to infrastructure pre-2004
Dougpol1
28 Jan 2018
News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]
?? Not a communist Dolno - I hated the SLD and Miller. I leave it to you Poles to stupidly put old communists, that you managed to oust at one time, back in power, and also buy Jaruzelski's book by the millions when he should have been lynched by the mob.
A case of the kettle calling the pot black I feel with regard to any left wing inclinations.
You don't get more left wing than handing out 500zl times 4 willy-nilly to every layabout with 5 children who can't provide for them himself mainly because he doesn't get up early enough.
As cms says , you weren't here pre 2004. Poland was a shambles, and would still be so today without the 66 percent that made modern infrastructure possible, plus the multi-nationals with real jobs. Don;t believe me? Ask any professional what he was offered at interview for a multi, and ask him what the Polish competitor offered him. They simply cannnot compete on remuneration. A fact of life, and who cares in the UK if Tesco is British, or jewish, or Swahali? The world has changed. Some people never grow up with it, but luckily money talks.
I think Dougpo also chose to join the commie regime but in his case it is understandable as a socialist, shame it all went wrong for him.
?? Not a communist Dolno - I hated the SLD and Miller. I leave it to you Poles to stupidly put old communists, that you managed to oust at one time, back in power, and also buy Jaruzelski's book by the millions when he should have been lynched by the mob.
A case of the kettle calling the pot black I feel with regard to any left wing inclinations.
You don't get more left wing than handing out 500zl times 4 willy-nilly to every layabout with 5 children who can't provide for them himself mainly because he doesn't get up early enough.
As cms says , you weren't here pre 2004. Poland was a shambles, and would still be so today without the 66 percent that made modern infrastructure possible, plus the multi-nationals with real jobs. Don;t believe me? Ask any professional what he was offered at interview for a multi, and ask him what the Polish competitor offered him. They simply cannnot compete on remuneration. A fact of life, and who cares in the UK if Tesco is British, or jewish, or Swahali? The world has changed. Some people never grow up with it, but luckily money talks.
Dougpol1
18 Jan 2018
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
I am not having that Chemikiem. That is simply not true.
There is NO regard.
all that matters is a live birth, there seems to be little regard as to what sort of life the child will have.
I am not having that Chemikiem. That is simply not true.
There is NO regard.
Dougpol1
13 Jan 2018
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
But do you really think so? Maybe in a Scandinavian state? In the UK - nah. Not going to happen. Happy to be corrected. Or not happy if so - sense of proportion here?
Clearly those people are barking too. Unless it is taken out of context?
I'm gonna go
But do you really think so? Maybe in a Scandinavian state? In the UK - nah. Not going to happen. Happy to be corrected. Or not happy if so - sense of proportion here?
libtard madness
Clearly those people are barking too. Unless it is taken out of context?
Dougpol1
13 Jan 2018
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
Catholicism is a disaster for any modern state. You can philosophise as much as you want, but at the end of the day, people will always do what is best for them.
Catholicism is a philosophical answer to to moral/ethical questions.
Catholicism is a disaster for any modern state. You can philosophise as much as you want, but at the end of the day, people will always do what is best for them.
Dougpol1
13 Jan 2018
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
My wife and daughter for a start Ironside. Are you calling my family? I hope not youth. :) And millions of others are appalled every time PIS open their mouths and pour out their filth. It doesn't really matter though - it's only a PIS sideshow. The electorate is so dumb that they don't notice the real **** show that is going on here.
You wouldn't know about that of course - because you don't live here, so your opinion is void. You still haven't answered my query about your opinion of Norwegian women and their pro-choice lives.
Of course not. Nobody is being murdered. I don't understand your point.
Commies on stake!
My wife and daughter for a start Ironside. Are you calling my family? I hope not youth. :) And millions of others are appalled every time PIS open their mouths and pour out their filth. It doesn't really matter though - it's only a PIS sideshow. The electorate is so dumb that they don't notice the real **** show that is going on here.
You wouldn't know about that of course - because you don't live here, so your opinion is void. You still haven't answered my query about your opinion of Norwegian women and their pro-choice lives.
financial situation should not be an excuse for murder
Of course not. Nobody is being murdered. I don't understand your point.
