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Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression?


OP Lyzko 29 | 7,245
16 Feb 2021 #301
Why such hostility against Jews, Novi?
Miloslaw 9 | 2,825
16 Feb 2021 #302
I can't understand his hatred .....he makes me ashamed to be Polish...
Strzelec35 20 | 1,123
16 Feb 2021 #303
you misread what he wrote. Is English you guys' second language? He was talking about Germans not Jews.
Novichok 1 | 2,010
16 Feb 2021 #304
Why such hostility against Jews, Novi?

Correction: My personal regret is that the Americans and the Soviets killed so few Germans in the process.
I never meant Jews. I apologize for causing this unintended misunderstanding.

He was talking about Germans not Jews.

Thanks, Strzelec.

BTW, my best friend and my first love were both Jewish.
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,245
16 Feb 2021 #305
Error duly acknowleged and apology on my end hopefully accepted. In future though, kindly refer in said context to "Germans" as "Nazis", since obviously not all Germans were Nazis, or even Nazi leaning. Also, Germany's considered themselves kaisertreu and German to the core!
jon357 67 | 16,836
16 Feb 2021 #306
Why such hostility against Jews, Novi?

Less about reality, more about trying to trash a thread.
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,245
16 Feb 2021 #307
Germany's Jews felt themselves German.
Novichok 1 | 2,010
17 Feb 2021 #308
kindly refer in said context to "Germans" as "Nazis

I will never do that. Nazis were a political party and only part of Germany. The responsibility for the war rests with the entire country - every soldier, bomb factory worker, and every engineer who designed gas chambers and other killing machines. I will never forget the pictures of smiling and cheering throngs celebrating Hitler's conquests. Using "Nazis" in lieu of "Germany" is just another modern-day attempt at a whitewash.

I can almost hear it: It wasn't us, it was those bad Nazis. No, it was you. All of you.

more about trying to trash a thread.

No. This tread is accusatory. I have a moral right to represent the accused.
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,245
17 Feb 2021 #309
Not ALL Germans were Nazis any more than ALL Poles are were anti-Semites or ALL US Southern Anglos are born-again Klanies and similar generalizations!
Novichok 1 | 2,010
17 Feb 2021 #310
Not ALL Germans were Nazis

OK, genius...

Who attacked Poland? Who attacked the USSR? Who annexed Austria? Who did the Brits declare war on? Who declared war on the US? Who signed unconditional surrender?

Germany or Nazis?
cezarek - | 13
17 Feb 2021 #311
Not ALL Germans were Nazis any more than ALL Poles are were anti-Semites

Yes. Generalisation doesn't help
Novichok 1 | 2,010
17 Feb 2021 #312
Nobody gave a rat's ass about specifics when they were firebombing the hell out of Dresden. They killed as many Germans as they could without distinction as to party affiliation, age, sex, and other attributes or worldviews.

The crews and the bombs they dropped GENERALIZED. The US did the same in Hiroshima and Nagasaki - generalized: if it's a Jap, it's gonna die.
jon357 67 | 16,836
17 Feb 2021 #313
The crews and the bombs t

Very off topic.

Nothing to do with state censorship or the current lawsuits at all.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,432
17 Feb 2021 #314
Who annexed Austria?

Erm....Hitler was an Austrian....many of the worst Nazis had been Austrians...and Beethoven was a German, not an Austrian....its abit complicated with the Schluchtenschei├čer and us...
dolnoslask 6 | 3,085
17 Feb 2021 #315
many of the worst Nazis had been Austrians

So it was the Austrians fault now.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,432
17 Feb 2021 #316
Definitely...

It all started with WWI...a war Germany only got into to defend the treaty with Austria....the rise of the austrian Hitler and WWII was a direct consequence.

Now see what that got us!

Oh and about the "annexation":


Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,432
17 Feb 2021 #317


A cheering crowd greets Adolf Hitler as he enters Vienna. Austria, March 1938.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/austria

I think the austrian/german word "Anschluss" hits it better than the somewhat dubious sounding english "annexation"....
dolnoslask 6 | 3,085
17 Feb 2021 #318
Definitely...

To be honest this is all news to me interesting, its something I need to look into thanks.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,432
17 Feb 2021 #319
Understandable...the Austrians had just alot better PR after WWII...they made themselves the first "victim", Hitler a German and Beethoven an Austrian...its an old joke here! :)
GefreiterKania 3 | 42
17 Feb 2021 #320
@A cheering crowd greets Adolf Hitler as he enters Vienna.

