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Stop buying contraband in Poland! Really?


pawian 175 | 13,460
1 Nov 2011 #1
Quarter of adult Poles buy smuggled goods
31.10.2011 08:29
One-in-four Poles have admitted to an opinion pollster that they have, at sometime, bought goods that they knew were contraband.
Twenty three percent told the CBOS pollsters that they had bought smuggled goods, usually cigarettes or alcohol.
Five percent said that they had bought contraband petrol.
Men are three times more likely to buy smuggled goods, finds the survey.


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The Polish government started a campaign: Stop to Smuggling! They claim it costs the state`s budget 6 billions zlotys annually. This money could create 200.000 new workplaces, a few hundred creches, or a tunnel for Tricity, or other facilities.

I don`t know what to think about it. The budget loses, indeed, and that`s umpatriotic, but what about millions of poor people in Poland who buy cheaper contraband goods? They spend less, don`t they?

Could you discuss it in a clever way so I know which side to support?
Wroclaw 44 | 5,386
1 Nov 2011 #2
Quarter of adult Poles buy smuggled goods

i probably would too, if i trusted the seller and the source.

so, no russian vodka, thanks.

i don't actually go out of my way to look for these things. i hardly drink and i'm trying to cut down on ciggies anyway.

in an ideal world it would be better if it didn't happen, but i also doubt that i'd see the benefit of that 6 billion zl
OP pawian 175 | 13,460
1 Nov 2011 #3
i don't actually go out of my way to look for these things. i hardly drink and i'm trying to cut down on ciggies anyway.

So do I. I don`t remember buying any smuggled goods.

but i also doubt that i'd see the benefit of that 6 billion zl

Yes, that`s what I feel, too.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
1 Nov 2011 #4
Atleast they dont try to tell you that buying a knock off DVD from some fella down the market is funding international terrorism lol
Ladies,dont buy that hooky Gucci handbag,if you do Al Quada gets a new AK 74.......
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Wroclaw 44 | 5,386
2 Nov 2011 #5
after a little thought:

why folks here don't have much guilt about such things. twenty years ago some of what was bought was 'made in Poland'. this included the latest music cassettes, films that hadn't actually been released in the cinema, clothes that were identical to leading brands, computer software that came from someones living-room. and there were even cards to watch sky tv, although they had to be updated every month or so.

now we have illegal downloads of music and films, which i know also goes on in other countries too.

the reason twenty-five percent admit to accepting smuggled goods is: because it was ok in the past so it's ok now.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
2 Nov 2011 #6
When Ive heard a Pole talk about how she smuggled george orwell books through the berlin wall and back into Poland in the early 80s it doesnt exactly surprise me people are happy to buy a few Ukrainian cigs :)
f stop 25 | 2,513
2 Nov 2011 #7
government as the middleman begging not to get cut out. ;)
By the same logic, you should buy the most expensive car and go out to restaurants instead of cooking at home. If you don't, you're depriving someone of their job. Horsesht.
Wroclaw_666 1 | 47
3 Nov 2011 #8
It's illegal, but will exist so long as people buy smuggled goods. The problem isn't even in any poverty in my opinion. People buy cigarettes and alcohol. I'm pretty sure that at least 50% of people buying illegal goods can afford for the same goods in a shop.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
4 Nov 2011 #9
Ah good old Lucky Strikes. A great smoke. Could never find them over here, unfortunately.
PWEI 3 | 612
4 Nov 2011 #10
a tunnel for Tricity

Why does the Tricity need a tunnel? From where to where?
OP pawian 175 | 13,460
15 Jan 2013 #11
From Tricity to Sweden?

It is amusing but garlic has become one of staples smuggled into Poland, together with UK and Italy.

nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10858400

The EU imposes a 9.6 per cent duty on imported foreign garlic in an attempt to prevent the continent's growers from being driven out of business by Chinese farmers.

But the duty, which came into force in 2001, has led to a surge in illicit imports. Police in Britain, Ireland, Austria and Poland arrested smugglers for illegally importing at least €3 million worth of garlic into the EU last year alone.


PS. I don`t buy Chinese garlic as it is weird, so different than the Polish one.

wbj.pl/article-61527-illegal-garlic-costs-poland-eu-millions.html?typ=pam

Smuggling garlic has become a lucrative crime in the EU, ever since the bloc intruduced a duty of 9.5 percent on the herb. According to the European Anti-Fraud Office (OLAF), the UK, Italy and Poland are the member states most vulnerable to Chinese garlic being smuggled in. The EU has lost millions of euro because of the illegal smuggling of garlic from China, "not to mention the indirect losses by means of unfair competition and loss of market share by EU producers," Pavel Borkovec from OLAF was quoted by the BBC as saying.

According to Mr Borkovec, smugglers usually declare that the transported garlic comes from a countries such as Turkey or Egypt, with which the EU has preferential customs agreements, or they declare that they are transporting some other vegetable or fruit.

For example, in January 2011, Polish customs officers discovered a load of 144 metric tons of Chinese garlic, which was declared as onions. The smugglers were attempting to avoid paying some €180,000 in duties, Rzeczpospolita reported.

AmerTchr 4 | 201
15 Jan 2013 #12
It basically boils down to whether you believe in rule of law or view every situation as an individual choice based on self-interest.

I have nearly 400 CD's and DVD's that I carry in my gear. Weight is about 12 kilos. They're all legal though.

When I got to Azerbaijan some of my fellow teachers were astonished that I didn't understand I could buy first run movies and all sorts of music for less than $5 a disk. First, I told them that I was well aware of this. Then I pointed out even that would be almost $2000 to replace all of these movies.

If you believe in the law, don't buy smuggled goods. If you believe that anything is okay as long as it benefits you (possibly mitigated by how much it affects others) then buy smuggled goods.

Don't expect sympathy though if you complain about why government cannot afford to maintain the army, offer free/low-cost education or build roads (or even tunnels).
OP pawian 175 | 13,460
15 Jan 2013 #13
Don't expect sympathy though if you complain about why government cannot afford to maintain the army, offer free/low-cost education or build roads (or even tunnels).

Yes, right.
welshguyinpola 23 | 463
15 Jan 2013 #14
Taking loads of cigarettes home for personal use is not smuggling. Poland is in the EU and tax is paid to the EU. This is not smuggling. It is only smuggling when somebody sells them on
kondzior 12 | 1,125
15 Jan 2013 #15
If you believe in the law, don't buy smuggled goods. If you believe that anything is okay as long as it benefits you (possibly mitigated by how much it affects others) then buy smuggled goods.

No.
illegal =! immoral

Law is made by people, it may by right or wrong. Law is just a set of codified norms based on numerous factors, some of which may be outdated or passed with wrong/malicious intent.

I would not buy stolen goods, under no condition. That would be immoral. But contraband? Come on, only policemen or custom officers, and other such perverts, consider it a crime.
AmerTchr 4 | 201
16 Jan 2013 #16
Taking loads of cigarettes home for personal use is not smuggling. Poland is in the EU and tax is paid to the EU. This is not smuggling. It is only smuggling when somebody sells them on

I would imagine Poland, like most countries has a dollar or quantity limit. Staying under it or having your friends carry through on their allowances hardly constitutes smuggling.


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