Dougpol1
13 Jan 2018
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
I really don't know Gregy. We can admire the inborn chemistry of women in the developed world who choose to give birth to seriously disabled babies, and mother them, and here that is often a life sentence for many poorer mothers.
In a richer society, say America, the mother gets high tech help and a large insurance payout. I have no idea what happens here. I just watch people struggling - and it's invariably the grandmother left holding the baby - because she is "closer to God."
It's the blatant hypocrisy of these politicians that sticks in the gullet, trumped up clerks who patently do not care for the humanity of the family in question, but only for an unattainable ideal.
society look after sick and disable humans
I really don't know Gregy. We can admire the inborn chemistry of women in the developed world who choose to give birth to seriously disabled babies, and mother them, and here that is often a life sentence for many poorer mothers.
In a richer society, say America, the mother gets high tech help and a large insurance payout. I have no idea what happens here. I just watch people struggling - and it's invariably the grandmother left holding the baby - because she is "closer to God."
It's the blatant hypocrisy of these politicians that sticks in the gullet, trumped up clerks who patently do not care for the humanity of the family in question, but only for an unattainable ideal.
Dougpol1
13 Jan 2018
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
"What are you doing this weekend Agnieszka"?
"Anna....me and my partner are devastated to tell you that our baby has been found to be brain dead and I'm having an abortion......"
"Oh, wow! Really!? You're defying the establishment? But are you sure you're doing the right thing morally by God?"
"Go **** yourself you sick medieval weirdo...etc etc etc....."
trying to convince women to not have them
"What are you doing this weekend Agnieszka"?
"Anna....me and my partner are devastated to tell you that our baby has been found to be brain dead and I'm having an abortion......"
"Oh, wow! Really!? You're defying the establishment? But are you sure you're doing the right thing morally by God?"
"Go **** yourself you sick medieval weirdo...etc etc etc....."
Dougpol1
13 Jan 2018
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
An inferior intelligence, in the guise of a government, lords it over its' citizens. What about women's rights in Norway Ironside? Doesn't it make you sick that women are free to live their lives as they wish to do?
Lol. You are a berk:)
An inferior intelligence, in the guise of a government, lords it over its' citizens. What about women's rights in Norway Ironside? Doesn't it make you sick that women are free to live their lives as they wish to do?
Lol. You are a berk:)
Dougpol1
13 Jan 2018
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
....to look around and see that you are not in fact in Poland, and that normal (not catholic conservative) modern women here certainly do not share your right-wing views that government should be allowed to interfere with their bodies, their rights.
It might came as a shock to you
....to look around and see that you are not in fact in Poland, and that normal (not catholic conservative) modern women here certainly do not share your right-wing views that government should be allowed to interfere with their bodies, their rights.
Dougpol1
13 Jan 2018
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
As Maf says, it's just PIS messing with people's rights, and trying to obfuscate the bigger picture, which is fooling many Poles and brainwashing them all over again.
PiS seem determined to get their way
As Maf says, it's just PIS messing with people's rights, and trying to obfuscate the bigger picture, which is fooling many Poles and brainwashing them all over again.
Dougpol1
11 Jan 2018
Dougpol1
24 Dec 2017
Food / 'Wigilia', the traditional Christmas Eve supper in Poland [77]
There is no catholic tradition for no meat Ironside. Just a Polish/Slav invention?
Tradition.
There is no catholic tradition for no meat Ironside. Just a Polish/Slav invention?
Dougpol1
24 Dec 2017
Food / 'Wigilia', the traditional Christmas Eve supper in Poland [77]
Just asked my daughter in the kitchen.... (lives in Spain - Catalonia rather.....) They eat meat. She suggests Poles like to be miserable:))
Anyone know?
Just asked my daughter in the kitchen.... (lives in Spain - Catalonia rather.....) They eat meat. She suggests Poles like to be miserable:))
Dougpol1
20 Dec 2017
News / EU triggers Article 7, could strip Poland of voting rights [91]
And if you knew anything about incentive, you would realise that this is going to create a new generation dependent on the state. What happens when the well runs dry and there is no more 500 anything?
