Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them?

What a cheap excuse.

I thought you would be able to contribute sth valuable at last, not your typical trolling.

If not, I am not going to beg you. Get lost, loser. Continue your trolling in other threads.

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I think myths are needed.

Sheet, I didn`t think about it.

Thanks.

Sorry for being harsh on you in my previous post. :):):) I thought you refused to contribute for personal reasons.

However, myths can be harmful too. They can blur the vision and distort the history.

And do you know that historia magistra vitae?

History is the teacher of life!

Do you want history to teach false things according to myths?

Myths do not equal lies.
Myths are an result of focusing on positive and good facts from a collective history.
They are to provide a model for people to follow or at least to cherish.
Grown ups and educated people do realize that it all wasn't that rosy and nit. Books about that should be available for anybody willing to buy them. It doesn't mean that all failing should be a part of history curriculum

If adults are taken by surprise its their own bloody fault.
Because of their history Poles are more defensive about their past, it is understandable as for years and years the only thing they could do to defend themselves and their identity, was creating myths.

While others can always say - well, whatever, who cares? - even though those luckier nation are generally relay on myths themselves, at least general public does.

I must add that recently what can be observed in Poland (Gross and others) is not about myth busting is about creating new myths to manipulate general public in Poland into a guilt syndrome.

To hell with them and their apostles!

All history is subject to interpretation, your very topic shows that you're nothing short of a troglodite despite your claims of being an astute historian. There is no such thing as an objective presentation of historical facts, ever.

The only thing which we can discuss is considering outright lies, also what myths? Polish history contains no myths as far as i know.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_of_Europe

How is that a myth? Polish suffering is very analogous to that of Jesus Christ, both undeserving and after saving others.

Well said that man! Or as King Arthur once said to Robin Hood, " That old King was a silly old Cnut for trying to turn back the sea,what was his name again?"

how we define "luckier" nations?
I mean brits don't even have their own language (you can speak with british accent, but I never heard of british language), they are using language that is strange amalgam of other languages, so pronunciation differs from word to word, one of their colonys became strongest country in the world, and even name of their country is a joke. there is nothin GREAT it should be calls small or island Britain. they don't even know if they are German,French, vikings or celts and yet they are not moaning all the time. they are proudi rich nation that can even talk about human rights with straight face despite what they done in Ireland.

and half of them don't know how to spell syringe. ;-)

your writing style is impressive, though.

doesn't ?
It's a work in progress, I appreciate all help

Those less ravaged by wars.

That's one part of the definition, Sok, and a very good one at that. Nice post!

Because they're rich.


You got money, you got heritage, you got elites, you got a working society = you're lucky. Countries like Poland which got nuked by war repeatedly need generations to catch up and thats pretty unlucky i'd say.

@Retro.

Your post is gibberish.

I don't quite follow the elite part, Sok! What does that have to do with it? Maybe I need to see your definition of what constitutes an elite member.

Writers, professors, politicians, teachers, families with generations of tradition and roots, they're the ones who drive any country, they're the ones Germans and Russians took away from us hoping to take away our prosperity.

Aha, ok. Then I can only agree with you.

sokrates:
gibberish? aren't you treating it too seriously??

but they had their share of troubles and they were lucky they are island.

I generally try treating people i talk to seriously, unless they're PWEI then i just try to insult them as much as i possibly can :)))))

Maria Konopnicka, a famous female writer, the one who wrote the text to the popular patriotic song Rota, was involved in a love affair with another woman for 20 years. This story is well documented. However, today some far rightists claim it is a spoof and leftist propaganda. Funny.

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kiosk/maria-konopnicka-lesbijka-i-zla-matka/sdx0y

More than an affair; they were long term partners.

There's a picture of her in this thread: https://polishforums.com/life/poland-paintings-artists-69636/#msg1777873 by her partner, Maria Dulębianka.


Funny indeed and entirely consistent with their general arseholery.

Typical. pulling dead bodies from their graves and meddle the bones just to add some more LGBT to some idiotic list nobody cares about.
Hey, don't forget about LGBT criminals and pedo rings.

Why wasn't I told that way back in school?

In what sense? Perhaps you'd prefer the past to be whitewashed to suit your petty, small-minded and reactionary preferences.


Why? Are you trying to suggest that Maria Konopnicka and Maria Dulębianka were 'criminals' or 'paedos'?

Because in old times it was impossible for such an acknowledged writer and creator of a famous patriotic song to be gay. Polish heroes and heroines used to be straight in Catholic Poland.

Fortunately, it is changing now and we can discuss such matters freely. Fantastic!

Really? You think Polish academics are a 'sham'? Does that include Marie Curie too?


Does anyone hide anything? Or is that just your unwholesome attempt at weak rhetoric.

Next you'll be trying to pretend that Chopin was heterosexual...

Not exclusively Polish there are 'sham' academics everywhere.


The way this narrative unfolds - yes they do. The omission is hiding in this case.

So you say, however Chopin scholars are not generally among them.


So you try to say, however proof is conspicuously lacking.

The proof is there for anyone to see. Those who have eyes should look. If you look and do not see it means you are blind. In your case, it is a choice.


I see that after all those years of the internet forum brotherhood you still do not know me.
Do you think I'm bothered by a fact that such and such was a pervert? Surprise! Not in the slightest.
What I'm peeved about is the futility of it all. All that backpedaling, reading history anew, and labeling people as LGBT with only scant rumors as proof or at best circumstantial evidence. Doing it long after they died. Only to those famous and cherished.

With a political demand, money, and what have you to back it up. There is plenty of those who would make up, tweak and change their research to fit the narrative.

After all, it is nothing new, Kopernik was a woman.

Do give an example.


Save your energy and emotion. Scholars will research and publish in their fields whether you're 'peeved' or not.