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Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious?


Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,439
13 Aug 2010 #151
Football last time isn’t our strongest point but in many other sports we are stronger than ever.

Women synchron swimming?
Golf?
...?

Anny way it is good that when you see Polish flag in Wroclaw you think about football, good boy you make progress.

Rofl
Germany owns Poland...we don't even have borders anymore...:)
We will leave you your flags if they mean so much to you! ;)
Zbojnik - | 22
13 Aug 2010 #152
Man...can you see them suffer!

They're jst making a living, going were the money is. they dnt live in filthy Germany btw.

funny how all these fat patriotic germans in the stands all cheer and go nuts for polish blood.......kind of reminds me when in WW2 Goebbels was traveling across the polish country side and noticed how all the Poles fit the ideal German characteristics more then the germans themselves ahaha
Lukasz 49 | 1,746
13 Aug 2010 #153
Women synchron swimming?Golf?...?

Last time Polish females are weaker than males.

And why don't they play for Poland then....did that mean they don't want to be losing all the time?

They take your Euro and everybody knows that it is Polish blood. When your Euro will end ...

'The Nazis took our gold, they should at least thank us': Greek deputy PM's extraordinary attack on Germany over debt crisis

dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1253416/Greece-accuses-Germany-wrecking-economy-Nazi-occupation-debt-ridden-nation-hit-strikes.html

It is good you are proud of them ;-)

BB the truth is that you buy europes symphaty.

Germany owns Poland...we don't even have borders anymore...:)

;-)
Poles Revive East German Town

themoscowtimes.com/business/article/poles-revive-east-germa n-town/361711.html
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,439
13 Aug 2010 #154
Curious...Poles steal our cars and their players prefer playing for us....hmmm....
Why is that so???

kind of reminds me when in WW2 Goebbels was traveling across the polish country side and noticed how all the Poles fit the ideal German characteristics more then the germans themselves ahaha

Don't tell me...you read that in yet another novel, didn't you! ;)

They take your Euro and everybody knows that it is Polish blood. When your Euro will end ...

What then?
Then it's still again the Deutsche Mark and still the Zloty....Poles loved the Mark too...they couldn't get enough of them.
Millions of Poles left backward, poor Poland for successfull Germany over the years...and for the Deutsche Mark :)

Nothing will change actually...

BB the truth is that you buy europes symphaty.

Who cares...if it helps to win the European Song contest...:):):)
Zbojnik - | 22
13 Aug 2010 #155
Don't tell me...you read that in yet another novel, didn't you! ;)

na its fact, I thought u would be familiar w/ ur proud history
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,439
13 Aug 2010 #156
Nope, I'm not an expert on Göbbels I'm afraid...are there any fictional novels I can read to learn the truth about him?
MediaWatch 10 | 945
13 Aug 2010 #157
They're jst making a living, going were the money is. they dnt live in filthy Germany btw.

Come on Z, that's not nice.

funny how all these fat patriotic germans in the stands all cheer and go nuts for polish blood.......kind of reminds me when in WW2 Goebbels was traveling across the polish country side and noticed how all the Poles fit the ideal German characteristics more then the germans themselves ahaha

Germans of 2010 cheer for Polish soccer players on the German team because they are not like Germans of WWII. So that's good not bad. Maybe we can build on those modern sentiments.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,439
13 Aug 2010 #158
Germans of 2010 cheer for Polish soccer players on the German team because they are not like Germans of WWII.

Nah...Germans cheer for everybody who scores for the Mannschaft!
We are totally unbiased in that regard....he scores - we love him!!! :)
Nazi or not

Maybe we can build on those modern sentiments.

We should just merge...that way the Poles get to cheer something too! Okay? :)
Lukasz 49 | 1,746
13 Aug 2010 #159
You misunderstood me, I meant that when you will run out of money then you are going to hear more such statements from different European countries. As for me richer Germany is better for Poland because all in all we are neighbors and trade partners but honestly saying Germany in Polish eyes isn't what it was few years ago.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,439
13 Aug 2010 #160
I meant that when you will run out of money

When Germany "runs out of money" all other european countries (inclusive Poland) will be much to busy with their own catastrophes having "run out of money" long before Germany.

