Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks.

R1a in Europe is oldest in Poland & Slovakia.

The R1a in Turkics was originally from Poland.

Central Asians were once Indo-European Andronovo people (The Aryans) who were .
mostly Blonde & red haired & Blue eyed Of Polish R1a

I do think the R1a in Northern Greece is likely from Indo-Europeans.

there is a direct path from Ukraine to Northern Greece by Proto Writing.

You had the First Writing in the Ukraine 24,000 yrs ago in Kamyana Mohyla

By 7,500 years ago there are the Tartaria Tablets of Romania & The Gradeshitsa tablet in Bulgaria also 7,500 yrs old.

By, 7,250 years ago you find the Dispillio Tablet in Northern Greece (Macedonia) The area with high R1a.

I think this shows direct evidence of R1a people from Ukraine & Poland settling in Northern Greece.

To me this is the start os the Greek culture. Clearly the Dispillio Tablet resembles Linear A B & C tablets in Greece as well as the Greek alphabet, & Phoenician alphabet.

It's good that you get it dude because that message has to resonate through-out the SouthSlavic world and beyond...

...and there is absolutely no need to be so patronizing and condescending!

As for this being a Polish Forum, that does not restrict or inhibit others from contributing, and this is what I do...I contribute to the debate where NoN Greek people attempt to adopt-usurp elements from Greek-Hellenic peoples cultural heritage in order to present them as exclusively their own!

I bloat this stuff wherever and whenever I see the Macedonian name plastered around on the Internet...usually in Slavic and Turkic Forums!

In stark contrast to the Western countries these two dissimilar poeples appear to enjoy common themes and synergies surrounding revisionism and pseudo-history, both seemingly enjoy de-Hellenizing the modern Greeks cutural and linguistic ancestors.

PolskiMoc...dude, ask yourself this simple question:

When did the Poles get to be Polish...???

Dude...24,000 years ago, were the people North of the Black Sea "Ukrainian" and If so, what made them Ukrainian!

When the ancient Greeks met the ancient peoples of the Crimea and Southern Russia...those ancient peoples knew they met ancient Greeks, you know that, right dude!

The Genes you carry, in your biological make-up...may not correlate with who you are today!

Blood and Dna do not relate to ethnicity, you know that, right dude!

I think it is likely that 24,000 years ago in Ukraine were Pre Indo-Europeans.

the first example of the Swastika is found in Ukraine 12,000 years ago

By about 8,000 years ago there are Swastikas found in the Balkan Vinca culture as well as about 7,000 years ago Swastikas found in Central Asia & Iran.

So, There is good evidence of Indo-European expansion out of the area of Poland, Ukraine & Russia.

I think it was older than they say too.

Slavic & Baltic languages are the closest to Pre Indo-European languages.

So, Essentially the center part of the Indo-European expansion became Balto Slavic

Pre-Indo-European Languages? How would a linguist go about studying such languages? Surely you must mean Proto-Indo-European. If so, then you are right about Baltic being the closest living language branch to Proto-Indo-European, but wrong about Slavic. The other language closest to Proto-Indo-European is Sanskrit, which died out as a lingua franca before the time of the Buddha but has been kept around in its ancient state, by the Brahmins, for saceradotal purposes .

@PolskiMoc

IndoEuropean...When this term is used it refers to a hypothesized common language group. Our IndoEuropean liguistic ancestors ranged from the Sanskrit speakers of the Hindus valley to the Celtic speakers, Latin speakers, Slavonic speakers, Germanic speakers and Greek-Hellenic speakers, a wide and varied Genetic mix of peoples speaking different languages with noticable common philological elements!

IndoEuropean...This term does not refer to a common ethnic-racial group from whence all those speakers above originate, you know that right, dude!

To equate the IndoEuropean term with Slavs, Whiteness or Blondness, Blue eyes or Polishness...is Silliness in the Extreme, you know that, right PolskiMoc!

Slavic is also very close to Proto Indo European.

Alot of Slavic words are shared to Sanskrit.

Slavic & Baltic languages share the same root.

Often times Anthropologists call the root Balto Slavic.

PolskiMoc is insane and likewise Nick the Greek is crazy. Surprised a little Crow has not shown up yet :-).

Anthropologists say the Kurgan Expansion is what spread Indo-European languages.

The Oldest Kurgan is found in Poland.

Archaeologists studying the site of a planned highway in southeastern Poland have made a stunning discovery; a kurgan burial mound dating to the early Bronze Age. According to the Polish press, who seem unusually excited by this archaeological news item, the 6,000-year-old kurgan and its contents are a major find that might change the way we view the prehistory of Europe.

