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Food producers from Poland should stop suffering from obliged sanctions against Russia


Bozydar
7 Oct 2014 #1
As one of many other Polish farmers, I'm suffering great losses due to Russian embargo, taken by Moscow in retaliation for our sanctions against Russia over the Ukraine crisis. But I together with most of Polish orchard owners cannot understand our government that persistently follows on Washington in the case of further toughening sanctions against Russia even after express stabilization of current situation in Ukraine thanks to Russian initiatives.

So ill-advised acts of our leadership, in fact, are criminal design against own country and people as it is clear as day that we not only contribute to better conditions for development fruit-and-vegetable production in the very Russian south regions, whose farmers have always been our main rivals before, but also give place at so profitable Russian agricultural market to such former Soviet republics as Moldova, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan and others. Surely, they will never agree to leave this market then if even Georgian leaders have already realized that upturn of their country's economy and the well-being of their nation (bne.eu/content/story/georgia-trade-moscow-ries-russia-west-sanctions-take-hold) should be by way of development of trade relations with everybody, including own political opponents now!
weg03
8 Oct 2014 #2
Putins next target could be Poland. so a little pain now could be worth it.
Crow 137 | 7,755
8 Oct 2014 #3
Polish food producers should stop suffering from obliged sanctions against Russia

i agree to it.

Putins next target could be Poland. so a little pain now could be worth it.

in my opinion, this comment of yours is quite nonsensical. Very nonsensical

But, tell me now, what if (let us think of Putin as of very evil man; i think he isn`t but, let`s say...),.. so, what if Putin`s next target proved to be Britain or France or USA maybe. See, in any case, thanks to NATO and EU leading powers who uses Poland as their shield, first victim would in any case be Poland. So, why would Polish food producers suffer in advance? Why not let them live good at least now? Later,... weeeell, later would some Anglo-American invent some new joke about Poles

Poland: Farmers block highway in protest at EU response to Russian sanctions



Tragedy

Belgium: Watch Polish farmers dump peppers outside EU parliament



More on this truly horrible tragedy. Can you imagine? All that wasted food and lost profit

Poland: Thousands of peppers dumped by Polish farmers angry at the EU

youtube.com/watch?v=_Jr_HLVVPIQ=player_embedded

When we are at it, in Spain farmers burning flags of EU

Spain: See farmers burn EU flag on bonfire of peaches

youtube.com/watch?v=qp47DssZFgs&feature=player_embedded

Spain: Watch farmers dump thousands of potatoes at anti-EU protest

youtube.com/watch?v=oqzuZ7zmX9k=player_embedded

Too bad that we don`t have some people who are farmers, here on this forum. It would be interesting to see how would they comment political events. It would be observation from the angle of true victims of EU (and USA) policy. There won`t be any BS in their comments. Only sad reality.

Poland: Tomato farms feel the rot as Russia's sanctions bite

youtube.com/watch?v=r8lB-aNq0OA&feature=player_embedded

Poland: Sanction-hit farmer hungry for trade with Russia



Polish farmers fear consequences of Russian sanctions



Poland should get out from the `circle of hate with Russia`. That situation only helps western European control of Poland. Poland should take rather neutral stance on Russia. Let west of Europe and USA deal with Russia on their own.

Just for the record. i doing my part. i eat those Polish apples like a worm. Polish apples are everywhere.
Levi_BR 6 | 220
2 Dec 2014 #4
Poland should get out from the `circle of hate with Russia`. That situation only helps western European control of Poland. Poland should take rather neutral stance on Russia. Let west of Europe and USA deal with Russia on their own.

Oh Yeah! Poland should show a middle finger for EU! Because EU just helps Western Countries! Look how Poland is much worse now than in communist days![/Irony]

Than doing that, maybe Poland will turn into a glorious TRASH CAN like Serbia Nowadays!
Korwin - | 17
8 Dec 2014 #5
Poland should most definitely get out of the Russian hating circle. It does not help us. I hope in the future Poland finds its feet and leads its own foreign policy and politics rather than acting as a vassal state of the US-EU.
Levi_BR 6 | 220
8 Dec 2014 #6
Like 30 years ago?

It is very sad that the youth doesn't learn with past experiences that they didn't experienced. Just ask your grandparents about how good Poland was when it was not a "vassal of US/EU" and, instead, a vassal of soviet union.

