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Why Was D-Day So Significant for Poland ?


Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11,952
25 Jun 2021 #121
Yeah...a council member.....you have to be a communist for that, a party member....don't tell me everybody and his grandmom could take part in that!

Interesting tidbit....after Hitlers rise to power he closed the acceptance of membership in the NSDAP. He feared (rightfully so) the masses of opportunists who now sought to gain influence in the new age with becoming members. Membership form 1933 onwards was now strictly controlled and more or less only awarded for special deeds (war heroes and such).

In the end there must have been millions more "Soviets" than actual Nazis around....does that make the Russians more compliant and guilty for those 20 million murdered people?
Novichok 4 | 7,924
25 Jun 2021 #122
1933 until 1943 had been "The German Reich"....and between 1943 till 1945 it was "The Greater German Reich".

To keep things simple, we are allowed good-faith abbreviations. Like Poland vs the Republic of Poland. "Nazi Germany" is not a good-faith abbreviation. It's an in-your-face, flagrant editorial.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11,952
25 Jun 2021 #123
Well, the Nazis had been the most important factor during 1933 till 1945 in the (Greater) German Reich....maybe the editors think that's missing?
Tacitus 2 | 1,392
25 Jun 2021 #124
they colonized Namibia for a few years

And commited a genocide within that short time frame. Though admittedly the Nazis were later even more "efficient" in that regard. It is good that we finally acknowledged this and settled this issue with rather paltry amount of money.

Germans against Russians

Well, the Soviet Union did not exclusively consist of Russians, most of the fighting was done in what is now Belarus and the Ukraine, and in terms of percentage both people suffered higher losses than ethnic Russians. Many Ukrainians are in fact annoyed that the suffering and triumph is often solely attributed to the Russians.

Besides, nobody calls the Weimar Republic German Reich, even contemporaries rarely did. Nazi Germany or the Nazis is and perfectly valid description.
Novichok 4 | 7,924
25 Jun 2021 #125
.does that make the Russians for compliant and guilty for those 20 million murdered people?

If they knew and supported it - yes. In 1938 and on, Germans knew about and supported the acquisitions and wars.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11,952
25 Jun 2021 #126
Many Ukrainians are in fact annoyed that the suffering and triumph is often solely attributed to the Russians.

Mabe because it's not the clear cut? Many Ukrainians greeted the Wehrmacht as liberators from the Russians, Hitler even promised them their own country at first.....another big blunder!

...Reinhard Heydrich noted in a report dated July 9, 1941 that "a fundamental difference between the former Polish and Russian [soviet] territories. In the former Polish region, the soviet regime was seen as enemy rule.... Hence the German troops were greeted by Polish as well as the White Ruthenian population [meaning Ukrainian and Belarussian] for the most part at least as liberators or with friendly neutrality.... "[6]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration_in_German-occupied_Ukraine
Tacitus 2 | 1,392
25 Jun 2021 #127
Germans knew about and supported the acquisitions and wars

The acquisitions maybe, but we know that most Germans were unhappy about the outbreak of the war, as many Gestapo informers noted.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11,952
25 Jun 2021 #128
But you know how it goes...as long as they are winning the doubting voices are always small and easy to overhear.....
AntV 4 | 699
25 Jun 2021 #129
but we know that most Germans were unhappy about the outbreak of the war, as many Gestapo informers noted.

The amount of support the war received within Germany is something I've wondered about. When you say most Germans, is there a reliable estimate about the percentage of ordinary Germans who were against war at the time?

as long as they are winning the doubting voices are always small and easy to overhear.....

Or, maybe, the repercussions of voicing opposition had more to do with it than the winning :{
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11,952
25 Jun 2021 #130
The amount of support the war received within Germany is something I've wondered about....

That is an interesting insight about the Germany the US soldiers encountered....it seems there were no Nazis at all (?)

nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/wwii-allies-impressions-of-germany
Tacitus 2 | 1,392
25 Jun 2021 #131
When you say most Germans, is there a reliable estimate about the percentage of ordinary Germans who were against war at the time?

No, because there were no independent polls in Nazi Germany and the regime had obviously no intention on casting doubts on the German resolve for war. We have however many Gestapo reports that inform us about the mood at social gatherings and at bars, and they are overwhelmingly pessimistic. Germans knew from their experience in WWI that there would inevitably huge suffering for both soldiers and civilians.
AntV 4 | 699
25 Jun 2021 #132
We have however many Gestapo reports that inform us about the mood at social gatherings and at bars, and they are overwhelmingly pessimistic

Was this reported pessimism consistent from 1933 until 1945, or was it just during the war years?

That is an interesting insight about the Germany the US soldiers encountered....it seems there were no Nazis at all (?)

Interesting, indeed.
Strzelec35 27 | 868
11 Jul 2021 #133
interesting. was germanys defeat inevitable the way they and hitler raged war?

youtu.be/9mAzZEZ3BZs
OP johnny reb 50 | 7,216
7 Jun 2023 #134
Again this year, not a single European here showed respect and appreciation for what it's U.S. allied troops sacrificed for them on June 6, 1944 (D-Day)

How quickly a couple of generations that may have never been born forget.
Simply disgusting.
mafketis 37 | 10,925
7 Jun 2023 #135
not a single European here showed respect and appreciation

the forum is about Poland and Poland played no direct role in D-Day....

your 'patriotism' is simply expanded externalized narcissism

those who should did remember:

twitter.com/MichaelWarbur17/status/1666027889484021762
OP johnny reb 50 | 7,216
7 Jun 2023 #136
the forum is about Poland and Poland played no direct role in D-Day....

