Prezes K
Yes, Kwaśniewski is a great man.
Poland and Britain started WW2
Yes, Kwaśniewski is a great man.
I woulnd't go that far..... a better president overall than Wałęsa but flawed and not.... great.
In the future Bereza Kartuska and the May Coup will be discussed only by historians specializing in the period.
I see. You advocate national amnesia.
How about Ukraine and its Bandera whose contribution to Wołyń will also be remembered only by Ukrainian historians ???
Pułaski, Paderewski, Piłsudski, Prezydent Wałęsa, Premier Tusk, Pan Kleks...all great Poles start with "P".
Pawian.
great.
The right person for the time is always great. He wasn't perfect, however he did what was written on the label and of course he was from the better side of the political spectrum.
Wołyń
This should never be forgotten. It should be remembered with sadness more than anger and as part of the whole horrors of that part of the twentieth century.
This should never be forgotten
Yes. Just like Piłsudski`s ignoble acts.
Better to remember the good things and decide how societies should move forward, away from capitalism, gun violence and nationalism.
away from capitalism,
What???? :):):)
Capitalism is good!!! It makes the world go round, contrary to communism. :):)
Better to remember the good things
Sure, jon357:
latnet.org/org-blog/2022/1/27/holocaust-remembrance-day-never-forget-never-again
Why should we remember about the homosexual prisoners of Nazi concentration camps, right? 🙄🤦
Why should we remember about the homosexual prisoners of Nazi concentration
Odd you mention that specific group.
We should of course remember all crimes of fascism, nationalism and totalitarianism as a whole. To understand how they occurred and to prevent them happening again.
Even more than that, we should focus on glimmers of hope, on the people who defy the mob, who make situations better rather than worse. We should look at their example as beacons of light in dark times and encourage people to emulate their decency.
@jon357, it's not odd at all, you know very well why I mentioned it.
Exactly.
We should of course remember all crimes of fascism, nationalism and totalitarianism as a whole.To understand how they occurred and to prevent them happening again.
Exactly.
@Paulina
All of the 'forgotten' groups (I'd includeNon-Jewish Poles, Roma/Sinti, Trade Unionists,Black people, Jehovah's Witnesses, LGBT, Freemasons, Occultists, Communists and people who as individuals fell (as I do) into more than one of those groups) deserve to have their stories told. We shouldn't forget that it was primarily a crime against Jews, however those other groups are often forgotten by the wider world due to the scale of the crime.
Above all, we must say Never Again.
And I do worry about the camps in China.
At least the two countries mentioned in the title of this thread have clean hands regarding WW2.
All of the 'forgotten' groups (I'd includeNon-Jewish Poles, Roma/Sinti, Trade Unionists,Black people, Jehovah's Witnesses, LGBT, Freemasons, Occultists, Communists and people who as individuals fell (as I do) into more than one of those groups) deserve to have their stories told. We shouldn't forget that it was primarily a crime against Jews, however those other groups are often forgotten by the wider world due to the scale of the crime.
Above all, we must say Never Again.
And I do worry about the camps in China.
At least the two countries mentioned in the title of this thread have clean hands regarding WW2.
people who as individuals fell (as I do) into more than one of those groups) de
May I guess: Jehovah's Witnesses and LGBT?
MYOB.
The point is to remember not only the victims and survivors, but those who risked everything in dark and dangerous times.
Some people say the war was between 1939 and 1945. That's a very legalistic way of looking at it. Really it all started earlier, from the rise of the nazis, the Holodomor, the Stalin terror if not before and went on in one way or another in some places until into the 1950s.
The point is to remember not only the victims and survivors, but those who risked everything in dark and dangerous times.
Some people say the war was between 1939 and 1945. That's a very legalistic way of looking at it. Really it all started earlier, from the rise of the nazis, the Holodomor, the Stalin terror if not before and went on in one way or another in some places until into the 1950s.
The war started because Stalin and Hitler could not agree over who should own Poland and the Baltic states. Keep in mind that the so called free democracies of the United States and UK, never came to the aid of Poland and say Poland "has a right to exist." Hitler is a pinko commie. The Nazi movement was a communist movement in the beginning. It was only after the dispute about Poland did Hitler change his stance. He still a socialist. President Roosevelt even politely visited Stalin even after it was known the Ukrainian genocide. He knew what was in store for Poland, and it did not include Poland to become its own state.
The Nazi movement was a communist movement in the beginning
It wasn't. It was the very opposite and right from the start was bankrolled by industrial capitalists. They banned Trade Unions.
Hitler is a pinko commie.
What a silly comment.
The war started because
The causes are more complex, however a nationalistic sense of "manifest destiny" among the Germans as well as access to oil both play their part. There was no single cause.
You don't believe me? Read The Roosevelt Myth by John Flynn
Unbelievable
by John Flynn
A journalist who was a well-known Germany apologist as well as holding extreme political views.
Theere are better books on WW2. In fact, almost all of them are better.
And yes, the fascist government in Germany were to blame for that war; they started it. Poland was innocent of that.
Unbelievable
Yes. Unbelievable. Next he'll blame the victims of the Holocaust for the Holocaust.
A journalist who was a well-known Germany apologist as well as holding extreme political views.