By the way, Poland is NOT a vassal of EU. Poland is a democratic government chosen by its OWN people. Something that russians will NOT understand! That is why they try to DESTROY any democracy.
Harry
8 Dec 2014 #7
Just ask your grandparents about how good Poland was when it was not a "vassal of US/EU" and, instead, a vassal of soviet union.

You think they were here then?!

By the way, Poland is NOT a vassal of EU. Poland is a democratic government chosen by its OWN people. Something that russians will NOT understand! That is why they try to DESTROY any democracy.

Well said that man!
Crow 137 | 7,755
8 Dec 2014 #8
Oh Yeah! Poland should show a middle finger for EU! Because EU just helps Western Countries! Look how Poland is much worse now than in communist days![/Irony]

Dear unknown friend. All what Poland back in past founded in some old Russian Empire, sooner then later would found within EU. Yes, look at Serbia, as example. If one just tries to oppose to the dictate of magnates of leading EU and NATO countries, one may get economic sanctions, trade embargo, war, partition, ethnocide, genocide, enormous propaganda machinery against itself, etc, etc many other nice things. Actually, its more then Russian Empires was able to give. Its modern era. Tools are more advanced.

So, in one hand, you are right. Poland shouldn`t give middle finger to the EU and NATO. What is problem is that it may become necessary. Resistance or slow death in global soup, turned into something not Slavic.

Poland should most definitely get out of the Russian hating circle. It does not help us. I hope in the future Poland finds its feet and leads its own foreign policy and politics rather than acting as a vassal state of the US-EU.

Correct. Poland needs Russia for the balance of power. Poland don`t need to unite with Russia (if don`t wish that), but simple, without Russia, its not Poland who would get Russian resources but exactly those who would later (i point at Anglos and Germanics), after finished with Russia, finish with Poland, too. With Slavic Poland, i mean.

and yes. Poland is vassal state today. Part of another Empire. Has new master.

i look forward when would Poland find scent and make something positive and not always choose among negative choices (ie replace one master with another). Pilsudski gave nice idea- new Commonwealth. i love that idea. But, are Poland capable....

In any case, scattered Serbia buys enormous quantities of Polish appeals, giving its best to re-export it to Russia and hope for the better tomorrow. Say that path of Serbia isn`t remarkably beautiful.

In the meanwhile...

Poland: Sanctions squeeze! Angry farmers protest EU minister visit
Korwin - | 17
9 Dec 2014 #9
By the way, Poland is NOT a vassal of EU. Poland is a democratic government chosen by its OWN people. Something that russians will NOT understand! That is why they try to DESTROY any democracy.

Really? That's very laughable that you think so. Poland is no less corrupt then it was 50 years ago. Might be worse now. More parties and bogus poseł's, retired athletes who want to get a piece of the tax payers money. If Poland isn't a vassal state of the west then why does it not stand up for its economic interest like Orban in Hungary for example? But why should I try and convince you, just listening to the bugged conversations of our great politicians, sikorski who was recorded saying that we just keep sucking America's metaphorical d*ck and Sienkiewicz who stated Poland is a country only theoretically.
Levi_BR 6 | 220
9 Dec 2014 #10
If Poland isn't a vassal state of the west

Poland is what the Polish PEOPLE want Poland to be, not what some kind of WEIRD wannabe dictator like Putin want.

If the PEOPLE of Poland decides that Poland should be part or not of UE, than it must be obbeyed ABOVE the whishes of any kind of violent authoritarian commie.

But as i said, i don't expect Russians or Balkan people to understand the meaning of DEMOCRACY. They love to be ruled BY DICTATORS.
Korwin - | 17
9 Dec 2014 #11
That's a stuck up statement. Those countries have had democracy or their form of it as long as Poland. Poland is NOT a traditional democratic nation, that's just something the US fed Poles during solidarity times. Poland has been traditionally ruled by either Kings, nobles and magnates, or dictators.

Even Pilsudski criticized the sejm, calling it a pit of snakes. He himself declared that to allow political parties to rule would be the begining of the end for Poland. He took power in a coup d'etat in 1926 after he himself seen what "democracy" brought, corruption, political and economic crisis. By 1930 he had around 18 leaders of different political parties arrested and he had his own people run the country.

I think if you look at surveys you'll see the mood of Poles towards the EU is gradually changing. As in most countries. For good reason at that.

So no, Poland isn't a traditionally democratic country at all.
Crow 137 | 7,755
9 Dec 2014 #12
If Poland isn't a vassal state of the west then why does it not stand up for its economic interest like Orban in Hungary for example?