You got it backwards son, the U.S. played a direct role on D-Day for Poland.
Listen and learn Mr. Moderator
Kashub1410 6 | 684
7 Jun 2023 #137
@johnny reb
I think we appreciate it, regardless of showing it or not.

I can guarantee you that American military has my respect, land, air and navy despite it's bombardment of Monte Cassino. That should tell you something
jon357 74 | 22,730
7 Jun 2023 #138
your 'patriotism' is simply expanded externalized narcissism

Essentially yes.

Polish troops did of course take part in the campaign that started with D-Day and continued the Battle of Normandy along with Czechs, Kiwis, Free French, Belgians and a few others. The overwhelming majority were of course British, Canadian and American. All of those countries' troops played an essential role. Just as the war against Japan was a coalition of nations, all of them necessary.
gumishu 14 | 6,288
7 Jun 2023 #139
the forum is about Poland and Poland played no direct role in D-Day....

a couple of Polish warships played a part in artillery support of the landing British and Canadian troops (look up Polish wikipedia on the subject)
Alien 21 | 5,260
8 Jun 2023 #140
D-Day gave the Poles hope that they would be liberated by the Western Allies, which unfortunately did not happen.
Miloslaw 20 | 4,813
8 Jun 2023 #141
That is the complete truth from a Polish perspective.

The Poles thought that the liberation of France would lead to the liberation of all of Europe,including Poland, but those bastard Russians had other ideas.

Which is one reason why so many of us hate Russians.
OP johnny reb 50 | 7,216
8 Jun 2023 #142
D-Day gave the Poles hope that they would be liberated by the Western Allies, which unfortunately did not happen.

The Poles in Buchenwald prison camp that the Americans liberated may disagree with you.
Miloslaw 20 | 4,813
8 Jun 2023 #143
The Poles in Buchenwald prison camp may disagree with you.

Why?
OP johnny reb 50 | 7,216
8 Jun 2023 #144
The Poles in Buchenwald prison camp, that the Americans liberated, may disagree with you.

Why?

You shortened my sentence or you would know why.
Kashub1410 6 | 684
9 Jun 2023 #145
@johnny reb
Poles as a whole, meaning the whole nation. Not in sense of only a few individual Poles
OP johnny reb 50 | 7,216
9 Jun 2023 #146
Not in sense of only a few individual Poles

Bullshit said the sparrow, let's eat.
The nation of Poland was very grateful with the Americans liberating Polish prisoners.
Give credit where credit is do and quit being so ungrateful to Americans sacrifices for Poland and the rest of Europe.
Would you care to post how many American soldiers sacrificed theirs lives on June 6, 1944 at Normandy ?
Kashub1410 6 | 684
9 Jun 2023 #147
@johnny reb
D-Day gave hope for Poland to be liberated, not gave hope about individual Poles being liberated. What difference does it make to be liberated from a prison, just to be sent back home to another one?

Let's be real here
OP johnny reb 50 | 7,216
9 Jun 2023 #148
D-Day gave hope for Poland to be liberated, not gave hope about individual Poles being liberated.

Again, tell that to the Polish prisoners that were being held in those unbearable conditions at Buchenwald.
You seem to be clueless to that.
Tell that to their Polish parents.
And I am still waiting for you to post the number of Americans that gave the ultimate sacrifice on June 6, 1944 at Normandy.
Let's be real here.
Kashub1410 6 | 684
9 Jun 2023 #149
@johnny reb
What if I told you that in my blood flows same DNA that was a prisoner of a German prison encampment? Real enough for you? I have a busy life, I wish I could post more on this forum. I useally have to shorten my posts during breaks too. No need to be obnoxious about it
OP johnny reb 50 | 7,216
9 Jun 2023 #150
my blood flows same DNA that was a prisoner of a German prison encampment

What's your point, your blood has nothing to do with D-Day or those prison camps.
Then you of anyone should understand and be more than grateful individually to have Polish war prisoners liberated by American soldiers.

No need to be obnoxious about it

The hell too, boy, especially when you try to glorify yourself with your blood flow remark. Pfffft !
I have uncirculated historic pictures that were taken in those camps by American soldiers. You don't.
I had relatives that liberated those camps, you didn't.
I have relatives that died at Normandy on D-Day to help defeat the Nazi's, you don't.
That makes me more of an authority than you on the subject.
So if I seem obnoxious, I have ever right to get steamed when some ungrateful Polish kid tries to diminish D-Day and glorify himself.
And you still haven't posted how many American soldiers gave the ultimate on June 6, 1944 at Normandy for you Europeans.

Here junior, I dug this up just for you so it may sink in for what the American soldiers did for Poland and it's prisoners of war.

Read it and weep like I did.

nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/american-forces-enter-buchenwald-1945


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