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Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression?


Miloslaw 9 | 2,825
15 Feb 2021 #271
.?? The few anti semites......
Novichok 1 | 2,005
15 Feb 2021 #272
I want to at first establish that this was a fact amongst many Poles of my father's generation.
Once we establish that FACT....

Now, I am hurt. You really think I am that stupid and will fall for this trick?

First the background. Therefores later. You may also add a list of countries where, based on your definition, antisemitism was FACT. All of them. Then you can include Poland if you wish, start looking for the common denominator and the reasons why some were mean to the Jews.

For the record: I am 100% for Israel and can binge watch everything about Israel and Mossad, with Fauda leading the parade.
Miloslaw 9 | 2,825
15 Feb 2021 #273
Now, I am hurt. You really think I am that stupid and will fall for this trick

Playing the straw man won't work with me.
Accept the FACT and then we can move on.
Otherwise this conversation is over.
Novichok 1 | 2,005
15 Feb 2021 #274
Accept the FACT and then we can move on.

Don't ever be anybody's lawyer. Like I said, you think I am stupid, confess, and later try to get out of the bag. Are you nuts?

FYI, accusations and evidence first. At least here - in "America".
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,245
15 Feb 2021 #275
You're mistaken! The ever-popular Roman Dmowski wasn't exactly a friend of the Jews. Read "Kwestia zydowska"!
Miloslaw 9 | 2,825
15 Feb 2021 #276
you think I am stupid

Not at all.
That is why you disappoint me so much.
I think you are misguided.
Novichok 1 | 2,005
16 Feb 2021 #277
That is why you disappoint me so much.

Your deflection away from my core points is duly noted.
Ironside 50 | 10,910
16 Feb 2021 #278
The controversy

There is not controversy. Those are 100% lies, and that dude is a 100% proven liar. He even falsified sources.

They're very readable and sold well

Sure, no problem with that. Let them sell it all to those who are waiting for that kind of BS to confirm their hate and their prejudice. Author/s can even write - based on a true story - to increase sells for what I care..

I only object to the brazen deception they employ.
They pretend there is some legit academical research involved and that those books are history books. Whilst in fact those novels belong in the category of historical fiction.

I think they really try too hard.
The Jews in America are such a brainwashed haters that they wouldn't even notice the difference. Some Jewish newspaper (lol) showed a picture of a shallow hole, freshly dug in some bushes as a prove that in Poland people are devastating Jewish graves.

I mean that newspaper could have an agenda but even a one brain cell was enough to see that the picture is just a brazen sham.

Not the readers thought.
jon357 67 | 16,836
16 Feb 2021 #279
and that dude is a 100% proven liar

Who? The female eyewitness?

Let them sell it

Good you approve of academic freedom and disapprove of using the courts to censor historians.

The Jews

It didn't take you long.
Ironside 50 | 10,910
16 Feb 2021 #280
Who?

author who do you think I was talking about? Nobody (except those Jews or whoever in America) take that scum seriously and he is not even a historian and his novels are fiction. If you have been fooled think again if you are just being obtuse. FO!

academic freedom

There is nothing academic about those scammers.

It didn't take you long.

Oh boo ho?! Do you think I care about your censorship and insinuations? It is I who should say - aha didn't take you long. Freedom of debate and academic freedom and in the same post - censorship.

Those you agree with - should be praised and allowed to say everything even if those are just racist, hatful lies.
Those who disagree should censor their words or they gonna be shunned and called names, even if they have done nothing wrong..
Generalization about Poles and Poland is Ok , Generalization about Jews is not.
lol!
jon357 67 | 16,836
16 Feb 2021 #281
Jews

scum

There you go again.

It's as if you think truth should be hidden.
jon357 67 | 16,836
16 Feb 2021 #282
censorship

Censorship is an important issue.

Those who disagree should censor their words

That sounds very much like you favour intimidating people with views different from your own.

Generalization about Poles and Poland is Ok

The whole point about academic study is to avoid generalisation.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
16 Feb 2021 #283
Those who disagree should censor their words or they gonna be shunned and called names, even if they have done nothing wrong..

Uh, Ironside, that's exactly what the PRL did to people.
Ironside 50 | 10,910
16 Feb 2021 #284
Uh,

Enjoying yourself shorty? I kind of understand you but it doesn't make it right.

The whole point

So what is your commission and how much they paid you for the translation of those lies that is novels ?
jon357 67 | 16,836
16 Feb 2021 #285
that's exactly what the PRL did to people.

