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Mongolian the Golden Horde - do Poles have Mongolian ancestry?

Przelotnyptak1 - | 374
7 Jan 2020 #241
How about this lady?

Yeah, German for sure! ::)), just look at the eyebrows Neanderthal influence without the doubt

So any links to articles and experts?

I assume every contributor to ,the collective knowledge of this board is a qualified expert, as the facial recognition goes ::))
Lyzko 28 | 7,001
7 Jan 2020 #242
High cheekbones and/or uneven facial fat distribution needn't automatically indicate Mongolian/Asian origins:-)
However on the subject of German, przelotnyptak, kaprys et al., I casually invite either of you or other interested parties, to kindly pull up an old photo of the late Christina Kaufmann.

She was a preternaturally beautiful half-French, German actress, similar in outward facial appearance to the above young lady....and of CIRCASSIAN heritage on one side of her family!

@kaprys, I'm well aware that "z pamiec(i)" is genitive, therefore the requisite final "i". Merely a slip of the ol' clicker.
Przelotnyptak1 - | 374
7 Jan 2020 #243
I was right, German for sure. Neanderthal characteristics clearly visible.

Come oh Lyzko , tell me you are kidding. ,look the nose, look the eyebrows, not mine idea of a beauty. Your exquisite sense of beauty is under suspicion from now on .
kaprys 3 | 2,496
7 Jan 2020 #244
I'm used to your typos -no need to explain your typos.
Now if high cheekbones and uneven facial fat distribution don't necessarily indicate Asian heritage of that lady, why would they in case of Poles?

Now the 'Asian' shape of eyes -the epicanthic fold.
Before I reveal who the first lady was, how about these people?
The last one might be easily recognisable.

mafketis 24 | 9,070
7 Jan 2020 #245
Neanderthal characteristics clearly visible.

I have seen some seriously Neanderthal looking people in Germany... in Poland? Not so much.
Przelotnyptak1 - | 374
7 Jan 2020 #246
Yeah, Rudolph Hess, for instance. Did you hear this, Lyzko? For sure Neanderthalization of Germany so apparent, no doubt about it::))
Lyzko 28 | 7,001
8 Jan 2020 #247
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Appearance, in the chromosomes of the respective gene pool.
kaprys 3 | 2,496
8 Jan 2020 #248
Apparently, Asian features are also in the eye of beholder. They're somehow more 'striking' if the object of the observation is Polish, as far as some people are concerned.

The photos I posted depict:
Young Judi Dench
Two Swedish sports people Jens Byggmark (with very obvious epicanthic fold (which is present among certain Europeans as well ) and Anja Perrson.
The last photo shows young Heinrich Himmler.
Lyzko 28 | 7,001
8 Jan 2020 #249
Apt examples, what more need I say.

Himmler was a Bavarian, as was the late director Rainer Werner Fassbinder. Both reveal that noticeable epicanthic fold.
My point is that the German Empire was rife for all sorts of cross-population currents over the early centuries of her evolution, Roman influence in the Rhineland, Gothic and general Nordic in the Schleswig-Holstein territory, Slavic in the East, possible Turkic/Tartar traces to the far southeast such as Bavaria.

On the other hand, the latter is completely absent on the whole from Great Britain, France, Denmark or the Netherlands, including as well the South of Europe, such as Spain, Italy, and Greece, interracial marriages notwithstanding:-)
Ziemowit 13 | 4,218
8 Jan 2020 #250
some seriously Neanderthal looking people in Germany... in Poland? Not so much

The percentage of Neanderthal ancestry nowhere in the world exceeds 2%. The highest levels are found in the Middle East and not in Europe.
Przelotnyptak1 - | 374
8 Jan 2020 #251
There you go! No further explanation necessary Not only bloodthirsty, cave dwellers, inheriting, Neanderthal savagery, hairy chests and backs
I swore, close cousins of no longer existing cave bears::))
kaprys 3 | 2,496
9 Jan 2020 #252
As far as I remember from my history lessons, at least some of the countries mentioned weren't free from foreign invasions.
mafketis 24 | 9,070
9 Jan 2020 #253
highest levels are found in the Middle East and not in Europe.

Then were do the caveman looking Germans come from?

I could swear I saw this guy outside a German grocery store in Berlin drinkin' with his buddies (and his friends around town)
Lyzko 28 | 7,001
9 Jan 2020 #254
Well, the valley of Neanderthal is located in Germany, if that means anything:-)
Ziemowit 13 | 4,218
9 Jan 2020 #255
if that means anything:-)

It means nothing. The Neanderthals as a species originated in Europe. At a certain time of their history they started to migrate out of Europe and at roughly the same moment modern humans (Homo sapiens) started to migrate out of Africa (not sure which 'out-of-Africa' migration it was as there was more than one). The two species met in the Middle East and subsequently they interbred. And as both were not so genetically distant from one another at the time of that first encounter, the results of the interbreeding was rather efficient.

The interbreeding that took place much later on in Europe (in today's Roumania, for example) was still possible, but less fruitful in the long run as the two species diverged even more genetically down to that time. Thus, the location of the cave where the remains of the Neaderthal people were first discovered in 1856 does not matter that much to the fact that Europeans have less Neanderthal ancestry than people in the Middle East. Anyway, the percentages of Neanderthal ancestry vary across Europe as well.

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