Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto?

We're already having this discussion in another thread. There's no reason to have it here as well.

Now, given that you claimed that the commanders of the post WWII camps "live in Israel and claim to be Israelis not Polish", please tell me: when Czesław Gęborski ever claimed to be Jewish and when he went to Israel; when Aleksy Krut ever claimed to be Jewish and when he went to Israel; who was in charge at Potulice and where he lives/lived in Israel; who was in charge at Jaworzno and where he lives/lived in Israel.

Either tell me that or admit that you were yet again telling lies which befit your anti-semitism.

I have been talking about Morel who have been living in Israel.

She defended herself as victim of anti semite plot.




Jakub Berman organised this camps ... there is much more examples.

Tell me Harry how it was possible for this people to make career in post war Poland ?

This topic is well discussed in the thread I linked to (along with the fact that an arrest warrant was issued for Wolińska-Brus but somehow the Polish authorities haven't got round to persecuting, sorry, I mean 'prosecuting' the Catholic Poles who took part in the Fieldorf 'trial' and live/lived in Warsaw).


This is all discussed in that thread.


Liar. You said "give me commanders names :) Tell me why they [the camp commanders] live in Israel and claim to be Israelis not Polish. " You were not only talking about Morel.

Now, given that you claimed that the commanders of the post WWII camps "live in Israel and claim to be Israelis not Polish", please tell me: when Czesław Gęborski ever claimed to be Jewish and when he went to Israel; when Aleksy Krut ever claimed to be Jewish and when he went to Israel; who was in charge at Potulice and where he lives/lived in Israel; who was in charge at Jaworzno and where he lives/lived in Israel.

Are you referring to "Communist controled/occupied Poland? Silly you keep forgetting this part of history.

Yes Carol: I am referring to the concentration camps run by Poles for Poles at the time when the Polish leadership of Poland was communist.

Where is Prince?!

I am waiting for his answers (but I think I will never receive any).

Harry of course there were commies of all origins in communist party.

Communist had minimal support in Poland but Soviet Army was in our country ...

Anny way when we talk about post war Poland and anit semitism.

Some personalities show us that communist Jews were making career in post war Poland. One even organised camps you have mentioned. (of course not all people with Jewish origin were commies)

But when we talk about achievments of Polish Jews ... everybody talks about Jews.

When we talk about crimes ... they are Poles ... of course they claim to be Jews when somebody wants trial and extradition for them.


They were set up by NKVD.

I do have some little knowledge of how it might feel to be in this situation from my late father who was deported to Germany as forced worker in German munitions plant at Nurnberg-Feucht (MUNA-Feucht) as a 14 year old boy from Warsaw in August 1942. My grandmother a kindergarten teacher aged 43 survived KZ Ravensbruck (where she was deported to from Warsaw in April 1941) and then she was transported to KZ Sachsenhausen at some point in 1944 and then onto a sub-camp of KZ Sachsenhausen called Genthin where she was sent in October 1942, to a munitions plant where Polish women were worked to death at the rate of 500+ per month. But I have no direct experience of the life-threating fear that they must of felt and suffered at the time.

I do not blame anyone for acting in their family's best interests or for self-preservation. But it is not right to point at one group ie. Jewish police being responsible for evils against Warsaw ghetto Jews and not also include those Polish Blue police and German guards who were involved in the well published corruption and brutal exploitation of the Jews of the Warsaw ghetto for personal gain rather than purely self-preservation. To me that there is a difference.

And then rule by Poles at the order of Polish governments which were made up of Poles.

Now, for the third time of asking, given that you claimed that the commanders of the post WWII camps "live in Israel and claim to be Israelis not Polish", please tell me: when Czesław Gęborski ever claimed to be Jewish and when he went to Israel; when Aleksy Krut ever claimed to be Jewish and when he went to Israel; who was in charge at Potulice and where he lives/lived in Israel; who was in charge at Jaworzno and where he lives/lived in Israel.

Your wasting your time on this infinite loop of the discredited, been there before on different thread. Infinite loop of the discredited... been there before on different thread infinite loop of the discredited, been there before on different thread infinite loop of the discredited...

Must be in living in Cupertino or Milton Keynes:-)

Two of commanders were ethnic Poles but it doesn't change annything. Communism was imposed on Poland by Soviets. Communists were in all european countries. Today there is communist party in France or Italy. It doesn't change the fact that some people escaped to Israel (Morel) or UK (Wolińska) and claimed to be vicitmes of anti semit plot even they particpated in this terror.

Without betrayal in Yalta there was no chances for communism in Poland.

The best prove war in 1920 when Poland beaten Soviet Union and smashing majority of Polish citizens supported Poland not this international idea of communism.

Now, for the fourth time of asking, given that you claimed that the commanders of the post WWII camps "live in Israel and claim to be Israelis not Polish", please tell me: when Czesław Gęborski ever claimed to be Jewish and when he went to Israel; when Aleksy Krut ever claimed to be Jewish and when he went to Israel; who was in charge at Potulice and where he lives/lived in Israel; who was in charge at Jaworzno and where he lives/lived in Israel.