That is why he states that all the communist supported Hitler. In fact, communism was pro-peace. It was only Hitler and Stalin could not agree about Poland, did all the "pro peace" communist become pro war.
He used the word "pinko" because many of these communist, including Hitler were homosexual.
That is why he states that all the communist supported Hitler
He could state what he liked. The opposite is true. The political left opposed the Nazis and their racist filth.
He used the word "pinko"
Foreign slang.
these communist, including Hitler were homosexual.
No they weren't and no he wasn't. Ask Eva Braun
Your journalist sounds like a loony.
No they weren't and no he wasn't. Ask Eva Braun
Many communist were homosexual. In fact, communism was very much pro-Hitler. Stalin and Hitler were buddies. It was just after their argument over who should run Poland, did the stooges for Stalin become anti-Hitler.
Read the book the Roosevelt myth. There is nothing in that book that is not factual even if it has a slant towards being pro-polish for condemning the UK and the US,for not telling Stalin and Hitler that Poland should have its own sovereignty and government.
johnny reb 48 | 8129
19 Jan 2023 #172
May I guess: Jehovah's Witnesses and LGBT?
I think you just nailed it
He used the word "pinko" because many of these communist, including Hitler were homosexual.
This is true
Many communist were homosexual.
Many people of all political views (sometimes extreme, mostly moderate) or none are. Plus the 50% of the population who are on a spectrum between gay and straight in their orientation. That's a lot of voters. No shortage of right-wingers either, not that this is sexuality is relevant to politics since there is no hard and fast correlation between the two things.
Stalin and Hitler were buddies.
They weren't. They never met.
did the stooges for Stalin
What 'stooges' do you mean?
And why do you think Poland was to blame for its own invasion?
The book doesn't sound interesting. Something by an American journalist wth a grudge against a great President. Read something (not online) written by a rigorous historian instead.
What 'stooges' do you mean?
All the pinko communist of the 1930s were pro Hitler. They were homosexual and Hitler was also a homo. They were all "peace not war." Hitler said that Poland should be dissolved into Germany. Stalin said Poland should be dissolved into USSR. The argument broke out into war. Then all the pinko communist were pro war. And I do not even need to talk about the fact that Pearl Harbor was staged. They knew it was coming and were going to use it as a lever to get into the war.
Most Americans were anti-war as how unpopular World War 1 was. They did not want to get involved. What a convenience Pearl Harbor was? A great lever to get America into an unpopular war. Did I mention Roosevelt visited Stalin even after he knew about the Ukrainian genocide?
pinko
What's with the 'pinko' thing? What does that even mean?
And no, Communists didn't 'support Hitler'. They were two opposites.
Not were any significant figures in the Communist movement LGBT and very few fascists
Pearl Harbour wasn't 'staged' and nobody cares nowadays what the American public thought about the Great War of 1914-1918 It was nearly over by the time their government got involved.
Are you still trying to blame Poland for WW2?
It's a bad idea to victim blame, especially given how devastating WW2 was for Poland and how many millions of Poles both gentile and Jewish were murderer buy right-wing nationalists.
pinko = gay homosexual communist
The Nazi movement was pro Stalin.
Hitler was a pinko, it was only after his dispute with Stalin over Poland did he become anti-communist.
Listen to Yuri Bezemnov. The Soviet Union practiced apartheid. He even wrote letters to Jane Fonda, saying that she is a 'useful idiot' The Soviet Union even said who you were allowed to marry (just like the nazis). Just look at history. Once the useful idiots succeed in establishing communism, the useful idiots are put out. Once they see what communism really, they would no longer support it. Communist governments know this and that is why they have this policy.
That is why Hitler took out the brown shirts once he took power. The brown shirts were full of communist and homosexuals. That is why John Flynn uses the word 'pinko'
The Nazi movement was pro Stalin.
Hitler was a pinko, it was only after his dispute with Stalin over Poland did he become anti-communist.
Listen to Yuri Bezemnov. The Soviet Union practiced apartheid. He even wrote letters to Jane Fonda, saying that she is a 'useful idiot' The Soviet Union even said who you were allowed to marry (just like the nazis). Just look at history. Once the useful idiots succeed in establishing communism, the useful idiots are put out. Once they see what communism really, they would no longer support it. Communist governments know this and that is why they have this policy.
That is why Hitler took out the brown shirts once he took power. The brown shirts were full of communist and homosexuals. That is why John Flynn uses the word 'pinko'
Communists didn't 'support Hitler'.
Of course they did, until 1941.
No they didn't.
They were in a secret alliance with the fascists due to Poland. They didn't support their politics.
Pinko sounds a made up foreign slang word. Nothing to do with either sexuality or economic theory.
They didn't.
And you still avoid the question which is why you think Poland and Britain were responsible for WW2.
They were in a secret alliance with the fascists due to Poland. They didn't support their politics.
pinko
Pinko sounds a made up foreign slang word. Nothing to do with either sexuality or economic theory.
The Soviet Union even said who you were allowed to marry
They didn't.
And you still avoid the question which is why you think Poland and Britain were responsible for WW2.
a secret alliance with the fascists due to Polan
It wasn't secret, it was open alliance and continued after the division of Poland.
It wasn't secret
It was certainly secret until people found out, and it wasn't an alliance.