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Why Was D-Day So Significant for Poland ?


pawian 178 | 15,558
8 Jun 2021 #31
The same with those stupid nothing islands in the Pacific

They weren`t so insignificant. Think hard and tell us why it was crucial they were under Am control.

the Germans asked for by attacking them four years ago.

Four years ago was in 2017. I didn`t hear about such an attack neither then nor later. :):):):) Polish your English, please.
Novichok 1 | 2,596
8 Jun 2021 #32
They weren`t so insignificant.

Hey, if you want to die for a stupid rock in the middle of nowhere, knock yourself out. I will place flowwers on your grave - if they ever find you.
pawian 178 | 15,558
9 Jun 2021 #33
if you want to die for a stupid rock in the middle of nowhere

You know little not only about the history of Poland but also the history of the USA. Capturing those stupid rocks through a campaign of "frog leaps" was crucial to advance towards Japan and gain bases and airports which could be a good foothold for air raids and later for an invasion.

knock yourself out

Yes, we know you are lousy at history. :):)
Alien
9 Jun 2021 #34
1000 Germans to one American is just about right.

Isn't it to high. Wehrmacht has killed betwen 20-50 Poles for 1 killed soldier in Poland.
Velund 1 | 477
9 Jun 2021 #35
Polish your English, please.

Why not english your Polish? ;)
Novichok 1 | 2,596
9 Jun 2021 #36
for air raids and later for an invasion.

Bullsh*it! There was no need for an invasion. In fact, there was no invasion, genius! It's you who needs history lessons. The US needed only one of those stinking islands to fly from to bomb the hell out of the Japs in Japland proper. Once that was in place, with or without the nukes, Japs were toast without one American dying on some God-forsaken crappy rock with no name.

Wehrmacht has killed between 20-50 Poles for 1 killed soldier in Poland.

Which made killing individual German soldiers beyond idiotic. I guess the supply heroes would dry out without that.
Crow 148 | 9,286
9 Jun 2021 #37
Why Was D-Day So Significant for Poland ?

Very significant. Friends of Poland decided to end WWII which they themselves organized.

With such a friends Poland even don`t need enemies.
Novichok 1 | 2,596
9 Jun 2021 #38
which they themselves organized.

How about made possible through ignorance, wishful thinking, and appeasement. Western men are great at all three, including now. When they finally wake from their happy stupor, it's always too late. Unfortunately, the spineless US is now part of this Euro malaise.
Crow 148 | 9,286
9 Jun 2021 #39
How about made possible through ignorance, wishful thinking, and appeasement.

Especially when they can profit in opportunity.

Western men are great at all three, including now. When they finally wake from their happy stupor, it's always too late.

When they wake up only remain of Western world would be Slavic world.
Novichok 1 | 2,596
9 Jun 2021 #40
When they wake up only remain of Western world would be Slavic world.

And that is why anyone who protects the Slavic world - an ex-KGB hero of mine included - is a good guy.

Resisting the internal rot as it is advanced by the gay and gender freaks is a nice bonus. In this context and with the dark masses pouring into white Europe, all those Americans who died on the D-Day would have probably reconsidered their desire to participate. Unfortunately, the majority had no choice.
pawian 178 | 15,558
9 Jun 2021 #41
There was no need for an invasion. In fact, there was no invasion, genius!

As I said, you are ignorant about history. There was no invasion coz Americans managed to develop the atomic bomb.

The US needed only one of those stinking islands

Oh, you are really a strategic genius. So, you would advise AMs to capture only one island and leave all other around under Japanese control? hahaha
Bratwurst Boy 11 | 10,710
9 Jun 2021 #42
all those Americans who died on the D-Day would have probably reconsidered their desire to participate.

Hmmm....I just read that one-third of American troops during WWII were German-Americans...many of them fightin in the european theater, liberating Europe....I wonder what they would think and say....

digitalcommons.georgiasouthern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1088&context=aujh
Novichok 1 | 2,596
9 Jun 2021 #43
leave all other around under Japanese control?