That is very good reply. Behavior of Poland indicate strict control by Germany and, after all, in general by the interests circles from the west of Europe and USA. Again, i reminding myself of the tragic and bizarre death of the Polish president Lech Kaczyński (and many other officials), right in the moment when he wanted to have closer relations with Russia and shown intention to protect Serbia from the further molesting by EU and NATO leading powers. OK, its maybe just coincidence but, its interesting, isn`t it.

What is interesting, Hungary filling the gap what makes Poland. But, not only Hungary. When look from the Serbian angle (strategically very interesting angle because of overlapping of different interests), one gets impression that Poland`s politics does not deflect even from politics of other members of the Visegrad Group- Hungary, Czech Republic and Slovakia. On the other side, when it comes to Russia, Poland is alone within Visegrad Group. All other members of Visegrad Group have closer ties with Russia.

Poland is what the Polish PEOPLE want Poland to be

just look how death of Kaczyński affected Poland`s politics.
Levi_BR 6 | 220
9 Dec 2014 #13
Poland has been traditionally ruled by either Kings, nobles and magnates, or dictators.

Why not ask ask the poles if they want to go back to those times?

Oh Yeah, I remember why!

Because the opinion of the Poles WORTH NOTHING for people that defends dictatorships like you :)

They must be OBLIGED to follow whatever kind of tyranny you defend and should not be allowed to express their opinion! And treated like cattle. Just like in Russia!
Crow 137 | 7,755
9 Dec 2014 #14
Czech Republic's parl. rejects West's anti-Russia measures

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9Hxw-ieUIhI

Slovakia has threatened to veto sanctions against Russia

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XKvFgStaNOY

Germany: 'EU sanctions against Russia are wrong,' - ex-chancellor Schroeder

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6DVFvPT8HRQ

They must be OBLIGED to follow whatever kind of tyranny you defend and should not be allowed to express their opinion! And treated like cattle. Just like in Russia!

Russia isn`t perfect, no need to elaborate on that. But today, comparing to western European powers and USA, Russia have far greater moral standards.

Go, ask former Czech president Vaclav Klaus what he thinks about EU. Very negative, very negative

Polish patriots don`t like Polish NATO membership. Anybody ask them?

i actually have impression that most of the Poles don`t like NATO.
Korwin - | 17
9 Dec 2014 #15
Crow, you are spot on.
johnny reb 18 | 3,771
9 Dec 2014 #16
i actually have impression that most of the Poles don`t like NATO.

Hell most Americans don't like NATO. (One World Order)
Every paycheck the American workers get have big taxes taken out of it to support NATO, to pay for weapons to
protect countries like Poland, to pay for AMERICAN soldiers to be in Poland to protect it, to pay to operate the
military bases in Poland and lastly have OUR young boys blood ready to spill on Polands ground
(like it has in the past) to protect Poland.
Now I would have to say that ALL America is suffering from the sanctions just like everyone else is if not more.
It comes right out of ALL working Americans back pocket to protect Poland.
So please quit whinning about the freedoms America has given (paid for) to Poland.
Can you tell me the cost of all the tanks America just sent to Poland's front ?
Who the F**** paid for those ? America did, that's WHO !
Maybe you would rather go back to living in fear when walking down your streets.
A cup of coffee and a thank you is what is in order for the American people from Poland.
You kids just don't get it because you have never lived it nor paid for any of it. (Coming soon though)
Levi_BR 6 | 220
9 Dec 2014 #17
Polish patriots don`t like Polish NATO membership. Anybody ask them?

NO NO NO

Serbs like YOU don't like Nato because they didnt allowed Milosevic to keep ethnical cleansing at Kosovo.

Poles VOTED for a candidate that was friendly to nato, that means that they APPROVE NATO.

But of course, a Serbian have no idea of what is a Vote and thinks that the oppinion of the people doesn't matter.
Harry
9 Dec 2014 #18
Polish patriots don`t like Polish NATO membership.

What a load of rubbish. Support for Polish membership of NATO is similar to support for Polish membership of the EU and Polish support for sanctions against Russia for its invasion and occupation of Ukraine: virtually universal.

to pay for AMERICAN soldiers to be in Poland to protect it

Even more utter rubbish. The very few American service personal based in Poland are here purely to protect American citizens.
Crow 137 | 7,755
9 Dec 2014 #19
Polish support for sanctions against Russia for its invasion and occupation of Ukraine: virtually universal.

