Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto?

This little pig Harry wants to connect after WWII commie camps with WWII German camps.

Non of them were Polish. Ask those who sold Poland in Yalta about this post WWII Soviet camps build by NKVD and by right Stalins hand in Poland - Jakub Berman.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakub_Berman

As to WWII camps they were German operated.

Don't feed Harry.

Good to see that you have to rely on personal abuse now that your statements have been exposed as anti-semitic lies.


Do you deny that both the Jaworzno and Zgoda Polish concentration camps were formerly sub-camps of Auschwitz?


The post-WWII concentration camps in Poland were run by Poles at the order of Poles. They were Polish.


Know the names of any good mediums? Churchill and Roosevelt are both dead....


As has already been stated: the post-WWII Polish concentration camps were built by the Nazis. Poles just decided to make use of the existing facilities.


Yes they were.

Now, please name the men who ran the Polish concentration camps and who now "live in Israel and claim to be Israelis not Polish". Either that or admit that you have been telling anti-semitic lies.

Miranda your point was that:


and my reply showed quite clearly that religious belief did play a part in her actions for good. So mixing religion with it was not mixing but a fact borne out in action.

And yet despite being an openly antisemite Kossak- Szczucka did not believe that Polish Jews should be treated as less than human. I see no conflict with this view and she was not trying to murder them or extort money from them in fact she did the opposite. So what does that tell you!


German threats of execution didn't seem to stop women like Irena Sendlerowa or Zofia Kossak-Szczucka saving several thousand Polish Jews from death. They were not they only ones. Just read He Who Saves One Life by Kazimierz Iranek-Osmecki and you will see not every Pole was out to extort from the Polish Jews no matter what the very real German threats were for doing so.

I am attempting to discuss Auschwitz and what happened to parts of it after the war. Therefore this is the correct thread because this thread asks about Auschwitz.

You are manipulative and provocative but we play in one team. :)


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakub_Berman




en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salomon_Morel


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Wolińska-Brus




Of course there were oppositionists with Jewish origin, and "ethnic" Polish commies.

You are a plain and simple liar.


An excellent quote (forgive me for not repeating it in full) but one that says nothing about who built the Polish concentration camps. Do you deny that both the Jaworzno and Zgoda Polish concentration camps were formerly sub-camps of Auschwitz?


a) Helena Wolińska didn't run concentration camps.
b) Helena Wolińska didn't live in Israel.
c) Helena Wolińska didn't pretend to be Israeli.
d) Salomon Morel is one camp commander. You said "the men". Who are the others?
e) Salomon Morel doesn't live in Israel.
f) You haven't named a single person other than Morel who commanded a Polish concentration camp.
g) You haven't named a single person other than Morel who commanded a Polish concentration camp and lived in Israel.
h) Are you going to name the the men who ran the Polish concentration camps and who now "live in Israel and claim to be Israelis not Polish" or are you going to admit to telling anti-semitic lies?

I admire that in her, however her being openly anti-semitic does not hold well when Christian values come into play. However, I have nothing but respect for Polish people, who helped Jews during the WW2. Many of them will probably remain unknown. I also understand that during those time Polish people were oppressed by Germans, which made it even harder to think of helping others when their own lives were at stake.

Harry you are povocartive and you are looking for excuse to use "Polish concentration camp"

I am realy sorry but this camps are offcialy called "Stalinist camps" because they were operated by Stalinists from different countries with different ethnic background.

Camps from WWII :

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_death_camp


Lets stick to official names of this camps. This issues has been debated by UNESCO. You can take your lies with you. You can writte to UNESCO and use your debate skills :)

The food smugglers were mainly Jewish children from the ghetto itself not Poles. Though there is one excellent memoir of a non-jewish boy joining the Jewish boys smuggling food from on the 'Aryan' side into the ghetto, but he was not taking gold or other payments for his smuggling. Title escapes me.

Pay attention to the second paragraph.

"Of the 318 people working for Ganzweich, 300 formed the “police force,” [not to be confused with the much larger Jewish order police which reported to the Jewish council], eight were employed as drivers, motor-car mechanics and in similar honest occupations, and the rest were lawyers, who formed a court that went through the legal motions of trying people guilty of profiteering and blackmarketeering. In fact, only a few small bakers, butchers and smugglers were heavily fined or kept in The Thirteen’s prison until they paid up. The 300 policemen performed the functions of an American gangster’s hoodlums and with their help Ganzweich forced all the important businessmen in the ghetto, irrespective of whether they were honest or dishonest, to pay him protection money, which he shared with his Gestapo patrons.

As practically everything needed in the ghetto had to be smuggled in, Ganzweich’s protection racket also extended to this vital activity. Before any article could be brought into the ghetto, bribes had to be paid to the Polish police, the ghetto police and to officials of the German Crminal Police, and even then there was no guarantee that it would reach the ghetto, for a German gendarme patrolling around its walls might seize it. However, if one paid protection money to The Thirteen, the article was certain to reach the ghetto without any other bribes being paid."

70 Reuben Ainsztein, The Warsaw Ghetto Revolt (New York: Holocaust Library, 1979), 9–16, 88; Reuben
Ainsztein, Jewish Resistance in Nazi-Occupied Eastern Europe (London: Paul Elek, 1974), 557–63.

So who was extorting who?

Don't lie. UNESCO haven't said a word about the names of the post-WWII Polish concentration camps.