Yes, and let them starve to death. Or drop some napalm to keep them warm. Whatever, except sending 5,000 men to their deaths. But I am sure that you would volunteer to be a dead hero there after you planted the flag.

Control my ass. A bunch of fanatics who don't even have "surrender" in their Jap dictionary and think that some a-hole is God - holed up in caves. Some control. Sure.

Napalm is the only way to deal with scum like this.
pawian 178 | 15,558
9 Jun 2021 #44
Yes, and let them starve to death

And in the meantime wait and watch Japanese kamikaze planes or boats taking off or sailing from "their" islands. hahahaha

Or drop some napalm to keep them warm

What was the point of doing it if Japanese soldiers were hiding in the complex system of tunnels and caves?

It is clear that books and films about the war in the Pacific weren`t your hobby like mine. ):):) Darling, I knew these basic facts when I was 10 years old.
Novichok 1 | 2,596
9 Jun 2021 #45
watch Japanese kamikaze planes or boats taking off or sailing from "their" islands.

Hey, genius, there was a moment when the US had total control of the skies. Where a lot of Americans died was during mopping us Japs "hiding in the complex system of tunnels and caves". Those Japs were not flying kamikaze planes but they sure were deadly. Duh!
pawian 178 | 15,558
9 Jun 2021 #46
when the US had total control of the skies.

No, darling, it isn`t true. You don`t have total control if kamikaze planes still break through your defences and sink your ships to the very end of the war.

Those Japs were not flying kamikaze planes .

Yes, but Americans had to invade those island to see for themselves. Today you are wise coz you licked some history here and there. But it wasn`t so obvious in 1944 and 45.

Where a lot of Americans died was during mopping us Japs

I see fury is blinding you coz again you are making silly mistakes. Try to come back to your senses and quality English.
Novichok 1 | 2,596
9 Jun 2021 #47
There was never going to be an invasion. Quoting from npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122591119

American war planners projected that a land invasion of Japan could cost the lives of up to a million U.S. soldiers and many more Japanese.

Japan being full of fanatics looked like a dozen Stalingrads on steroids. There was no way the US could justify that many dead Americans to accomplished what a naval blockade with a never-ending bombardment of anything that moves and is taller than 6 feet could get done. If you destroy power plants, water and food supplies, and keep oil from reaching their ports, even the fanatics will eventually blink or simply die - Dresden-style if lucky. It would take longer, but it was doable from a strictly military point of view. Politics and the desire to wrap it fast is a separate subject.
pawian 178 | 15,558
10 Jun 2021 #48
that a land invasion of Japan could cost the lives of up to a million U.S. soldiers

Yes, such were the rough estimates of the invasion.

There was never going to be an invasion.

Really??? You didn`t prove that the invasion was out of the question. You only showed they were aware of potential losses.

Do you see that warped logic of yours??? Dementia??? hahaha

Try to find a better source for your claim.

PS. Don`t waste time, I will have mercy on you and tell you that the invasion remained an option all the time. Think hard now - what would Americans do if f Japanese hadn`t surrendered even after having dozens cities obliterated by atomic strikes????
Novichok 1 | 2,596
10 Jun 2021 #49
Simple. The naval blockade and the bombardment of everything needed to sustain life. Targets: power stations, water supply, food storage, trains, trucks,...
The Japs would turn into cannibals or starve to death. Or suck rocks Japan is made out of.

Think hard, naive little boy, and recall how to spell Leningrad. And that the US could continue this for a very, very long time at virtually no cost while providing its pilots with great training. Doesn't get any better, does it, my darling?

OK, sweetie, how long would you last without food, water, and shelter in winter while watching your kids dying? 72 hours or less?