Ukraine and Russia needs to talk about borders in situation when government in Ukraine ignore ethnic Russians in Ukraine. With rise of neo-Nazi movement in Ukraine i would say that Ukrainian government losing control to the extremists. That situation is dangerous for ethnic Ukrainians and Russians but also for ethnic Poles and Serbs there.

Ethic Russians are native population there and Russian nation was even born in Ukraine. If there was no Russians, there would be Crimean Khanate or Turkey there today. Let us just be honest. Thanks to Russians it is still Slavic land.

As for support to sanctions.,... official Poland serve ruling EU and NATO establishment. But, that same official Poland asks EU for the compensations over the sanctions to Russia. Tusk isn`t neither THAT crazy, neither he THAT obey

Poland wants compensation from the EU for Russian import ban

youtube.com/watch?v=qQ4Jn1eGckw

people in Poland suffer and protest against sanctions, while the western European magnates dictate.

Poland: Sanction-hit farmer hungry for trade with Russia



NO NO NO

YES YES YES

Serbs like YOU don't like Nato because they didnt allowed Milosevic to keep ethnical cleansing at Kosovo.

you are wrong. Investigation of the Polish parliamentconcluded that Shiftar (Albanian) ethnic moves on Kosovo occurred after NATO attacked Serbia, as result of chaos and numerous civilian causalities dealt by NATO. Then, there was also chaos resulted by the Shiftar (Albanian) terrorist organization UCK. USA collaborated with UCK in order to create Greater Shiftaria (Albania) with intention to give sh** to Serbian (Slavic) element in the region.

Poles VOTED for a candidate that was friendly to nato, that means that they APPROVE NATO.

Spot this... in the middle of Warsaw, Polish and Serbian patriots ... they say... f*** f*** NATO pact (video on 52:19)

youtu.be/qQ4Jn1eGckw

What to tell you man, Poles don`t like NATO. Very simple... don`t like

But of course, a Serbian have no idea of what is a Vote and thinks that the oppinion of the people doesn't matter.

not truth. We vote. It matter to us. Serbs knows everything. Serbs were military elite of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. They killed for Poland even when Poles were tired of killing for Poland. For Sarmatia Besmrtna! For the Golden Freedom!

We don`t serve to daily politics. My people have its own interests and those interests overlap with Polish best interests. On the long run, we demand NEW COMMONWEALTH, in between west of Europe and Russia, so that is voice of the people from the Baltic to the Balkan heard.

Crow, you are spot on.

Bless on you by the Christ and Svetovid!
Dougpol1 33 | 3,247
9 Dec 2014 #20
What a ridiculous thread. We have farmers on here whining about their lot. We don't hear from them in good times though do we? In the meantime, all over Europe we subsidise them to the max.

I wish I could get a handout for my student's books or my hours spent assessing their work.

There's no barbed wire round the job. If no one wants their tasteless peppers or their frankly uneatable apples, then why don't they grow something else? Rape seed should fit the bill - every other damned farmer grows it:)
Levi_BR 6 | 220
10 Dec 2014 #21
Why doesn't Poland have their military in the U.S.A. protecting their citizens ?

Actually they could, according to the treaty of Brussels, signed by both countries.

Probably they just don't do it because the dangers that Poles have living in Chicago are not so big to justify that kind of expenditure like the Americans living in the border with Russia.
Crow 137 | 7,755
10 Dec 2014 #22
We have farmers on here whining about their lot. We don't hear from them in good times though do we?

true. Farmers suffer because of Anglo-Germanic necessity to grab Russian resources, same way as back in past Polish peasants suffered due to Germanic greed (just think of role of the Polish peasants in Grunwald battle). Always that greed. Generally speaking, Polish rural population is greatly exploited. Still, i would say, not only Polish. Exploitation of rural people is general rule.

But, let me tell you, cries from Poland are heard and we Serbs eat apples like never before.

What a ridiculous thread.

Frankly, i found discussions here amusing and greatly relaxing.

I wish I could get a handout for my student's books or my hours spent assessing their work.

Good God knows that you have a lot of valuable materials in this thread. Topic is seen from different angle.

There's no barbed wire round the job.

Its also true.

Let us suggests to moderators opening of `AGRICULTURE BUSINESS` on this forum, as sub-forum of business section.