The 500 plus is not about people having three or four kids, as only the poorer in society will play that game, And they will stay poor if they expect the state to be responsible for them. How much would 500 zl buy for your kids Ironside? Or, more to the point, how much can the father drink?
Answer my question, why not raise the tax threshold? Not a vote winner, as that would mean working for a living to feed those kids?
to offer incentive to Polish people to procreate.
And if you knew anything about incentive, you would realise that this is going to create a new generation dependent on the state. What happens when the well runs dry and there is no more 500 anything?
The 500 plus is not about people having three or four kids, as only the poorer in society will play that game, And they will stay poor if they expect the state to be responsible for them. How much would 500 zl buy for your kids Ironside? Or, more to the point, how much can the father drink?
Answer my question, why not raise the tax threshold? Not a vote winner, as that would mean working for a living to feed those kids?
Dougpol1
20 Dec 2017
News / EU triggers Article 7, could strip Poland of voting rights [91]
If PIS really cared about poor families, then they would raise the threshold for zero percent tax to 40,000 zl a year for a married couple with two kids. What is it now? 8,000? They're having a laugh. Instead there is an incentive for layabout behaviour and abdication of responsibility.
What is the point of middle class families having a savings account for their children from the 500? We could go on and on, Of course it is a vote winner; people love a handout.
The very children who "benefit" will be the generation paying for this governments' waste. As before, re: the EU, we remember the shitehole that large swathes of |Poland was before EU grants started clearing away 40 years of totalitarian nonsense. It's going to take 3 generations to clear up the mess as it is, without giving freebies away with a packet of Kelloggs cornflakes. Instead Poles with no real economic manifesto blether on about "sovereignty" and "our country".
Bunch of schoolboys. Like Dilbert, avoid criticism. Do nothing to build a sustainable economy instead.
Give people the chance to earn, and spend their money as they choose, and the freedom to stay safe from this ranting madman Ziobro and his paranoid gang, and Poles will always rise to the top. Instead, we have this new Prime minister, if I understand him right, promising to cut the health service (at least 11 percent of GDP should be spent on health, instead of playing these populist games with the economy IMO)
Bloody hell gumishu, you will get me drinking again at this rate:))
do you prefer this money spent on poor families
If PIS really cared about poor families, then they would raise the threshold for zero percent tax to 40,000 zl a year for a married couple with two kids. What is it now? 8,000? They're having a laugh. Instead there is an incentive for layabout behaviour and abdication of responsibility.
What is the point of middle class families having a savings account for their children from the 500? We could go on and on, Of course it is a vote winner; people love a handout.
The very children who "benefit" will be the generation paying for this governments' waste. As before, re: the EU, we remember the shitehole that large swathes of |Poland was before EU grants started clearing away 40 years of totalitarian nonsense. It's going to take 3 generations to clear up the mess as it is, without giving freebies away with a packet of Kelloggs cornflakes. Instead Poles with no real economic manifesto blether on about "sovereignty" and "our country".
Bunch of schoolboys. Like Dilbert, avoid criticism. Do nothing to build a sustainable economy instead.
Give people the chance to earn, and spend their money as they choose, and the freedom to stay safe from this ranting madman Ziobro and his paranoid gang, and Poles will always rise to the top. Instead, we have this new Prime minister, if I understand him right, promising to cut the health service (at least 11 percent of GDP should be spent on health, instead of playing these populist games with the economy IMO)
Bloody hell gumishu, you will get me drinking again at this rate:))
Dougpol1
20 Dec 2017
News / EU triggers Article 7, could strip Poland of voting rights [91]
I believe there was one family posing for a photo with the man himself on Duda's website, thanking him for "rescuing" them from poverty. 7 kids if I remember rightly. It's so easy to be magnanimous with other people's money.
how many families with 7 kids do you know
I believe there was one family posing for a photo with the man himself on Duda's website, thanking him for "rescuing" them from poverty. 7 kids if I remember rightly. It's so easy to be magnanimous with other people's money.
Dougpol1
20 Dec 2017
News / EU triggers Article 7, could strip Poland of voting rights [91]
To hand out my money to people who have 7 kids and are too lazy to work for a living?
what PiS want
To hand out my money to people who have 7 kids and are too lazy to work for a living?