Look at all the hysteric girls storming the police cordon - one might think it was The Beatles coming to the city. *rolls eyes*
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,432
17 Feb 2021 #321
I think it was more a kind of a bender....the same as in Germany...the Sudetenland...the Saarland before....like drunks.

...and what a hangover followed.

A warning against politicians with promises if there ever was one!
Poloniusz 4 | 391
17 Feb 2021 #322
Germany's Jews felt themselves German.

Very true.

Again, you are yet to provide any accounts of Jews publicly demonstrating against Nazi Germany's invasion of Poland or any account of them risking their own life and limb to save a Polish life.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,432
17 Feb 2021 #323
Again, you are yet to provide any accounts of Jews publicly demonstrating against Nazi Germany's invasion

....in 1939??? Seriously?

Where should the few survivors had done that? In the camps?

Many german Jews where deported to Poland in the years before. They then where gathered in the Ghettoes, you know the rest....

The US TV series "Holocaust" centers around such a family from Berlin with polish/jewish roots....worth watching!
Ziemowit 13 | 4,236
17 Feb 2021 #324
So it was the Austrians fault now.

Definitely...

Don't be silly. Tiny Austria wouldn't have been able to start a war on this scale.

There began to emerge a signifacant Nazi movement in the US at the time. Luckily, it was nipped in the bud. Britain's and France's policy of appeasement had its share as well. There were quite a few Nazi sympathizers in the British rotal family too..

Undoubtedly the German nation had been bemused by several Nazi tricks which found a perfect background in the harsh living conditions caused by the contributions imposed on Germany by the winning nations. And not the least, let's not forget the US with its age of speculation in the 1920s which had led to the crisis of the 1930s.

So stop being silly, everyone, by blaming poor Austria for all this.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,432
17 Feb 2021 #325
Don't be silly. Tiny Austria wouldn't have been able to start a war on this scale.

On July 28, 1914, one month to the day after Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria and his wife were killed by a Serbian nationalist in Sarajevo, Austria-Hungary declares war on Serbia, effectively beginning the First World War.

history.com/this-day-in-history/austria-hungary-declares-war-on-serbia

So stop being silly, everyone, by blaming poor Austria for all this.

I blame the Austrians for every of my warts...them and the Frenchies!
Poloniusz 4 | 391
17 Feb 2021 #326
....in 1939??? Seriously?

Thomas Jefferson wrote centuries before that 'whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.'

Where should the few survivors had done that? In the camps?

Polish resistance fighter Witold Pilecki voluntarily went to Auschwitz to start a resistance and to warn the world about your Nazi Germany's crimes against humanity. He was later arrested and executed by the communists after the war.

Polish resistance fighter Jan Karski also exhibited selfless bravery and sacrifice and made several dangerous courier trips (including being arrested and tortured by your Gestapo) in order to warn the West of your Nazi Germany's crimes against humanity.

So, talk to me again about Jewish privilege in refusing to help Poles.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,236
17 Feb 2021 #327
On July 28, 1914, one month to the day after Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria

So you've now introduced the WW I for blaming Serbia for its outbreak?

First, Austria to be blamed for WW II and then Serbia to be blamed for WW I.

It seems that Germany had been towed away to the North Pole in the years 1914-1945 in order to safely wait the turbulent times out.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,432
17 Feb 2021 #328
So, talk to me again about Jewish privilege in refusing to help Poles.

What privilege!

There had been just not many Jews left to stage a pro-Poland demonstration back in Berlin 1939....there hadn't been any pro-jewish demonstration in Warsaw either during the years before I guess?

First, Austria to be blamed for WW II and then Serbia to be blamed for WW I.

Definitely! As WWII was a continuation of WWI....Hitler got thirsty for revenge during the Treaty of Versailles!

Nothing of that would had happened without Austria declaring war..
Novichok 1 | 2,010
17 Feb 2021 #329
Definitely! As WWII was a continuation of WWI..

Now that you are here, maybe you will be more successful in explaining how the Soviet feathers and diplomacy worked for them in Stalingrad, Kursk, and Berlin. The OP seems to have problems understanding how hugely effective those were.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,432
17 Feb 2021 #330
maybe you will be more successful in explaining

....I have to admit I didn't read everything...My trigger word was actually "annexion" in the same sentence with "Austria"...that got me out of my daily slumber like a cat smelling catnip! :)

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