Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious?

Don't we all?

well i do hope not, i don't speak about England or Scotland like they are the centre of the earth, i also don't try and convince people England or Scotland is repsonsible for things they are not. I know the sun does not shine out of the backside of either country and i don't kid myslef or anyone else for that matter.

I read this list, and most of companiest there have nothing to do with eastern Germany. Most have been build in 1980's and just build one of their factories/centers in eastern Germany but their headquaters and stake holders are from other places. Of course it is better than nothing and maybe some new companies will develope in result of cooperation (we do the same in Poland) but still (...)Most of companies on the list have been developed before any easter German could have private company.

Yeah right dnt preach that ********, w/germans had it so good w/ the US and Britain trying to make it a beacon of capitalism after WW2. Poland not only had to rebuild a whole country they also brought down communism while they were at it. Its a testimony to the Polish spirit that during the GFC Poland was the only country to record a economic growth.

Harry is an Australian and I am sure he is proud of the fact:)


Britain never lies of course, that is why they chose not to refer to Katyn as a Soviet crime up until the nineties.


I take it that you don't agree, can you name anybody better?......

Of course you can't that means that they were.


No that is a lie Nathan, you seem to be quite good at it.


wasn't Goebbles it was Himmler and if memeory serves me right he was refering to his own kids.

Who does? I would like to point to you a little fact which seems to have escaped your attention - that very forum is dedicated to Poland.


Its very enigmatic, in response:
1. Number of accusation , slagging and lies, not to mention mockery on this very forum it is unreal, so some people react stronger that would have otherwise.

2. I happened to hear English saying that they made America!


Well, I don't claim it either, but there some Britons on this forum to whom it did happen few times:)

The whole crap about selling Ukraine if its true who cares the ukranians always hated the poles they only teamed up because they hated the Russians more [although they were once part of Russia themselves].

Harry and others that are from a country that once did or still does hate us poles, of course you would be saying bad things about our countries history so please just stop writing. I will only listen to someone from a country that doesn't hates poles. >=[

Exactly.

Bratwurst boy, the only reason everybody [well, maybe not everyone] thinks Germany's so amazing is because of everything they have although almost everything they have was stolen from other countries or financed by things that were stolen from other countries. Without Poland Germany would be nothing, for example- sports: fifa soccer Podolski, Klose.

Although i exagerated its mostly true.

These days, when somebody asks me where I'm from I say "Poland".

This is a silly topic best illustrated by the original post.

That fact that Poland has existed for over a millennium is simple evidence of a glorious history...A nation does not endure for this period of time without a high degree of national awareness from it's people.

The United States has been in existence for less than 250, yet it is considered by many the most glorious nation of all...You can debate the merits of this assertion...Poland has been in existence 4x as long, in one form or another.

How did they steal Klose and Podolski? And how did Gutenberg steal printing from the Chinese? Where did Kant steal the categorical imperative? Is the storm and stress movement Polish?

Thats because of what Poland did to Ukraine in stealing land from them.


Has never happened


Even though Lazarus can't speak or read Polish after 22 years of living in Poland ?

Never happened.

Sure !
Whenever in your history that you didn't commit to Exploit the people of other countries (like most of Europeans) is the greatest Glory and honor for you.

Since in Asia there are worst memories ...

During most of that period, Poland wasn't independent which means they missed out on all that.

Of course, Poland got rid of communism and PiS in free elections.

Free or with the little help of foreign friends? PiS was much better than this set of clowns and saboteurs.
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Do you have a problem?

Those two achievements both really impressive and it sent a message that went beyond Poland.

The first showed that Soviet hegemony over Eastern Europe was not set in stone (or as other say, the first stone was removed from the Berlin wall during the protests inGdansk) and the second that democratic backsliding could be reversed. Thanks to that, Poland seems no longer in danger of following in the footsteps of Orban's Hungary.

yeah, breaking the law is good when the EU approves (I understand you know literally nothing about Poland especially about the time since the "democratic opposition" took power)

I know that their attempts of undoing the damage that PiS has done is partly frustrated by the current president, but this will hopefully be resolved after the presidential election.

like what damage, if you don't mind going into details

@gumishu
International reputation, assertive rhetoric that is seen as fascist unless it's a leftist government. Not rolling over in the media over every little thing either U.S or E.U project wanted to do. Being generally negative or pessimistic towards the west and not identical with other political parties in the west with regards to values, economic plans or joint projects and being at odds with the political party they prefer in Poland. Not to mention either appointing nobody or a person not being able to handle or influence E.U beauricrats.

Internally they did incredible damage to the rule of law, while externally they severely harmed Poland's international reputation and standing in Europe.

In a sense PiS got lucky that they got voted out when they did because they otherwise would now be forced to explain the dead end they positioned Poland into.

I agree with you. They should have used the newspeak of progressives while talking with progressives, promise them every little thing, and then deliver nothing. At the same time, they should have a decisive set of policies that would disregard the EU and progressive and German BS.
PiS was using rhetoric and promises to keep their voters in check while at the same time they were obeying the EU BS, trying to argue about some little things which Polish people do not want anyway. In the end, voters stopped trusting them, and the German EU always treated them like outsiders and undesirable elements no matter what they did.

Always amusing to see that kind of PiS deflection. The PiS government managed to alienate every other EU country except Orban's Hungary, but it ultimately all boiled down to a nefarious plot from Berlin, which of course also runs the EU.

Leaving aside the stereotypes, that view always betrayed a profound lack of insight into how the EU works (per consensus with rules favouring the small countries). The fact that Putin's proxy Hungary has such veto power should really disapprove any such notions.

What PiS defection? It is a fact, and everybody agrees it is a fact.
Whether they alienated all countries or not don't know. I'm arguing that if they were to alienate them in the good cause, like in defining Poland's interest against BS's policies coming from Berlin via Brussels, that would be a good thing.
Unfortunately, they were signing everything while lying to their voters about their alleged defence of Poland's interest.

Hey, azzhole, stop worrying about ever country other than Germany.

My problem here is that you and BB are both Germans. The difference couldn't be greater; you are an embarrassment.

We, Americans, rip into our ruling mob daily. See PAK, Joker, and me.

You do, too...bravo for your bravery...but never touch the German ruling clique with their insane position on climate, migrants, and now Russia and energy.

In that context, I am a better German than you and that idiot, Alien. And God knows that as a Pole my reasons to love you are few...Yet I still wish you, Germans, the very best.

Try to reciprocate and treat the US and the USSR as liberators...The latter lost 27 million people to cure you of NAZI cancer.

well, it is kind of steorytipically German isn't it (if you searched old posts in this forum dealing with their beloved cooperation with Russia, like the Nord Stream projects you would see how enthusiastic they were - especially Bratwurst)


internally they did incredible damage, like what damage precisely?

...and so disgusting...


Good move.

Hit-and-run posters are the worst...