Dougpol1
21 Oct 2017
Life / Gdansk Tips for Person relocating there [26]
Bring a long coat and the Goretex. Not known as the windy city for nothing. Excellent transport links. A car is a waste of money if not for lifestyle. Live in Gdansk if young, Gdynia if older, Sopot if rich/daft.
What sort of accomodation? Depends what you like. Try to get a flat with a sea view. Otherwise, what is the point of living here? If monied, condos in Gdansk Jelitkowo or Brzezno if you like the coast I guess....Wrzeszcz or the Old Town if you like older type buildings....or the other side of the ring road if you like forest and countryside (then you need a car....)
My experience? Gdansk is great in summer, tedious in winter.
gdansk
Bring a long coat and the Goretex. Not known as the windy city for nothing. Excellent transport links. A car is a waste of money if not for lifestyle. Live in Gdansk if young, Gdynia if older, Sopot if rich/daft.
What sort of accomodation? Depends what you like. Try to get a flat with a sea view. Otherwise, what is the point of living here? If monied, condos in Gdansk Jelitkowo or Brzezno if you like the coast I guess....Wrzeszcz or the Old Town if you like older type buildings....or the other side of the ring road if you like forest and countryside (then you need a car....)
My experience? Gdansk is great in summer, tedious in winter.
Dougpol1
1 Oct 2017
News / Poland's deputy minister Szmit resigns due to fatal road accident statistics... [11]
Exactly. Which is why, in the UK, where people learn to drive properly, the driving instructor beats it into you "Proceed according to the road conditions."
Ergo - that means NOT driving along country roads at 120 km an hour because said dog, tractor or something else do pop there. To regulation.
It's not rocket science, but people driving on Polish roads have a death wish (and often kill someone else).
Said people should be put behind bars for a long time and served liquid porridge due to their broken teeth.
Also the 24 point penalty system is a sick joke designed to legitimise bribes. I accumulated 12 points one year, by trying really hard to be a dick. That should be a 3 month ban to concentrate the mind.
you never know when some dog, tractor, or something else is going to pop up driving through the wioski.
Exactly. Which is why, in the UK, where people learn to drive properly, the driving instructor beats it into you "Proceed according to the road conditions."
Ergo - that means NOT driving along country roads at 120 km an hour because said dog, tractor or something else do pop there. To regulation.
It's not rocket science, but people driving on Polish roads have a death wish (and often kill someone else).
Said people should be put behind bars for a long time and served liquid porridge due to their broken teeth.
Also the 24 point penalty system is a sick joke designed to legitimise bribes. I accumulated 12 points one year, by trying really hard to be a dick. That should be a 3 month ban to concentrate the mind.
Dougpol1
6 Sep 2017
Life / Help me find this Polish band and song.... [117]
Niech mówią, że to nie jest miłość
identify this song
Niech mówią, że to nie jest miłość
Dougpol1
4 Sep 2017
UK, Ireland / Racist who hurled abuse at Eastern Europeans shouting 'This is England' [17]
Just back from the pub Dolno, but please......:)) I almost choked on my AleBrowar beer. There is no benefit in a comparison. We have both lived in both countries and you would know that the UK was always the sanctuary of choice.
Poland was religiously and racially tolerant until the 20th century.........but when we talk of modern times is a disgrace.
Not going to return to previous times on this board and not going to comment further on your facile assumption.
At least Poland is racially tolerant
Just back from the pub Dolno, but please......:)) I almost choked on my AleBrowar beer. There is no benefit in a comparison. We have both lived in both countries and you would know that the UK was always the sanctuary of choice.
Poland was religiously and racially tolerant until the 20th century.........but when we talk of modern times is a disgrace.
Not going to return to previous times on this board and not going to comment further on your facile assumption.
Dougpol1
30 Jul 2017
News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]
Don't be so naive Pol. We all send poisonous pen letters, in that we give an opinion of our subordinates when pressed. 24 people, you say? What about the 38 million who have a democratic system today because of the bravery of Walesa and his group....?
Oh wait... you and the other jokers want to take that democracy away again. Lol
The truth, staring PIS in the face, is that that Polish youth will never allow their abuse of the constitution, and in 2 months the government will again be faced with that fact. The Prime Minister says that the street can never decide policy. She is so palpably wrong, because history validates that axiom.
