Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression?

So you admit that they could not bring themselves to perform even one act of selfless bravery and show solidarity with Poland or risk their own life and limb to help even one Pole.

Amazing.

But then again, it really isn't.

Not amazing....just DEAD!

Had more Germans and Europeans cared before about their fate (not secretly applauded) I'm sure they would had found the energy to care more about Poland and the fate of other Europeans too.

Every single one of them? No survivors at all?

You're lying.

....After the November pogroms in 1938, up to 40,000 people fled, including more than 15,000 Polish Jews deported in October. In 1939, almost 80,000 Jews managed to flee Germany. With the start of the war on September 1, 1939, the chances of leaving the country decreased - while around 500,000 Jews lived in Germany in 1933, there were only around 210,000 in 1939 - but it is still possible: in 1940, 15,000 Jews can still leave the country , In 1941 there are only half as many....

bpb.de/politik/hintergrund-aktuell/235829/1941-ausreiseverbot-fuer-juden

Dead, fleeing, hiding, soon to be dead....take your pick!

You forgot to include the Jews who fled and volunteered to join the Brits and the Poles to fight those bad "Nazis".

I think Pol rather had a show of support for Poland '39 before the Reichstag in mind...

@Poloniusz
The amount of Hebrews in Europe at the time was so minuscule that it was fairly easy for the German government to track every single one of them basically. Not only that, few of them were organized or even remotely concerned or interested in Poland unless the country they were living in stated something about it. Their main concern was fitting in and created any attention about themselves, especially in 1934-1945 German controlled areas. Then it was the priority of building Israel.

Anyone being able to share any opinion about anything about Poland, it was the Hebrew diaspora in U.S.A and at the time it had been heavily invested in creating tensions with Poland for the sake of making Polish Hebrews leave Poland and build Israel. So a lot of efforts were made to portray every possible incident between Poles and Hebrews to be worse then it actually was to increase number of emigrees to Israel (which they wanted to settle and build)

A good example was the Polish police harshly handling an illegal gathering of Orthodox Hebrews in 1920's Poland. (It was wartime and public gatherings were strictly reduced, as to counter communist activities)

After that incident it was blown all over the world about Poland performing a "pogrom" on Hebrews. Soon after American public after being strongly in favor of supporting the creation of Poland withdrew their support towards Poland and isolated herself from Europe.

Poland was basically seen as a smaller version of a Russian Tsarist-state by everyone not being Polish after that.

@Novi, Jews were in a minority and hardly in a position to save much of anybody, least of all one other.

In 1939, there were 3 million Jews in Poland.

How many Jews were in the army on September 1?

I want the number. No stories, disclaimers, evasions, or other bs. And no adjectives, either.

@Novichok
Around 100.000 I think, long time I read about it tho. Don't think there was conscription in Poland at the time, but citizens were called in to service non the less. I haven't studied it too close to be 100% sure

How many minorities were in the army full stop, and why weren't they particularly keen on it?

Numbers never tell the full story by themselves, as any accountant should tell you.

Someone searched for the names of the killed...I dunno if its complete though...

....Alphabetical lists of Jewish war dead from the Polish Armed Forces and Armed Forces in Exile. List 1 contains 1105 names of Jewish military casualties of the September 1939 campaign. List 2 contains 523 names of Jewish military casualties of the Polish Armed Forces in exile. (List 2 is divided chronologically and geographically into four sections:....

ushmm.org/online/hsv/source_view.php?SourceId=31204

There exist also a very interesting comic called "Maus"...the son of a polish/jewish Holocaust survivor wrote about the memoirs of his father who actually served in the polish forces in 1939...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maus

Let me bottom line my view on this subject.

Any Jew who lived or lives in Poland and ever said "Poles and Jews" is off my list of concerns.

The service of the Jewish Poles is without question, they contributed to the fight against Germany their officers also perished at the hands of the Soviets in Katyn

Correct.

Virtually every Polish fighting unit in WW2 had numerous Jews in its ranks (be it on the eastern or western front). Below, some of the graves of Polish soldiers of Mosaic confession in Polish military cemetery in Monte Cassino:

Those are stories. Still no number.


That was a nice gesture... I mean the reverse order.

It was not a gesture it was to respect those Polish Jews who fought and who died serving alongside my father at Monte Cassino.

You might as well ask "how many Lutherans served in the Polish Army?" or Pentecostals, Orthodox or Buddhists. I don't think any country in WW2 kept detailed statistics about the religion of their soldiers.

Was that "Jewish Poles" a slipup? Nobody uses this sequence. It's always "Polish Jews". A gigantic difference...

....and those who did weren't the best place to serve!

Exactly.

They did in a remote country like Italy to mark their graves. So they knew. If not "they", the Jewish organizations knew all the relevant numbers to advance their agendas.

Jewish participation in the army should be right there near the top to show how Polish the "Polish Jews" were.

Of course, friends knew one another's religion, so they knew what sort of tombstone to use, but nobody seriously counted the soldiers of different religions.


I doubt it.

The British Army did, 30,000 jews served.

More info below.

yadvashem.org/holocaust/about/combat-resistance/jewish-soldiers.html#:~:text=Approximately%201.5%20million%20Jews%2C%20including,the%20Nazis%20and%20their%20allies.&text=Some%2030%2C000%20Jews%20from%20Eretz,army%20during%20World%20War%20II.

Interesting. I wonder for what purpose.

@dolnoslask

The article you linked says...


...but I am still not quite sure where they would get such information from.

How about to promote unit cohesion? Try to imagine a platoon of Catholics, Jews, Muslims, and Buddhists. Real fun, right?

If your body was found in a mass grave your dog tags would show your service number, from which your religion could be found so that you would be buried with dignity and in the way your religion prescribes, hence the Jewish tombstones at Cassino.

For obvious reasons your tags would not show your religion.

I don't know about Muslims or Buddhists, but Polish army units were a mix of Catholic, Jewish and Orthodox soldiers, and it didn't seem to damage their morale/cohesion at all.

There were probably Polish Tatars (Muslim) in some of them too - again, no problems with cohesion.

Neither should the way we look that includes hair, beard, dress, and all. That was more than stupid always and especially during the occupation.
Religion is internal and God has a good x-ray vision.

Providing chaplaincy services within the armed forces as well as potential burials, grave markers and memorial services.

Happened before, happens today. The Polish Armed forces have Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim and Orthodox chaplsincies.