Why Was D-Day So Significant for Poland ?

What I said....

Ok now I read your entire point or post. But militarily even if usa was not in the war in any way and britain sued for peace i just dont see it happening with the way they waged war.

Stalingrad was more significant. It was not the American tanks that rolled through and liberated Poland.

New article on the subject btw I just found:
nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/operation-barbarossa

An interesting scenario would have been if US was postponed for Japan and the land of the rising sun had decided to team up with Hitler in a pincher attack or a two front attack on Stalin:

nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/hitler-nazi-germany-pearl-harbor

During the first months whole armies just gave up and surrendered to the Wehrmacht. It had been so many that there weren't enough german soldiers to keep them all, but they weren't needed, the Russians didn't fight and obeyed....a "morale" was actually non-existent....they felt safer with the german army, they didn't want to fight anymore...

What did Hitler and his cronies do? Instead to take care of these masses of men, feed them, try to convince them to get back to the field and fight for their own liberation now with the military support of the Germans...nooo....they let them starve cruelly to death!

With that they made sure no Russian would again try to surrender and rather fight to the death, even if he feared Stalin, he hated the Nazis more!

THATS how the Germans lost that war, not because of weapons or lone battles or what not....

It was the Germans. That "Nazi" line is used to suggest that there were Germans in the German army that didn't want to have any of that and simply disobeyed the orders that were inhumane.

The US is at least honest and never claims that it was the Democrats who dropped the nukes. It was the US and the Americans. No whitewashing.

What did Hitler and his cronies do?..they let them starve to death!
"Hitler and his cronies" were a dozen guys. It was the millions of "good" Germans who "let them starve to death".

No, in this case it was the Nazis! These policies were made up, thought out, implemented and ordered by the members of the NSDAP and their believers...NAZIS!

They had unlimited resources of men though so that didnt matter. Plus unlimited geography again once they started to outproduce them with the t34 and other weapons and germans failed to capture and convert oilf or their productio in addition to germans never matching 1:1 the side of their army in front of them no matter how many they killed encircled etc. were always outnumbered it was done. They couldnt even capture two cities no matter how hard they tried how do you expect them to get to siberia where stalin mvoed all hisw ar production to? Stalingrad and Leningrad. Their logistics wouldnt even let them go that for or even to that aa line and slowly by slowly they would be outkilled and their tanks outnumbered more and more by t34s 20000 per month or whatever it was production.

The other thing to remember is Stalin ordered order 22 or the not one step back order and also started to let zhukov and his commanders command instead of try to be a general and less encirclements and mistakes from 1941 occurred. So the Germans never could count on that lasting that long.

They still needed them to be willing! What use would be men who fear the commissar behind them more than the enemy up front? Surrendering would become an option!

Hitler made sure it wasn't so...

Who dropped the nukes? Americans or the Democrats?

The president?

Who gives the order?

I would never lay the blame on a 10 year old child going to school somewhere in Sacramento, California for destroying Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

Interesting from that second article:


nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/hitler-nazi-germany-pearl-harbor

I dont know this seems kind of far streched to me. I always thought hitler was just cocky ad impatient and thats why he didnt dig in in late 41. It is possible though that he knew pearl harbour will happen way ahead of when it did? and he was trying to change their minds to attack the soviet union instead? maybe if hitler managed to take it right before winter truly hit and he had to dig his troops in late 41 japan would have done it?

If this is your answer, then it was Hitler, not Nazis.
Again, who decided to drop the nukes? Americans or the Democrats?

I think we can agree on that Hitler did everything wrong!

But then, he was a luckless painter....I put the blame on the professionals, the german High Command, they should have known better, they should have done something!


If that's my choice I say the Democrats. But even that would be wrong. I'm quite sure that alot of the million members of the Democratic Party had been against such mass destruction...

So, I put it to those people who actually ordered to "push the button" and those who actually "followed orders" and did push the button.

Please kindly accept my decision, thank you!

PS: To call "The Americans" is actually just a try to broaden the blame....to lessen the blame on those actually responsible!

Maybe if they went for the caucuses oil fields as the prime objective in 41 and instead of army groupe center had the bulk going south while diverting or making it look like they care about the other fronts and they actually captured that region and then dug in and held it who knows? They could have also launched fomr the middle east while capturing some of that iraqi and arab oil as well.

Even so....burning the land and turning a usually rather lethargic population into hostiles was the worst of all ways to go about it, they HAD to know that!

but thats the war they waged or only knew how. that was their method.

I disagree...the war they fighted in the West was totally different, no Untermenschen....it was the racist Nazi ideology which destroyed them, first Russia and then Germany.

I will when you drop that "Nazi" crap. It was the Germans, not just the Nazis, who cheered and supported "Hitler and his cronies" with smiles on their faces and love in their hearts when their brothers were killing people who did them no wrong.

Then came Stalingrad...and the smiles were gone.
Luckily, the Soviets didn't know the fate of their brothers taken prisoner by the barbarians or they would be justified in executing yours right there and then. Every last one for not applying for visas.

Do you really believe it had been "the Russians" who murdered the millions of people during Stalin's reign? (About 20 MILLION people)

Who murdered the polish intelligencia at Katyn? Russians or Stalinists?

All of them guilty? From the newborn baby to the old Babushka?


I dunno....if I follow your logic "The Russians" had been quite the barbarians themselves....murdering 20 million people (worse than the holocaust!)....maybe the Germans would had been right in trying to kill them all? To end that murdering and for revenge of course....

Your logic sucks seriously, Rich!

The Soviets. There was no such thing as "Stalinists". You are making this crap up to justify your "Nazis".
Off-subject but telling...Do blacks want reparations from the slave owners' estates or from the US taxpayers - including me?


And you would be right in a different conversation. This one is about German barbarisms.

Do you make a difference between the Soviets and the Russians? Why now?


Germany just agreed to pay a few Billions to the Hereros, because they colonized Namibia for a few years....ask me how I like that!

What I resent is this woke Western desire to spare your feeling with "it's the Nazis" line. At the very worst, British documentaries will say, "Nazi Germany" - as if there were two Germanys back then.

Germany had lotsa names during its long past....maybe they just use it to differ between the Germany's till 1933 and from 1945 onwards? :)

Before the breakup, it was the USSR or Soviet Union. Today, it's Russia or Russian Federation.

"Soviets" means also Communist, at least members of the communist party....I doubt the illiterate farmer could count as either...

But it all had been ethnical Russians (+assorted ethnicities).

So, you could also say Russians when you talk about their barbarism....but that's not so easy as you see them rather as the pure hearted "damsel in distress" fighting and winning against the german monsters!

Ask the Poles which barbarian they preferred as both sat over Poland to partition it like a cake!

So....either it was Nazis against Soviets....or Germans against Russians....that would be only fair, don't you think?

They should always use the official names. Editorializing names to convey feelings is dishonest.
There never was a "Nazi army". It was the German army and so was everything else - including the extermination camps.
When Germany was paying reparations to Israel, did the German government charge only the ex-Nazis? That was a rhetorical question.

@Bratwurst Boy

For me it's Germans against Russians.

That seems to be a problem.

Germany's official name between 1933 until 1943 had been
"The German Reich"....and between 1943 till 1945 it was
"The Greater German Reich".

That seems to overwhelm non-german readers and writers....nothing with Nazi innit!

Wrong and wrong.

Soviet:

1. an elected local, district, or national council in the former Soviet Union.
2. a citizen of the former Soviet Union.