So, don't get your knickers in a knot about that one! ;)

As for me richer Germany is better for Poland because all in all we are neighbors and trade partners

And vice versa too...a richer Poland which doesn't need so much support money anymore and can buy more of our products is preferable for us too..

but honestly saying Germany in Polish eyes isn’t what it was few years ago.

Yeah...our Mannschaft plays way more attractive by now! :)
MediaWatch 10 | 945
13 Aug 2010 #161
We should just merge...that way the Poles get to cheer something too! Okay? :)

Maybe they were already more merged then meets the eye? Especially with intermarriages on the border area. Especially with sentiments of great Polish soccer players to-be, feeling they can max their potential on a German team. Sadly I heard a story where one of these great Polish soccer players were ignored by the Polish soccer team. Poland's loss and Germany's gain. Germany deserves credit for bringing them on board.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,439
13 Aug 2010 #162
Maybe they were already more merged then meets the eye? Especially with intermarriages on the border area.

My talking! :)

Poland's loss and Germany's gain. Germany deserves credit for bringing them on board.

Na ja..it's a bit more than just bringing them "on board"...
They were toddlers when their families came to Germany...they got entirely schooled, trained and educated in the german system.
Who knows what would had become of them if they had stayed in Poland? I'm not sure if one can guarantee their talent would had been discovered and furthered that way if the environment would had been different....

Poland and Germany are very similiar actually...also with being football crazy...Poland once had a good team too...but something right now sucks in the system...
MediaWatch 10 | 945
13 Aug 2010 #163
That may be.

Off the top of my head I don't know the particulars of each of these Polish soccer players but I do know one or more of them had Polish parents that were athletes. That I'm sure helped too.

I believe the ingredients of a great athlete is half genetics and half environment. I'm sure the German soccer/sports environment helped a lot. No doubt.
Lukasz 49 | 1,746
13 Aug 2010 #164
So, don't get your knickers in a knot about that one! ;)

Personally I prefere to watch different games like volleyball or handball.

And vice versa too...a richer Poland which doesn't need so much support money anymore and can buy more of our products is preferable for us too..

I know what you are trying to suggest. In some way Poland without strong private sector had harder competition with developed companies which entered our market.

In many cases some Poles who emigrated long time ago participated in this economical colonization of Poland after the end of communism.

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romain_Zaleski

5th of the richest French citizens who opens banks in Poland his family left Poland just after the end of war. He became rich when we had communism and Poles had no opportunity to develope international Polish companies. If he had stayed in Poland he would be poor in 1989 and without capital.

Eastern Germany is in simmilar situation, even financial help after reunion couldn't give back the time when others build up the international companies. From the other hand it seems that on many fields Polish capital is being stronger and stronger and Germans buy more and more Polish products as we buy more and more european products.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,439
13 Aug 2010 #165
It seems that on many fields Polish capital is being stronger and stronger and Germans buy more and more Polish products as we buy more and more european products.

Oh boy...get your facts right!

auswaertiges-amt.de/diplo/en/Laenderinformationen/01-Laender/Polen.html

....
In terms of both the number of investors and the total amount invested, Germany ranks firstamong foreign direct investors in Poland, German direct investments currently amounting to at least EUR 1 billion, and totalling more than EUR 20 billion since Poland's change of political system in 1989/1990 (2007: EUR 3 billion; 2008: EUR 1.6 billion).

Major German investments in Poland focus on the automotive and mechanical engineering industries, the chemical and pharmaceutical industries, banking and insurance, the wholesale and retail trade as well as the energy sector. Also of increasing importance is business process outsourcing, e.g. in the IT sector.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Poland

Main export partners (of Poland)

Germany 26.1%,
France 6.9%,
Italy 6.9%,
United Kingdom 6.4%,
Czech Republic 5.8%,
Netherlands 4.2% (2009)

Main import partners (of Poland)
Germany 22.4%,
China 9.3%,
Russia 8.5%,
Italy 6.8%,
France 4.6%,
Netherlands 3.6% (2009)

Nothing comes close to your cuddly neighbour Germany! ;)
Around 1/3 of your economy is dependent on Germany...