And the 'official' name for these camps does not include the word "Stalinist". Centralny Obóz Pracy w Jaworznie = Central Labour Camp Jaworzno

ipn.gov.pl/portal/en/2/71

Centralny Obóz Pracy w Potulicach = Central Labour Camp Potulice
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Labour_Camp_Potulice

Obóz Pracy Świętochłowice-Zgoda = Świętochłowice-Zgoda Labour Camp
ipn.gov.pl/portal.php?serwis=pl&dzial=239&id=3758&poz=3

Obóz Pracy w £ambinowicach = £ambinowice Labour Camp
cmjw.pl/www/index_gb.php?id=oboz_prac

Are you going to name the the men who ran the Polish concentration camps and who now "live in Israel and claim to be Israelis not Polish" or are you going to admit to telling anti-semitic lies?

You operate with no sources whatsoever, pumpkin.

Harry I love this debate :)

I like debate you provoke but just read first link you posted.

ipn.gov.pl/portal/en/2/71
First words:


:)))

So they were Polish labor camps, not Polish concentration camps.

I'm glad we got that settled. Good day, sir!

I did indeed read the link. And nowhere in it is there information that the official name of the Polish concentration camp at Świętochłowice-Zgoda was the "Stalinist concentration camp at Świętochłowice-Zgoda". In other words, you have been proved to be lying when you claimed that the official name of the Polish concentration camp at Świętochłowice-Zgoda was the "Stalinist concentration camp at Świętochłowice-Zgoda".

Are you going to name the the men who ran the Polish concentration camps and who now "live in Israel and claim to be Israelis not Polish" or are you going to admit to telling anti-semitic lies?

hey, I think that he did name Salomon Morel who ended up in Israel. What is your point Harry. I am just sticking to the facts here.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal

Poland has been sold in Yalta by Allies. 500 000 of Polish people were arrested.

You can't claim this camps to be Polish as long as Poland was Sovied occupied.

Maybe you claim American prisons in Iraq to be Iraqis :)

The Potulice concentration camp was established during World War II by German state authorities in occupied Poland in Potulice near Nakło. It is notable as a detention centre for Polish children that underwent the Nazi experiment in forced Germanisation.

Central Labour Camp Potulice (Polish: Centralny Obóz Pracy w Potulicach) was a detention centre for Germans and Poles established by Polish Communist authorities after the end of World War II in Potulice, in place of the former German Nazi Potulice concentration camp. The camp was in operation since 1945 until 1950.

Harry, can't you read?

He claimed the men who ran the post-WWII Polish concentration camps now live in Israel and claim to be Israelis not Polish. I pointed out that just one camp commander fits that description and asked him to provide the names of the camp commanders. I provided the names of two men who commanded post-WWII Polish concentration camps and were not Jewish and had never lived in Israel (including one who was put on trial in post-communist Poland but then had his case dismissed because he was feeling a bit unwell). I can provide more names if need be.

Prince is refusing to to name the the men who ran the Polish concentration camps and who now "live in Israel and claim to be Israelis not Polish" because he knows that his claim is a lie.

well, based on your discussion with Prince I have lernt that Morel was the only one who ended up in Israel and was of a Jewish decent Pole

- but I haven't done my own research, so I am just basing my conclusion on your exchange with Prince.


that would be good.


there seem to be one so far. Are there more of Jewish decent people to your knowledge who shared similar to Morel's history?
I am just curious.

I can but apparently you can not. From the wikipedia page you pulled your quote from:
"The site of the camp was used as a detention centre (Central Labour Camp Potulice) by Polish Communist authorities after World War II.[7] About 3500 ethnic Germans died in the camp in the years 1945 to 1950." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potulice_concentration_camp

Although I must say that I fail to see anything in either wikipedia page you quote from that names the the men who ran the Polish concentration camps and who now "live in Israel and claim to be Israelis not Polish".

Harry this stroy is not about the Jews ... but I have mentioned many names just to make this debate more interesting. I don't think that communism was Jewish conspiracy.

From the other hand we can see that for sure ethnic back ground wasn't barrer in career in Stalinist Poland...

This debate is about what have happend in sold by Allies for communist who in free Poland had no chances.

one problem I have notice in this exchange:
- semantics in relation to Polish concentration camps vs. labour camps (during communism) which in their nature were like concentration camps (during German occupation in Poland)

For Jaworzno we have Stefan Szablewski, Włodzimierz Staniszewski, Stanisław Kwiatkowski, Ivan Mordasov and Teofil Hazelmajer.
sknp.umcs.lublin.pl/materialy/Obozy_pracy_w_Polsce_Ludowej_Jaworzno.pdf

"Teofil Hazelmajer" is not a particularly Catholic sounding name but it's a bit of a stretch to say that because of that name he must now "live in Israel and claim to be Israeli not Polish".

Harry this communist from west Germany would behave in the same way:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction

but they were in miniority in western German ... if west Germany was given for Soviets they would act as commies in all countries.

Why Poland has been sold for Soviets ?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal

.. boo hoo, who bankrupted the Soviets? It wasn't you that's for sure. You wouldn't even be in the EU without the West. Betrayal? What a clown.

You marched on the Czechs, okay? You and the Bear. Skip the sanctimony.

A fascinating bit of conjecture there.

Now, please name the men who ran the Polish concentration camps and who now "live in Israel and claim to be Israelis not Polish". Either that or admit that you have been telling anti-semitic lies.

I don't know anny Polish concentration camps but surly in camps established by NKVD one of commanders was Morel.


Americans.

Kukliński helped you a lot.



A placard with a dedication to Ryszard Kukliński in Warsaw.



As long as we weren't free ... and people wanted Czechs to win ... we haven't marched on them.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryszard_Siwiec

So you mean you can not name the men you claimed to exist. OK, nice of you to admit that you were lying.

Harry you try to make Poland responsible for crimes committed here ... when majority of Poles preferred to be nuked than see Soviet victory...

Morel existed and it is another issue.