One reason that PiS is called PRL-bis.

The problem is that if they try to obfuscate or flat out deny the bad things, people cease to believe in the good things.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
16 Feb 2021 #286
That's entirely their point. They're trying to create a whole new version of Polish history that they are the guardians of, as they have created and dominated that particular narrative. It's the same thing as the PZPR did in the 1950's, even down to the propaganda of the Piasts.

If Ironside was around in the PRL, why on earth would he support any kind of censorship?
Poloniusz 4 | 391
16 Feb 2021 #287
The ever-popular Roman Dmowski wasn't exactly a friend of the Jews.

Name the Poles which the Jews have admired throughout their history. Not just some cursory acknowledgement but Poles whom Jews have revered and used as an example for their own children to follow.

Surely after centuries of being allowed as guests in Poland there would be at least one.
jon357 67 | 16,836
16 Feb 2021 #288
a whole new version of Polish history that they are the guardians of

Basically, a Potemkin village.

The more 'official', the less credible. It's an insult to the people who lived at that time.

around in the PRL, why on earth would he support any kind of censorship?

A Nomenklatura mindset.
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,245
16 Feb 2021 #289
Jews admire Mickiewicz if they teach literature, Szopen aka Chopin if they love music, and Wójtyla et al.if they love life:-)
Novichok 1 | 2,005
16 Feb 2021 #290
Name the Poles which the Jews have admired throughout their history.

Better yet, name the Jews who risked and lost their lives helping Poles during the occupation.
Another one...Name the Jews who donated to the charities helping poor Poles.
Another one...Name one swindler of the Madoff class who was not Jewish.
Another one...Name one Jew who said: Poland, my motherland, the country I am proud of...
Another one...Name one Jew who can and did sing the Polish anthem.
Another one...Name one Jew who had or has a Polish flag and sees it as his own.

I have more on request.
Poloniusz 4 | 391
16 Feb 2021 #291
if they...if they...if they

That's way too conveniently conditional and left to individuals to decide meaning that none of them will.

I'm talking about collective action within the Jewish community which makes mandatory teaching of Polish role models to Jewish children in classrooms, in the homes, and in the public square.

Better yet, name the Jews who risked and lost their lives helping Poles during the occupation.

I asked something similar a day ago in post #240. Unsurprisingly the OP and his cohorts fell silent.
Novichok 1 | 2,005
16 Feb 2021 #292
Unsurprisingly the OP and his cohorts fell silent.

Because most of the posters here are slimy slithering cowards turning deaf or stupid when the time is right.

structured in terms of what Poland and Poles needed to do for Jews and not the other way around?

A question good enough to be repeated...

Let's see if my Post 290 will get the same treatment.
jon357 67 | 16,836
16 Feb 2021 #293
Jews admire Mickiewicz if they teach literature, Szopen aka Chopin if they love music, and Wójtyla et al.if they love life:-)

Of course, however when there's oddballs with an axe to grind, loving life doesn't come into it.

Some of the finest interpreters of Chopin are/were Jewish. The great Polish pianist Artur Rubinstein among them.

And when 'nationalists' try to distort the past in order to create a particular mythos, they only ever end up hurting their own cause.
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,245
16 Feb 2021 #294
Don't be so sure.
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,245
16 Feb 2021 #295
A tough stand might sound ok, but sometimes a feather is what's needed, not a sledgehammer.
Novichok 1 | 2,005
16 Feb 2021 #296
Yes, I agree. It worked so well during WW2. Especially in Stalingrad. Those Soviet feathers and one million dead did wonders. Later, in 1945, it was again the Soviet feathers that liberated Auschwitz.

BTW, please don't tell this to the Israelis. They might laugh so hard and pee or worse.
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,245
16 Feb 2021 #297
Shooting from the hip too often is also a result of failed diplomacy.
Novichok 1 | 2,005
16 Feb 2021 #298
Do you have more meaningless oneliners like that, Confucius?
How about responding to Poloniusz?

Shooting from the hip too often is also a result of failed diplomacy.

How did that diplomacy work in the Warsaw Ghetto? I heard not very well...
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,245
16 Feb 2021 #299
Armed resistance is often unavoidable.
Novichok 1 | 2,005
16 Feb 2021 #300
BS. You first kill as many as you can and then demand unconditional surrender.
That's how the US and the Soviets finished Germany and their plans to erase Jews from the earth. You can take your feathers and diplomacy and shove it.

My personal regret is that they killed so few.

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