If no one wants their tasteless peppers or their frankly uneatable apples, then why don't they grow something else? Rape seed should fit the bill - every other damned farmer grows it:)

But apples are desired. EU is problem
Korwin - | 17
11 Dec 2014 #23
What a load of rubbish. Support for Polish membership of NATO is similar to support for Polish membership of the EU and Polish support for sanctions against Russia for its invasion and occupation of Ukraine: virtually universal.

I would love to know where you got this idea from.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
11 Dec 2014 #24
I can't quote any opinion polls, but of the people I know, including the 300 university students I have this semester, the vast majority are pro-EU (with, naturally, various reservations), and anti-Putin. As for Serbia or Slavic commonwealths, well, I can't say I've ever heard either mentioned. Oh, and almost all Poles are democrats.
Korwin - | 17
11 Dec 2014 #25
300 students, who have yet to probably face the real world and get careers moving... What's 300 out of 38,000,000??
No, not every Pole is a democrat. I can probably match your 300 with non democrats. Most of them from the sejm.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
12 Dec 2014 #26
Yes, no doubt you could find 300 non-democrats in Poland, probably even more. I said "including" uni students. Admittedly, I don't know any football hooligans or other knuckle-draggers, but I stand by my comment. Perhaps your experience of life here has been different. It would be interesting to hear about it.
Korwin - | 17
12 Dec 2014 #27
Have you ever read "Polactwo" by Rafał Ziemkiewicz? If not, I greatly encourage it.
johnny reb 18 | 3,771
6 Jan 2015 #28
O.k., we have discussed the political end of the food producers in Poland.
Now I would like to entertain the other side, the "best choice" for the Polish people.
Russia has now made a new offer starting the first of this year.
No doubt the EU is both vulnerable and sought after economically and geopolitically.
Russia is making no bones about an open proposal to the EU.
Essentially, dump the U.S. - don't join the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP),
but join the Eurasian Economic Union, which went into effect January 1st.
The Polish people are caught between a rock and a hard spot the way I see it.
Do they want to cave to their neighbor Russia who is offering natural foods grown in Europe/Asia or
the unapproved genetically engineered food that Monsanto is "forcing" North and South America
to grow ?
What a choice to have to make. I know how I would vote on that.
America treats their chickens for example with chlorine to keep them fresh. Yummy !
GMO's are starting to show up in human organs from the ones used in altering rice.
Not to worry as Monsanto says it's not harmful. (sarcasm)
Of course Monsanto who developed "Round Up" weed killer said that was safe also even
though it is linked directly to autism.
What killed all the bees that pollinate in the U.S. ? Monasanto linked it to the cell phones. (more sarcasm)
So if the Polish people either have to cave to East or the West in making a choice, your vote please.
weeg
6 Jan 2015 #29
Firstly, Russian imports it's food. Especially chicken from America.

Secondly, no trade agreement would allow GM food into the EU because it's unacceptable to EU consumers.

Thirdly, Russia and Asia are not known for their food quality..

There is no impediment to Russia joining the EU, except that it's corrupt to the core and would need it's laws updating .
johnny reb 18 | 3,771
7 Jan 2015 #30
Firstly, Russian imports it's food. Especially chicken from America.

Firstly, this simply is not true. You can take your own time and google it.

Secondly, no trade agreement would allow GM food into the EU because it's unacceptable to EU consumers.

Secondly, you may be referring to GMO seeds because GMO's are in almost anything made with grains.

Thirdly, Russia and Asia are not known for their food quality..

Thirdly, no less then America with arsenic found in their orange juice, PBC's in their salmon from the great lakes, always
throwing out tons of tainted meats, growth hormones in their beef and chickens......all so yummy.
I do eat a lot of oysters, pineapple, ect. from asia that tests safe.
So Russia and Asia's food quality is just as safe as America's.

There is no impediment to Russia joining the EU, except that it's corrupt to the core and would need it's laws updating

Really, and just what government in the EU is not corrupt to the core ?
In fact what counntry in the world is not corrupt to the core ?
I think you may being a tad bias here weeg.
(Side Note: One of my favorite imported food is from Poland and that is the Pampa canned herring in mustard.
That with some crackers and a beer is a good lunch.)
So back to my question, would the Polish people prefer the GMO's that are used to grow grains and growth hormones injected
in the meats of America or the natural foods from Russia and Asia by joining the Eurasian Economic Union increasing Polands food trade to boot ?


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