Either tell me the answers to those questions or admit that you were yet again telling lies which befit your anti-semitism.

MOREL

and I am not anti semite.

Polish government was trying to catch him but Israel rejected.

Well done.

We have now established that one of the camp commanders was a Jewish Pole.


Yes, it just took them 47 years of him living in Poland after committing his crimes before they decided to try and arrest him....

But given that you claimed that the commanders of the post WWII camps "live in Israel and claim to be Israelis not Polish", for the fifth time of asking, please tell me: when Czesław Gęborski ever claimed to be Jewish and when he went to Israel; when Aleksy Krut ever claimed to be Jewish and when he went to Israel; who was in charge at Potulice and where he lives/lived in Israel; who was in charge at Jaworzno and where he lives/lived in Israel.

Either tell me the answers to those questions or admit that you were yet again telling lies which befit your anti-semitism.

He is dead but: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakub_Berman

He organised this camps and was right hand of Stalin in post war Poland.

And he has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Given that you claimed that the commanders of the post WWII camps "live in Israel and claim to be Israelis not Polish", for the sixth time of asking, please tell me: when Czesław Gęborski ever claimed to be Jewish and when he went to Israel; when Aleksy Krut ever claimed to be Jewish and when he went to Israel; who was in charge at Potulice and where he lives/lived in Israel; who was in charge at Jaworzno and where he lives/lived in Israel.

Either tell me the answers to those questions or admit that you were yet again telling lies which befit your anti-semitism.

Why you call me anti-semite ? I show you person who organised terror in post WWII Poland and camps you have mentioned. Of course there were "ethnic Polich commies"

You can find communist party in modern France.

Commies before WWII were miniority among whole Polish population.

When we look on Jews in pre WWII Poland


It is part of history. It is not anti semitism. Not all Jews were commies. Marek Edelman is Polish hero.

Strange how we go from:


to


Looks like Prince has yet again been telling lies which try to make Jews look bad! What a surprise.


And more lies! You haven't named the two Jewish Poles which you claim ran the Potulice and Jaworzno concentration camps.

It seems that some people have problem with history. There were communist Poles. They were miniority. In pre WWII Poland they were in miniority after WWII communism was imposed on Poland. Camps were build by NKVD and some commies of all origins :) operated them.

When we look on ethnic origin of this people we can clearly say that being Jew wasn't barrer in career in comunist Poland.

It is part of Polish history and Harry you should face it.

that would be only true if you could provide a % of Jewish decent people faring well during the communist times. Taking into the consideration the fact the the pre-war Poland consisted of almost 20% of Jewish population in some pars, no wonder that some ended up as members of the communist party.

Jews made 10% of pre WWII Poland.

As to career in post WWII times ... just read the names I have mentioned.

still:)


so what are you trying to prove here? That Jewish people had opportunities, or were cruel, full of hate nation who wanted to get back at Poles for all the years of anti-semitism, suffering or just plainly out of spite?

It is not enough to quite the statistics. You need to show the relevance to the argument here:)

It is not my motive to prove that Jews were more commie or less commie.


I don't agree with your statement but it very interesting to see your interpertation. So it is in your opinion the reason of Morels special love towards Ukrainians ?

what do Ukrainians have to do with this topic now??????DO you have to resort to nationality when you are running out of arguments? That is pretty low and uncalled for. I am sure you can do better than that;)


what is your point then?

I think the 1938 reference of the OP might be a confusion with German camps which were active before the outbreak of war which are now in Polish territories (wasn't there one near Gdansk?).

Auschwitz was originally a Polish army barracks and was used to house Polish prisoners until the destruction of the ghettoes. Jews weren't interred there for a couple of years (waiting until they'd killed enough Poles, I suppose).

An interesting ghetto to consider would be £odz. The Jewish leader there (Rumkowski?) controlled a lot of what went on and pulled a lot of deals with the Nazis. Although the ghetto had better provisions and facilities than many others he also gave the speech to his people about "give me your children" to send to the camps. Check wikipedia, it has some interesting stuff.

Regarding Ukranians, there were concentration (holding) camps during Akcja Wisła in 1947 during the time they were being transported across Poland but not the same thing as a nazi one. Likewise there were camps for holding German civilians after the war before they were shipped to Germany.

My point is that post WWII Poland was hard place to live for smashing majority of people.

But if somebody was commie could have good life ... being Jew or Pole. The other fact is that this system was imposed on Poland by Red Army.


You haven't "catched" it :) Maybe it is better.

could but it doesn't mean they did. I personally would not want to be in their shoes.


maybe. I think that it is better to be clear and not to resort to sarcasm. It is already forgotten.

Some did some didn't. It seems that those who did hated the most those who didn't


Why ?

I don't think that they could sleep at night, because I would not be able to. If if they benefited, it must have ended at one point. It was a small group of people who were making choices for profit or actually believed in communism - a pretty bad way to live.

What an eerie place it is. It has its own aura about it. It is full of information posts and evidence. Well worth going to and capturing the lull around it.

No Im not preaching anything. I just read something wrong, and I thought they they didn't learn about it at school.