And don't forget that the Russians in Leningrad had no option of surrendering and staying alive. The Japs would, sweetie.
Intimidation - | 7
10 Jun 2021 #50
It wasn't. It was just a symbol and a way to keep the Soviets form reaching the Atlantic to spread communism thus dividing Europe between capitalism and communism. It had no impact on the actual war. Hitler was done some say since Smolensk 1941 the signs were there he would lose maybe if he did everything right and in 1942 cid not split the army group south in two when going to Stalingrad and the caucauses and just bypassed Stalingrad and got the oil he had one lat chance to draw the war to make it a draw where the soviets may settle for some terms or line. But the original Barbarossa goal was the Arkhangelsk line which they did not get even close to reaching nor would have if there was really no defenders in front of them since they were not fully motorized nor had long enough supply lines.
pawian 178 | 15,558
10 Jun 2021 #51
starve to death

Do you really believe that would make them surrender? I highly doubt it. They were prepared mentally for such a situation. It is obvious you know nothing of the Japanese fanatic resistance during WW2.

recall how to spell Leningrad.

This lack of intelligence or simple dementia that pours out of each of yuor posts is really amazing. You claim one thing first and then provide me with arguments to turn your claims into rubbish. Yes, Leningrad. Soviets resisted for 3 years though 900.000 people died, mostly of starvation. And they would have lasted the next 3 years if it had been necessary.

Remember, darling - Both Japan and the Soviet Union weren`t democratic countries during the war - they were totalitarian dictatorships. You can`t use the same measure that is used for democracies. Citizens don`t matter, it is the state that matters. Soviet and Japanese citizens knew this rule perfectly.

how long would you last without food, water, and shelter in winter

Again, your old mistake. You use 21th century realities to talk about the past. It is very silly of you to be so stubborn.

How long are you going to show your historic ignorance and dementia here??? hahahaha Coz you won`t tire me if you are hoping for it - I will crush your false or infantile opinions to the very end. :):)
Novichok 1 | 2,596
10 Jun 2021 #52
how long would you last without food, water, and shelter in winter

Hey, cutie pie, Russians had no choice. Japs would be flooded with leaflets about the fact that the war has ended and Germany in no longer an ally and recovering. That is not helping any to endure things.

Guys were fanatical morons. Fine. Women with children are never that stupid. How long would the Japanese women and kids last? How long would Hirohito let it last?

Plus, the US could make Dresden look like a backyard cookout. The war was already over, the Japanese navy and air force gone, and all the US planes would be available to make Japan flat like your desk. Day in, day out, with no end in sight.

Your arguments are as idiotic as they come. Because the Japs were fanatical idiots and would rather starve to death than surrender, therefore, the US should be as fanatical and lose a million guys to invade. Sure, that would go really well in Congress. That would not be even close to Leningrad. It would hell just like Hiroshima and Nagasaki - except spread over time, not three days. How long did the Japs last after the second nuke? Yeah, I know, it was years - because they were fanatical.

So, cut the crap and tell me that in 1945, with everybody exhausted and looking forward to normal life, you, the military genius, would send about a million Americans to die in Japan so they can sign a piece of paper. Sure.

Or seek help.
pawian 178 | 15,558
10 Jun 2021 #53
Japs would be flooded with leaflets

I see. Those lethal leaflets would surely convince them to surrender. hahahaha

How long would the Japanese women and kids last?

The military dictatorship didn`t care about them. You still apply the democratic measure to a totalitarian country. Huge mistake.

the US should be as fanatical and lose a million guys to invade.

Darling, show me the post where I say this. :):)

with everybody exhausted and looking forward to normal life,

Yes, again you are contradicting yourself. Didn`t you say earlier: And that the US could continue this for a very, very long time at virtually no cost while providing its pilots with great training. Doesn't get any better, does it, my darling?

It is obvious that furious dementia is blinding you all the time coz you can`t reason logically.
Novichok 1 | 2,596
10 Jun 2021 #54
Contradicting my ass.

With the naval blockade to keep oil and food away from them, power plants and everything else in ruins - for fu*cking ever!

