Polish mathematicians who solved the Enigma machine

Jon, who is the one that says they did not receive the credit, but let me illustrate
my side of the discussion. First, you are not the filter or a dispenser of the glory. The credit exists on its own merit; the Poles don't need you to ration perverted, twisted, manipulative Enigma truth. We don't need the crumbs, and we own the whole loaf of bread. Breaking the Enigma code was a significant factor in winning the war.

Our contribution was enormous deserving the "Amazon" of credit, not the rivulet crumbs you assigned to us. The truth from British sources is not the truth at all it is the effort to minimize our and maximize your (Johnny come lately) part. You point to a pile of crumbs and calling it full credit is pathetic at best

Read the thread.


They didn't though, did they. As mentioned earlier in the thread, two mathematicians calculated how the rotors were wired. That system was changed in 1939.


Did anyone?

If it wasn't for Poland, the Enigma would have never been cracked.
Everyone else gave up on it except Poland.
Poland finally cracked it so Poland therefore deserves the credit as many historians agree.
A memorial to Marian Rejewski, the mathematician who first broke Enigma and educated the British and French about Polish methods of cryptanalysis
Here joun, educate yourself on the subject.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine

Good that Bletchley Park didn't.

As you were told, the two Polish mathematicians figured out how the machine rotors were wired. Before the system was changed.


Yes, I posted about that several days ago.

Pity, however, that Chuchill judged it not necessary to share the work of Bletchley Park with his ally, Russia. Another example of the reprehensible behaviour of perfidious Albion.

Thankfully men of conscience, like John Cairncross, ensured that we received the information in a timely manner. Later, it was revealed that some information was on Stalin's desk sooner even that it had reached the War Office.

Considered how you were Hitler's pal at the beginning it's a wonder you got it at all....

No pity at all. A greater pity that the r*ssians were spying on the UK.

A very good thing that the Soviet leadership were so paranoid that they disregarded their own spy's reports.


A traitor.

r*ssia seems to specialise in spying on people.

They always get unmasked in the end.

No one is ignoring the work done at Bletchley. They should be proud of their work, but that comes after code-breaking by Polish mathematicians and Enigma delivery to the British intelligence. Jon, take all the credit you want but don't try to convince us that you were improving Enigma before we deliver it to you, knowing your arrogance, maybe before Enigma was invented

They were, since they cracked the codes. And they could never discuss it; many died before their role was known.


The two mathematicians figured out how the rotors were wired (on the three-rotor Luftwaffe system).The Germans were aware of the flaw and added another rotor in January 1939. This has been covered in this thread. Nobody figured it out for the kriegsmarine system until Turing (who invented computers).became involved.

Turing also figured out the more complicated and very different Japanese machines.

I wonder if you imagine that the messages came out in plain text? They still had to be decrypted even after the means of mechanical transmission was known. This was done by humans.


I don't take credit since I want involved, just as you weren't since neither of us was born then. Very few people who worked there are still alive and most had to take their secrets to the grave.

Americans did after they captured the German submarine, but that was after we broke the Enigma Code. Later improvements were significant but not nearly as important as original code braking.

Jon, you are not suggesting that the invention of a model T was possible without inventing the wheel?::))

'You' didn't. Though some mathematicians from Poland figured out how the rotors were wired. For this they are given much credit. Or have been since both the secretive PRL ended and the world-changing role of Bletchley Park, especially hut 8, became known.


They changed it substantially then replaced it with a different and far more complex system,the Lorenz machine. As you know.


Something which independently evolved in different periods on different continents. The Model T Ford was however as regressive as its unpleasant producer.

No Jon, The British, got the code and Enigma; they disrespectfully removed the original code breakers from the inner circles thinking they no longer needed them, in other words, dumped. That's when the Germans drop the "bomb" by changing Enigma. Brits tried their hardest but could not crack the improved Enigma and were forced to bring Polish mathematicians back. They broke the codes again. End of the story, the rest are just details

I fail to understand Joun's logic. How in the world do copy and past changes anything. Truth is the truth, even copy-pasted. Or you should have to ask Jon's permission before posting, make sure that sources other than British are permitted. You should be commended for the effort and the job well done.


So what, Jon, what is the problem? Truth is the truth; who cares if it is pasted?

With tremendous help from the USA, you Brits have done a hell of a job and deserve gratitude and credit. Bask in the glory, at the same time, give the credit where it belongs.

Poland deserves all the credit for breaking the codes since it was Polish brilliance that did it.
We will never know how many lives they saved.


There is none.
Joun wants to point out that we copy and paste (to save time) to try to diminish and shame us for doing it.
Paulina likes to point that out too for the same reason. Pffffft !
BFD !
It makes it tuff for them to argue with googled Wiki.
The more they point it out, the more I do it just to watch them rant and have a meltdown.

The two mathematicians?

They were in Vichy France.


Actually they did, as you know. And the Lorenz machine.


They moved to England in 1943 however they weren't "brougt back" as well you know. They worked for the Polish Army doing something else. That is covered early in this thread.

If you're going to try to troll, at least try to stick close to facts. Rather than just making things up.

Otherwise you just make a fool of yourself.

Yeah, but to be legitimate, it needed wheels; the rest of your post I dismiss as a work of slippery serpent:::)))

Not very legitimate given the degree of exploitation involved. In this case however there wad none: just cooperation between four countries with Bletchley very much in the lead.


Feel free. Nothing but accuracy there.


Like those too, do you...

Now I reverse your statement and apply it to you. Do you see how it fits like a glove? Reread our entire discussion, look hard in the mirror, and there are your answers.

Brillant Ptak but I am afraid that Slippery will deny that too.
Poland desrves all the credit as others gave up on it, PERIOD !
Without Polands perseverance it would have never been cracked.
Hats off to Poland for cracking the Enigma !

More from a slippery serpent. Class struggle and exploitation were not a part of the discussion. Don't forget, for the potential of being exploited, and any applicant would gladly give a left testicle for a chance of a job at Ford.

Rzewuski was after all a loyal communist who returned to the PRL despite excellent offers of work in Western Europe and elsewhere. Turing was no conservative either.


The tired and hungry maybe.


Happy Birthday!

I don't see myself thanking you for wishing me a happy birthday. Thank you much for the nice gesture, even coming from a Slippery Jon::))

@jon et all
have you guys read Enigma by Robert Harris?, cracking historical novel by a world class author.

It was a good book and a good film. It hardly mentioned Turing or cryptanalysis (to be fair to the author, much was still classified information at that time) and was more about spies who were spying on the project and other spies who were spying on them (plus love and sex between them) however the book is worth reading (it was at number one in the best sellers list) and the film is worth watching.

Someone posted a grumpy review, perhaps written online by someone, probably a yank, who thought the film should have been a documentary rather than a spy thriller.


Google Mieczysław Kosmówki

Well one can say Robert Harris is the spiritual descendent of John Le Carre and that is why I love him for it, plus it did describe the mathematics and concepts of the enigma rotors etc.

I like his books.

Harris too Not so much the Roman ones however the spy books are good and his recent one The Second Sleep is excellent.


Yes. More so in the book than the film for practical reasons. The film was beautifully done but didn't really go into the science.