Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them?

He was talking about the known history. You may want to double check with your online urban slang dictionary and with your grand kids but in both cases you’ll find out that the words overlap so yea… not the 'entire world' but the 'known history'.

As for the alleged brain-straining... well what can I say… if ever your brain was to be put in a strainer, it would have fallen right through.

I am not any kind of some nationalist , not at all , just trying to say , that if your country was once a superpower doesn`t mean that Poland was such a country in the past , and was the most powerfull in Europe ( during exacly those times when hussars rulled over Europe ). Thanks to our country you don`t speak now turkish and don`t wear turbans with kebab in your mouth .

Monia as a solicitor its obvious you are paid by the hour, my god you can string out anything ad nauseum:)

What are you gibbering about Flagless ?

Stop memorizing urban slang phrases , because you will burn out all the remaining , brain cells which function only just to tell you where and when to pee .

exactly this: no need to thank me

WTF?Don't pay that much attention to the word hussar, it is not synonymous with husarz, not for Poles anyway, you layman :)
the pictures shows in order:
the national cavalry
Chevau-léger
Uhlans
they were reformed from the winged hussars regiments into cavalry-lancers.
Today their tradition are continued by:



sorry, by them: Poland war badge

Instead of exploring the secrets of urban slang dictionary,, you sometimes should reach for the Webster`s dictionary and look for the meaning of words, which are rather popular, which you should know without searching the dictionary.

Straining your brain means : to weaken , to impair ( wysilać , nadwyrężać ). You know some Polish , so you will understand .

pl.bab.la/slownik/angielski-polski/strain

Iron, stop bashing Monia. You are not better. You also contradict yourself a lot.

isthatu2


Iron

Contradict ? how ?

No really??? Wow, words can have multiple meanings, who would've thought..? ...Would you?

'1612' is hardly historic in showing what husaria was and how it was used

I noticed in '1612' that the feathers on the hussars' wings were few and widely spaced, perhaps this design would have effectively minimalized the wind resistance reportedly experienced by the actors during the filming of Sienkiewicz's Trilogy. If the wings did have a real military purpose, beyond intimidation of the enemy, it must have been to prevent Tartar lassoes from encircling the Hussar, and to anchor him to the saddle if one did, and alot of feathers wouldn't have been necessary for this.

kismeta.com/diGrasse/HowHussarFought.htm

this is a very interesting read about husaria

Yes, but there is nothing about wings.
Actually, there is, but wings in the sense of sides of the formation.

even more read about husaria tactics
kismeta.com/diGrasse/HowImpact.htm

The word wing appears many times but only as a part of drawing, following, slowing. Do you think you can do sth about it? :):):)

Did I say it was a historical reconstruction of any battle ? Maybe you could find something more valuable and post here as an example .


So , what is the point of such comment ? Saying something at random without any meaningful context ?

I see, that there is no point of any discussion over Polish matters . Every subject is distorted ,but when there s something outstanding to talk about, which is worth to mention, it is immediately denied with such a fierce arogance and stubborness that I see no reason for such discussion other than this about drunk Poles pissing in some gateways.

Des


The article suggests that this myth comes from later historians suggesting reasons for wings which are not mentioned in contemporaneous records (16th Cent.).

It seems to be a self fulfilling mythic tradition within the Hussars starting with painted feathers on shields developing later some plumage and so on.

Its very convincing and well referenced.

It is such a skeptic in you, you should probably stop using words : no , but, and instead of them :yes, so you're right, I was wrong ...... but it is so difficult to admit an error is it ?

who first came up with this, do you know?

When a lady asks, I will condescend as a gentlemanly Pole.

Yes, Monia.
You are right, Monia.
I was wrong.

Better? :):):):)

May I kiss your hand?:

In that part you were very funny , I smiled and giggled ... :):):)

This quotation is taken from an article, presumably translated from Polish to English by an online translator, posted by Monia in this thread's 111th post. I have a couple questions regarding it. Is jeźców Polish for "lassoe"? Is it really true that the lower ranking Hussars would wear the skins of tigers and leopards while the upper ranks would wear those of wolves, bears and lynx? This sartorial hierarchy seems counter-intuitive for several reasons. From an aesthetic point of view leopard and tiger furs would seem to be superior, to those of the bear, the lynx and the wolf, because they are more brightly colored, and also more visually impressive because their patterns are more distinct. Moreover neither of the big cats is to be found near Poland, which would presumably make their skins scarce and thus far more costly than that of the indigenous species' furs reserved for the officers. One possible explanation is that all of the officers would feel it was necessary to sport furs and thus they chose to wear those in abundance so that they could all be assured of getting one, whilst fur was more of an optional addition for the lower ranks that was indulged in by only its richest members. Is my proposed explanation the right one, or were the predatory powers of the bear, the wolf, and the lynx actually held in higher esteem by Poles than those of the big cats, because Poles had no direct experience of living tigers and leopards, but knew them only from their skins?

Not that uncommon, certainly not scarce, thanks to the trade with The Ottomans

Certainly more expensive than local furs.


Des, care to quote the original text? This translation is rubbish.

P.S. Who's the fckin moron that removed the facility of automatically starting a quote with the quoted person's nick? Admin, you allow retards to meddle with the forums?

And it caused diplomatic blunders. E.g., at the banquet after the Vienna victory simple hussar soldiers, as more impressive, were led to major tables while their plain-looking officers were told to sit at the back. But Polish diplomats corrected the mistake.

Geez, now I remember...

And where's the fckin line feed after the quote...

it's not the best thing (from military point of view) but the fantastic look of the film

youtube.com/watch?v=w7bXsUyGWhw&feature=related

note that in 4:54 the guy playing a reiter gets kicked by the horse under Kmicic/Olbrychski

Too much pain taking the photo of the source, planting it in photobucket and publishing it here.

Don`t you believe me?

In Adam Zamoyski's book The Polish Way he writes about, and also provides illustrations of, another peculiar Polish practice supposedly indulged in during Poland's golden age, which I now fear may be a myth, and this is the Polish practice of dying their horses unnatural colors. The illustrations showed white horses whose bottom halves had been dyed crimson, like the Polish flag, as well as horses that had been dyed completely purple. I had initially accepted Zamoyski's claim regarding the truth of this practice and chalked it up to the presence of the aesthete's tendencies in the Polish national character, whose avian representative should really be a peacock rather than an eagle or a stork. Does anyone out there know whether or not this horse dying was truly done?