Mongolian the Golden Horde - do Poles have Mongolian ancestry?

I believe the siege of Krakow was in 1240 and Legnica 1241.

ok - I got it from the top of my head ;) you are perhaps right I haven't checked it before writing - just remembered 124 thing ;)

I am trying to find out the same thing. My son's 1/2 sister tested her genetics and it confirms that she has Asian genes and both her parents are Polish.

Hi all

I wrote in the section "Are there any tartars in here / poland"

That I had a Y DNA result placing me in the Q Halogroup of the Y from my late Polish father.

The only way that got into me according to the latest thinking is through the Tartar invasions of southern Poland and the ransacking of Krakow and the surrounding area.

My late father and his family come from about 25 miles or so south west of Krakow

So a Polish female ancestor some how meet a Tartar male during the 13th century

i meant the section "ANY POLISH TARTARS HERE?

I'm a basic looking nordic caucasian. My maternal grandfather was full Polish. His parents were from Poland. His mother had a fairly distinctive east asian look, though also caucasian too. My uncle, son of the grandfather, has a somewhat distinctive east asiatic look, particularly noticeable when he was a child. The maternal grandmother was basic western nordic European caucasian.

My mom and Uncle look substantially different, my mom doesn't have any of the asiatic features. My grandfather has subtler east asiatic features than my uncle, even though he is the genetic father of my uncle, and also of my mother. Same genetic parents for both my mom and uncle.

When the national geographic was giving DNA testing for people, my grandfather had his DNA tested, and the distinctive east asiatic markers were found, as we expected.

During the Mongol invasions of 1200, much rape took place and many of the Polish population was killed. The Mongols suddenly withdrew, due to death of their Khan in Mongolia. History has it that over 300,000 + mixed mongol/european polish childern were born. There was much debate at the time about what to do with them (due to the trauma involving their birth). The Polish Church begged the population to accept them, because they were sinless children and the population had been decimated due to the invasions. This was done.

Not very surprisingly, the children grew up to be expert horsemen (due to their Mongolian heritage) and soldiers. The later generations formed the famous Polish Cavalry, which helped defeat the Ottoman Turks at Vienna in the 1400s. The Cavalry wore strange helmets the made an eriee shreiking noise, when they charged and struck terror into the Turks. Poles are known as 'Gallant Poles', due to their bravery and elan in battle.

Polish people are a very good looking people, some with high cheekbones and almond shaped eyes, due to the mixed ancestry. In my humble opinion, Poland has among the most beautiful women in the world.

it seems improbable considering that the invading army was I am led to believe only 30 000 strong, and a woman only has a 30% chance of falling pregnant after intercourse, and considering that not every single soldier was out to rape.

could you provide more information? Especially about the second part with the church.

its some fairy tales

Yes, they have (when you know where is mongoly and Poland...) and i'm sure, us, Irish have it too, we're all linked i saw a lot of polish people with mongolian characteristics.

Where do you get this from?

But Poland's total population at that time was a little over a million. If 1/3 of the population were half-mongol, we'd all be VERY visibly mixed-race today.

Exactly, spot-on champ !
I do not know why are all these people, supposedly anti-nazi, using nazi methods of thinking when it comes to a group of people.
Poles do not worship blood purity, they do not measure noses, nor do they euthanise subjects who would not fit 'mould'.

When will people get this thru to their clouded minds - even Polish nationalists will go as far as accepting Jewish Poles as POLES full-stop.

Modern tatars should have little Mongolian gen. Their main ancestors were Volga Bulgars and Kipchaks.

I dont think so, Nearly my whole family is from that area, including Belarus/Lithuania region and none of us look like that. Neither does anyone that I recall.

No Poles do not have C or O haplogroups like Mongolians or Tatars. Neither do Ukrainians or Russians.

However 9 percent of Mongolians are R1a.

Likely from Mongolians capturing Slavs & Or Central Asians.

Or Ancient Indo-Europeans like Western Chinese Tocharians mixing with Mongolians who came from near Ukraine, Polish, Russia area.

Its possible that some modern Polish people have some mongol inside them, it's also possible that the lochness monster exists. I'd say there is a less than 50% chance that Poles have some mongol in them. Even during mongol empire they would have retreated south and west preventing any mixing

My grandfather's parents were both originally from Poland,and he definately kooked Asian,with dark yellowish brown skin,and he was short,and did not look White at all

Don't say ! What wrong with you people ? It is as somebody would wonder are you Americans all black? My grandfather had a dark skin and his parents where from the USA!

Do you see error of your way, now?

Ignorancy.That's all,nothing to be upset about.

That some modern Polish people are descended from member of the Golden Horde is not only possible it is an accepted fact. A Lithuanian grand duke named Witold, who was the cousin of the first Lithuanian king of Poland, was a backer of the Golden Horde in its struggle with the forces of Tamerlane, and when Tamerlane defeated the Golden Horde this grand duke allowed the members of the Golden Horde that survived the defeat to settle in Lithuania. The following is from an article by Dr. Marzena Godzińska titled "Polish Tartars":


angelfire.com/jazz/ntstar/history.htm
One illustrious Pole descended from Tartars is Poland's first Nobel Literature Lauriate Henryk Sienkiewicz:

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Poles would seem to be a mixture of Germanic & Nordic strains along with an admixture of whatever indigenous peoples who populated Carpathian region.

'Mongol' strain would derive from Khazars, Guz, Bulgars & little bit Tartar...Inter-marriage would have wiped out many 'pure' strains.

Probably from the same source which states that "most Polish women prefer black c*ck" - i.e., false opinion presented as fact (as is usual on PF) by schoolboys who know nothing about Poles. ;)

Are you claiming that the fact that some Poles are indeed descendants of the Golden Horde is false opinion? If you are then you are wrong.

I am of mixed Ukrainian, Serbian and Slovenian ancestry, with the Ukrainian part being the most expressed one, since I look like my great-grandfather who was Ukrainian with some polish ancestry. My family comes from western Ukraine, Ternopil oblast, from a village couple of kilometer outside Ternopil. I was just wondering, but do ukrainians have mongol genes inside them? I know I need a DNA test, and I will do it eventually, but answer please?

Thanks!

There are perhaps as many Scots and English with Mongol ancestry as Poles. Queen Elizabeth of Hungary, whose daughter married the Kings of both Scotland and England was a descendant of the Mongols. She has millions of descendants.

Yes and cabbage genes, grass genes, mouse genes and so on.

The Mongols went as far as Poland (judging from the gif on wiki it only touched parts of Poland)
There are probably descendants of Mongols. But I would guess nations like Ukraine and Russia have a higher percentage.

The Mongols sacked Krakow, but most Polish Mongol ancestry comes from members of the Golden Horde who were granted refuge in Lithuania after they were defeated by Tamerlane at the end of the 14th century.

Indeed. DNA isn't heritage - it's biology. I'd even go further and say it doesn't tell the whole story about ancestry.

Wouldn't it be interesting if one of our forum members actually had a genuine family tree done up that could properly trace their ancestry back to some Mongol or Tatar individual/family. What about yourself Des? Any Tatar ancestors?


In the sense that we are also made up of what our immediate environment bestows on us?