Have you heard of carpet bombing, sweetie? Plane after plane, offloading bombs - hence, "bombing" - with no losses on the US side. From that high, they wouldn't even risk smelling burnt flesh or hear the screams. Another benefit: what a great way to dispose of those bombs the US didn't need anymore in Europe.

How long would you last? Go ahead, cutie, give me a number.
pawian 178 | 15,558
10 Jun 2021 #55
Contradicting my ass.

I see. Does it mean you acknowledge your illogicality? Thank you.

Have you heard of carpet bombing,

Yes, I have and I also heard it didn`t break the Japanese resistance. So, why are you mentioning it at all???

with no losses on the US side.

Are you sure??? Please, remember about dementia! You`d better check your sources. hahaha

How long would you last?

Darling, I hope you do realise it is a stupid question which only further discloses your dementia. :):):) Are you asking me as Pawian living in democratic Europe in 21st century? Or are you asking me as a Japanese living in totalitarian Japan in 1945???
Novichok 1 | 2,596
10 Jun 2021 #56
Yes, I have and I also heard it didn`t break the Japanese resistance.

It did. Two little carpets and it was over.

Seriously, you are beyond mental. I will repeat only one more time. In 1945, Japan had no navy and no airforce. The skies and the seas belonged to the US. Are you following or did you lose it already?

OK. Let's move on. The incremental decision the US faced in the summer of 45 was: to nuke or to invade. If the US had no nukes then, it had another option: attrition. With all the assets at its command, the US could starve a rock called Japan with the blockade and the daily destruction of everything that stands or moves. OK so far?

Attrition is slower but it has an end under the steady and unrelenting assault from the air. Dresden didn't last very long, did it? So, little boy, it can be done.

If you are now claiming that that the Japs could go on like this forever, you are seriously ill and this convo is over. No, I am not having a mental breakdown.
pawian 178 | 15,558
10 Jun 2021 #57
Two little carpets and it was over.

You mean atomic bombs? No, that was sth a lot different from conventional carpet bombing even with incendiary bombs. Think hard and tell us why. :):)

And when you said the skies and the seas belonged to the US, it is also a false conviction. Check your sources, please. :):)

did you lose it already?

I see you are losing all the time yet you rise and fight on. Like a fanatic Japanese. Amazing. hahaha

attrition.

But you already said that everybody was worn out by the war and wanted to go home. Didn`t you? :):)

Dresden didn't last very long, did it?

Again, you are making a huge mistake by trying to juxtapose two different nationalities in WW2 time - Germans and Japanese. It is so funny how you freely juggle with historical, social, cultural intricacies. Typical symptom of dementia - you are reasoning like a primary school pupil. :):)

If you are now claiming that that the Japs could go on like this forever

Yes, I claim that conventional warfare wouldn`t make Japanese surrender and you didn`t prove that I am wrong. Quite the contrary, I am relentlessly proving you are.

Don't overdo the quotes please, I'm sure I told you this before
Velund 1 | 477
10 Jun 2021 #58
they were totalitarian dictatorships. You can`t use the same measure that is used for democracies. Citizens don`t matter, it is the state that matters.

US is "standard of democracy" (as it was told many times). So, maybe there is some Constitution amendment that permit citizens to treason and defect, if in fight for their country their lives is in danger? As you try to tell, it is citizens that matter, not the state, in a democracy.

I start to suspect, that modern meaning of the word "democracy" is drifted out too far from their initial meaning, and we should start to work on modern MSM to old good English terminology vocabulary?

PS: I start to suspect, as well, that vast majority of current population has not so much relation to "we, the people of..." ;)
Lyzko 30 | 7,455
11 Jun 2021 #59
In theory, for certain! In practice? Trump nearly destroyed that standard.
Velund 1 | 477
11 Jun 2021 #60
In theory, for certain! In practice?

In theory, communism is the best formation, as well. But practice..... ;) ;)


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