The other way around though: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Germany

Main export partners (of Germany)

France 10.2%,
U.S. 6.7%,
Netherlands 6.7%,
U.K. 6.6%,
Italy 6.3%,
Austria 6%,
China 4.5%,
Switzerland 4.4%

Main import partners of Germany

Netherlands 8.5%,
China 8.2%,
France 8.2%,
U.S. 5.9%,
Italy 5.9%,
U.K. 4.9%,
Belgium 4.3%,
Austria 4.3%,
Switzerland 4.2%

It will take awhile for Poland to feature in these rankings I think....but I'm optimistic! :)
Harry
13 Aug 2010 #166
If memory serves, the ball was left in your court some time ago in our discussions on another thread (Should HMG compensate Poles etc) regarding Art. 5. when you said:

Article 5 states "Without prejudice to the foregoing undertakings of the Contracting Parties to give each other mutual support and assistance immediately on the outbreak of hostilities, they will exchange complete and speedy information concerning any development which might threaten their independence and, in particular, concerning any development which threatened to call the said undertakings into operation." Given that at Yalta Stalin committed to an independent Poland and to free elections taking place in that independent nation, in what way was there any development which might threaten Polish independence?

Your last part is correct - whilst Poland indulged in an act of stupidity and betrayal, such act does not serve to preclude Poland from arguing that some other nation betrayed it, particularly where such act of betrayal arose in circumstances and per agreements wholly unrelated to the Polish-Soviet War.

Yes, if Poland wants to look hypocritical, Poland can indeed whine about being betrayed by a country which it was in an alliance with. However, Poland would need to give details as to how Britain betrayed it and Poles are always understandably reluctant to do that.

Were you born in Sydney like me Harry?

Nope, other side.
Lukasz 49 | 1,746
13 Aug 2010 #167
Nothing wrong with your data. From the other hand Poland before the war wasn’t the most developed country in Europe but was richer than some countries which are today considered as “old EU” and our aim is to regain our position. It seems we are going to regain our position but it will be harder.

As to Germany, it is more than clear than the eastern lands of current Germany were much richer in the past in comparison to many European regions. I have heard that eastern German “state companies” were sold and somehow nobody build nothing enormously big there from the basics.

Polish business was able to build some nice quite big international companies.

We are going to see what will happen in the future but leadership hasn’t been given forever.

As our negihbour you should wish us luck, all in all it is better to have rich Polish neighbours.
convex 20 | 3,978
13 Aug 2010 #168
Germans buy more and more Polish products as we buy more and more european products.

Most definitely, that was the entire idea behind the EU. Polish capital is growing, and investments are being made all over the place, not just at home. Nice to watch.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,439
13 Aug 2010 #169
From the other hand Poland before the war wasn’t the most developed country in Europe but was richer than some countries which are today considered as “old EU” and our aim is to regain our position. It seems we are going to regain our position but it will be harder.

Yadda yadda yadda...
Germany was destroyed and partitioned also for 60 years...and West Germany had to integrate and modernize a whole country in the last 20 years....nobody was born with the golden spoon.

As our negihbour you should wish us luck, all in all it is better to have rich Polish neighbours.

Oh I do...Germany is working hard to make and keep Poland prosperous and stable.
All are profiting from that. It would be nice of you to recognize this now and then too...instead of always harking back to "the war" and enjoying germanophobe barbs.

We are going to see what will happen in the future but leadership hasn’t been given forever. I am sure that one day Poland will support some regions in Western Europe.

What is that supposed to mean?
convex 20 | 3,978
13 Aug 2010 #170
Oh I do...Germany is working hard to make and keep Poland prosperous and stable.
All are profiting from that. It would be nice of you to recognice this now and then too...instead of always harking back to "the war" and enjoying germanophobe barbs.

marshal plan part II
Lukasz 49 | 1,746
13 Aug 2010 #171
Yadda yadda yadda...Germany was destroyed and partitioned also for 60 years...and West Germany had to integrate and modernize a whole country in the last 20 years....nobody was born with the golden spoon.

I wi

Most definitely, that was the entire idea behind the EU. Polish capital is growing, and investments are being made all over the place, not just at home. Nice to watch.

cheers
Lukasz 49 | 1,746
13 Aug 2010 #173
Yadda yadda yadda...Germany was destroyed and partitioned also for 60 years...and West Germany had to integrate and modernize a whole country in the last 20 years....nobody was born with the golden spoon.

