Crow
25 Jan 2015
Life / Are Poles mentally more Eastern European or Western European? [170]
Listen then Szalawa,... one don`t need to be especially intelligent to notice obvious things,... since i first time entered on the internet forums, years ago, i sow how Slavs behave inferior and seam incompetent, compared to people from the west of Europe or USA, especially when it come to historical issues (that are often theme on the net; everything intersects with history; you even can`t talk about politics without knowing history). i sow that it was not incompetence or inferiority to the the lack of knowledge in the sense of formal education but, it was rather due to the distorted knowledge that generated complexes in Slavs so that they lack self-confidence.
On the other hand, it was shocking how are personalities from the west of Europe self confident when it comes to their position in history. They seams to feel to have deep roots in Europe. They felt true European, true masters of this land. They were and are truly self confident.
Then, answer came to me. i realized what is the Slavic problem. Problem was/is that Slavs didn `t write their own history. No, our societies, in our defeats and misery, accepted foreign version of the Slavic history. Of course, when foreigners who were traditionally hostile on Slavs, with ambition to control them in the future, wrote Slavic history, they wrote it as it was suitable to them. Deep in the root of the ruling historical school we can recognize genesis of the Slavic inferiority. Take just this example... how could Slavic man prove anything (that is related to history/politics) to the people from the west of Europe, when Slavic person received education which state that are Slavs newcomers to Europe and, at the same time, person from the west of Europe knows (!) of its European roots and knows (!) of Slavs as newcomers to Europe?
See, my friend Szalawa, to me who was grown up in Yugoslavia and received knowledge in that vast and, in its time powerful Slavic state, that situation of the inferior Slavic behavior on the net and, at the same time, self confident (even overconfident) western Europeans, ... that situation was blasphemous to me. Yes, Yugoslavia was also victim of the pro-Germanic historical school but still, parallel with formal teachings we got insights into the all kind of new questions and hypothesis that were initiated by numerous authors (Slavic and non-Slavic) who dared to ask how is possible to state that are Slavs newcomers to Europe when there are obvious proofs that are Slavs, if not first Europeans to Europe then at least equally old Europeans as people from the west of Europe.
You see, you yourself noticed that tone of this thread.
So, respond to the any situation that question Slavic deep European roots, must go with full self-confidence in high Slavic place in European history. And, with the reason. For Slavs are last true native Europeans. No, not just in the physical sense. All ethnic Europeans who now inhabit Europe are physically of European roots but, only Slavs can dare to state that their Slavic culture have continuity with original Western world that gave birth to European culture.
Western world was born on the line Balkan-Baltic, in time immemorial. Old core was Balkan and last known core was in Poland. It died out with defeat of the medieval Commonwealth around Poland. So, modern Poland is natural inheritor of that last Western core.
That original ancient Western world influenced all other parts of Europe: Greeks, Romans, ... Romans in turn influenced Romano-Brits, Germanics, etc. Also, old Western world was in interaction with the Romans.
But, together with the influences from old original Western world, parts of Europe received other influences. One of those major influences that affected character of the culture as a whole was Egyptian influence. One simple can`t comprehend Roman culture without understanding Egyptian influences on it. On the other side, old Western world is still recognizable as the unique entity, attached solely to the its own continuity, even from before Neolithic to the our days. Yes, old original West was influenced by Romans (in mutual interdependence), by Persians, by Jews, by Mongols, by Turks, by Germanics, .... still, it preserved its own recognizable uniqueness, that clear Proto-Slavic and Slavic pattern.
So, answer would be positive. Today`s Europe consists of two entities, two major cultural patterns- west of Europe and Slavic Europe (ie Western world).
It's hard to decipher your cryptic writing at times crow, only if you could express yourself to a greater audience my friend. You have a hidden intelligence most people here just don't see.
Listen then Szalawa,... one don`t need to be especially intelligent to notice obvious things,... since i first time entered on the internet forums, years ago, i sow how Slavs behave inferior and seam incompetent, compared to people from the west of Europe or USA, especially when it come to historical issues (that are often theme on the net; everything intersects with history; you even can`t talk about politics without knowing history). i sow that it was not incompetence or inferiority to the the lack of knowledge in the sense of formal education but, it was rather due to the distorted knowledge that generated complexes in Slavs so that they lack self-confidence.
On the other hand, it was shocking how are personalities from the west of Europe self confident when it comes to their position in history. They seams to feel to have deep roots in Europe. They felt true European, true masters of this land. They were and are truly self confident.
Then, answer came to me. i realized what is the Slavic problem. Problem was/is that Slavs didn `t write their own history. No, our societies, in our defeats and misery, accepted foreign version of the Slavic history. Of course, when foreigners who were traditionally hostile on Slavs, with ambition to control them in the future, wrote Slavic history, they wrote it as it was suitable to them. Deep in the root of the ruling historical school we can recognize genesis of the Slavic inferiority. Take just this example... how could Slavic man prove anything (that is related to history/politics) to the people from the west of Europe, when Slavic person received education which state that are Slavs newcomers to Europe and, at the same time, person from the west of Europe knows (!) of its European roots and knows (!) of Slavs as newcomers to Europe?
See, my friend Szalawa, to me who was grown up in Yugoslavia and received knowledge in that vast and, in its time powerful Slavic state, that situation of the inferior Slavic behavior on the net and, at the same time, self confident (even overconfident) western Europeans, ... that situation was blasphemous to me. Yes, Yugoslavia was also victim of the pro-Germanic historical school but still, parallel with formal teachings we got insights into the all kind of new questions and hypothesis that were initiated by numerous authors (Slavic and non-Slavic) who dared to ask how is possible to state that are Slavs newcomers to Europe when there are obvious proofs that are Slavs, if not first Europeans to Europe then at least equally old Europeans as people from the west of Europe.
I feel this thread is set up with the idea that being eastern European is more backward and less civilized compared to western European. This is not what I believe to be true
You see, you yourself noticed that tone of this thread.
So, respond to the any situation that question Slavic deep European roots, must go with full self-confidence in high Slavic place in European history. And, with the reason. For Slavs are last true native Europeans. No, not just in the physical sense. All ethnic Europeans who now inhabit Europe are physically of European roots but, only Slavs can dare to state that their Slavic culture have continuity with original Western world that gave birth to European culture.
Crow, I see, you see Slavs as the occident instead of "the west" or a separate entity that can function and support itself. Poland is the core of Europe, this no doubt I agree with.
Western world was born on the line Balkan-Baltic, in time immemorial. Old core was Balkan and last known core was in Poland. It died out with defeat of the medieval Commonwealth around Poland. So, modern Poland is natural inheritor of that last Western core.
That original ancient Western world influenced all other parts of Europe: Greeks, Romans, ... Romans in turn influenced Romano-Brits, Germanics, etc. Also, old Western world was in interaction with the Romans.
But, together with the influences from old original Western world, parts of Europe received other influences. One of those major influences that affected character of the culture as a whole was Egyptian influence. One simple can`t comprehend Roman culture without understanding Egyptian influences on it. On the other side, old Western world is still recognizable as the unique entity, attached solely to the its own continuity, even from before Neolithic to the our days. Yes, old original West was influenced by Romans (in mutual interdependence), by Persians, by Jews, by Mongols, by Turks, by Germanics, .... still, it preserved its own recognizable uniqueness, that clear Proto-Slavic and Slavic pattern.
So, answer would be positive. Today`s Europe consists of two entities, two major cultural patterns- west of Europe and Slavic Europe (ie Western world).