Good luck!
Dunno if you read Polish but Wałęsa "Bolek" snitched to the SB not only about the general mood at the yard's W-4 section harmed at least 24 of his workmates.
Don't be so naive Pol. We all send poisonous pen letters, in that we give an opinion of our subordinates when pressed. 24 people, you say? What about the 38 million who have a democratic system today because of the bravery of Walesa and his group....?
Oh wait... you and the other jokers want to take that democracy away again. Lol
The truth, staring PIS in the face, is that that Polish youth will never allow their abuse of the constitution, and in 2 months the government will again be faced with that fact. The Prime Minister says that the street can never decide policy. She is so palpably wrong, because history validates that axiom.
Good luck!
Dougpol1
29 Jul 2017
News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]
Don't be silly gregy741. Without the charisma of Walesa, who was intelligent enough to successfully engage with the government delegation sent to the Lenin shipyard, the Solidarity movement wouldn't have had the effect that it did.
When you talk about criminal activities, those belong to the Kisczaks and Jarelzelskis of that world, and the Kaczynkis in the present era, IMO, but Poles are so weird that you just buy their memoirs by the shedload and let them be, while vilifying a man who is internationally recognised as a patriot and a hero who was there, whilst many, many Poles cowered, and did absolutely sweet **** all to challenge the system, or openly said " communism doesn't affect me", or " It really wasn't as bad as all that - we had freedoms.." That was my view of it back then in Kato anyway.
It was all so very complex back then as to who was doing what, who signed what and why (and what would we have done under pressure) but for the PIS nomenclature to cast stones at Walesa doesn't hold water on the world stage as he is twice the man they will ever be.
Pertaining to the signing of forms or agreements, PIS and it's 18 percent want to snitch on our freedoms, so your point about Walesa in 1970 potentially reporting on what colour coded socks his pals were wearing in the shipyard canteen is today mute.
If Walesa was British he would be refused the obligation to pay his restaurant bills. But Poles just enjoy negativity and the glass half empty view.
many people suffered greatly cus of hes criminal activities(snitching)
Don't be silly gregy741. Without the charisma of Walesa, who was intelligent enough to successfully engage with the government delegation sent to the Lenin shipyard, the Solidarity movement wouldn't have had the effect that it did.
When you talk about criminal activities, those belong to the Kisczaks and Jarelzelskis of that world, and the Kaczynkis in the present era, IMO, but Poles are so weird that you just buy their memoirs by the shedload and let them be, while vilifying a man who is internationally recognised as a patriot and a hero who was there, whilst many, many Poles cowered, and did absolutely sweet **** all to challenge the system, or openly said " communism doesn't affect me", or " It really wasn't as bad as all that - we had freedoms.." That was my view of it back then in Kato anyway.
It was all so very complex back then as to who was doing what, who signed what and why (and what would we have done under pressure) but for the PIS nomenclature to cast stones at Walesa doesn't hold water on the world stage as he is twice the man they will ever be.
Pertaining to the signing of forms or agreements, PIS and it's 18 percent want to snitch on our freedoms, so your point about Walesa in 1970 potentially reporting on what colour coded socks his pals were wearing in the shipyard canteen is today mute.
If Walesa was British he would be refused the obligation to pay his restaurant bills. But Poles just enjoy negativity and the glass half empty view.
Dougpol1
21 Jul 2017
News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]
Yes jon, it's very much looking like game over for Ziobro, and for his criminal plans. We can confidently predict that Polonious and others will soon be eating humble pie, and let's hope that Article 7 is not invoked for collective punishment.
History shows that when people consistently go on the streets, rogue legislation is toast. And when PIS are defeated, a whole crowd of them will beliable to criminal proceedings. We look forward to that day.
It looks like it could be over for the current regime
Yes jon, it's very much looking like game over for Ziobro, and for his criminal plans. We can confidently predict that Polonious and others will soon be eating humble pie, and let's hope that Article 7 is not invoked for collective punishment.
History shows that when people consistently go on the streets, rogue legislation is toast. And when PIS are defeated, a whole crowd of them will beliable to criminal proceedings. We look forward to that day.