When we compare GDP per capita of Taiwan and China we will see what China lost during such long time of communism. As long as Chinese people are living on Taiwan but they had different economical system (anticommunist Chinese moved on this island).

The same goes to Poland which in some way is in Chinese situation.

As for you Taiwan is west Germany and China is like eastern Germany. (as for GDP per capita)

North Korea and South Korea are very interesting exaples as well.

Oh I do...Germany is working hard to make and keep Poland prosperous and stable. All are profiting from that. It would be nice of you to recognice this now and then too...instead of always harking back to "the war" and enjoying germanophobe barbs.

Germans make big profits in Poland. There was kind of agreement that we let German and other European companies enter Polish market and you support our development.

What is that supposed to mean?

It means what it means and we all should think about this sentence and take it seriously when it comes to situation outside the europe. and in some cases inside of europe.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,439
13 Aug 2010 #174
we all should think about this sentenc

Well...I do...can't find any sense...please explain! Stop being so mysterious! ;)
Lukasz 49 | 1,746
13 Aug 2010 #175
You wi???:)

It wasn't to you. :)

Well...I do...can't find any sense...please explain! Stop being so mysterious! ;)

I’ve been thinking a lot about influence of communism on countries economies. The best examples I can find in Asia. Chinese people live on Taiwan and in China. Systems they had in the past had enormous influence on their current GDP per capita.

As to leadership I just wanted to say that sometimes some people take it as given forever. I am not suggesting Asia at this moment but I find there many interesting examples of what Poland lost during communism and what it has to regain.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
13 Aug 2010 #176
BB eastern Germany even today is sh*t, people preferred to abandon it rather then rebuild so your point is moot.

Also Western Germany was breast fed in a way that makes EU support look like pocket money and i'm not talking about Marshall only.

Communism wrecked economies in a big way.
Nathan 18 | 1,363
13 Aug 2010 #177
You talk about Cossacks but you don’t mention that Cossacks live in eastern Ukraine

Poles don't live in Poland, they live in eastern Poland.

I could continue this but all in all in don’t want to take your dignity from you.

My dignity you can take only by blowing me.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,439
13 Aug 2010 #178
BB eastern Germany even today is sh*t, people preferred to abandon it rather then rebuild so your point is moot.

Crap! People are moving because the whole towns depending on one Kombinat as common during commie times have a hard time to rebuild and restructure themselves and to build a new diverse Mittelstand. That will take another generation or two.

Also the wages and others stuff is still not on par with the West because of the high costs
of the rebuilding, but that won't take as long.

PS: At least they are not moving to another country...;)

Eastern Germany was/is being rebuild from scratch as flattened West Germany was after the war...soon to be the most modern part of Germany.

But already today eastern Länder like Saxony are leading the country in high tech and green energy! And Wessis are coming for work here..."Silicon Saxony" ;)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Saxony

:)

It's the Wessis who now want the Soli tax be scratched or used for their own holey roads instead.

Well...there will always be Meck-Pomm but they can work it out with Tourism....
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
14 Aug 2010 #179
Eastern Germany was/is being rebuild from scratch as flattened West Germany was after the war...soon to be the most modern part of Germany.
But already today eastern Länder like Saxony are leading the country in high tech and green energy! And Wessis are coming for work here..."Silicon Saxony" ;)

Yes but Germany had the luxury of the larger part of its country being developed by the West, i know today Germans claim its their wonderfull job ethics but the fact is they had decades of heavy caliber western support, Poland did not and it was far far worse off then Eastern Germany.

Eastern Germany despite its poverty was the Soviet showpiece, Russia stripped other countries of what little wealth they had and either used it itself or sent it to its eastern german dependency, it left countries like Poland in shambles.

Also i read somewhere in this topic that commies are gone, its a long topic for a completely different thread, suffice to say Poland was never decommunised and commies are still strong here though no longer running the show.
tornado2007 11 | 2,274
14 Aug 2010 #180
I'm sure even if there is not, the Poles (who love to dress things up) will convince you they are the centre of the world and thanks to them, this beautiful world continues to spin!! lol


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