The kurgan sits in a forest near the town of Szczytna and harbors several burials, one apparently belonging to a "warrior prince" (my translation from the Polish "Książę-Wojownik"). This so called warrior prince is laying in a crouched position, on his side, in classic Corded Ware burial style. His grave also contains an extremely rare copper battle axe, as well as a copper vase, cups and jewelery. However, his isn't the main burial within the kurgan, so we could be in for a few more surprises yet when the archaeologists start working on the main chamber.

There are direct Links with Kurgans to Indo European expansion . With Kurgans being oldest Poland, Ukraine & Southern Russia.

By 4,000 years ago a Kurgan is found in Sweden.

This is about the same time the First Nordic Phenotypes arrived in Sweden. Before that Nordic phenotypes were in Poland, Ukraine & Russia.

This shows direct Cordedware expansion of Indo-Europeans from Poland into Sweden. The Battle axe people in Sweden became Proto Germanics.

Theodor Poesche a German Anthropologist In 1878 he published The Aryans: A contribution to historical anthropology. Based on the physical characteristics attributed to the Indo-European (blond hair, blue eyes or light, tall, slim hips, fine lips, chin prominence, dolicocéphalie) by the philologist Ludwig Geiger, he places the origin in the marshes of Rokitno, Poland, where albinism was frequent

Dude...I am inhibited here, from posting links to websites...but why dont you do it, follow these instructions:

1...Google search
2...Type this in the search field...anthropolgy language tree
3...The site is Anthropology.Net

Should look something like this ...//anthropology.net/2008/02/05/the-indo-european-language-tree/

The languages closest to the Root of the Tree [The Mother Tongue] are not Baltic or Slavic...rather the Hellenic!

You are right Nick "Indo-European" is not the term that refers to the ethnic-racial group from which the Indo-European speakers originate. The proper term for the speakers of the original language from which all the other Indo-European languages can trace their genealogy is Proto-Indo-Europeans. No one knows what these people looked like and as they spread throughout Asia and Europe they interbred with the peoples already living in the places they migrated to, and so today's Indo-Europeans are all an ethnical mix with both Proto-Indo-European and non-Proto-Indo-European origins.

Nick the Greek

Balto Slavic is closest to the root.

That is why Balto Slavic share alot of similarities to both Sanskrit & Germanic & other Indo-European langauges.

also Balto - Slavic is in the area Indo-European languages spread from in the Kurgan Expansion!

Dude...I take Nothing away from those who wish to aligne themselves and their ancestral beginnings to the Kurgan culture!

Rule of Thumb...Modern Human Intelligence occured when static Paleolithic [Genes] settlements interacted and intermingled with the spread of the Neolithic approximately 6000 years ago!

Attempting to go further back decreases Intelligence...to attempt to go way way back, I mean back to the Primordial Amoeba stage in order to seal ones ancestral heritage means little and counts for nothing without evidence, something built or something recorded and documented like what the Egyptians did and like what the Greeks did etc etc etc!

Big lie.
Human Intelligence came from when people from Poland & Ukraine conquered the world with Indo-European languages & Spread across the Balkans, Indus Valley, Mesopotamia, Anatolia, Greece & Even Egypt ect.

As from Eastern Europe the inventions of the Copper age, Bronze age, First Writing evidence, First wheel, First Wagon, First true Chariot, First chain mail armor, First Gold plating technology, First Composite bows, First Alcohol. First Textiles, First Tailored suites, First Block houses, First female fashion ect had spread from Eastern Europe into larger populated river valleys like Indus, Mesopotamia & Egypt.


We know what they looked like they were Corded Nordics with R1a haplogroup.

They moved from Poland to Ukraine & Russia bringing R1a haplogroup East into Central Russian / Central Asian Andronovo culture.

Out of 10 human male remains assigned to the Andronovo horizon from the Krasnoyarsk region, 9 possessed the R1a Y-chromosome haplogroup and one C haplogroup (xC3). mtDNA haplogroups of nine individuals assigned to the same Andronovo horizon and region were as follows: U4 (2 individuals), U2e, U5a1, Z, T1, T4, H, and K2b.

90% of the Bronze Age period mtDNA haplogroups were of west Eurasian origin and the study determined that at least 60% of the individuals overall (out of the 26 Bronze and Iron Age human remains' samples of the study that could be tested) had light hair and blue or green eyes.[6]

A 2004 study also established that during the Bronze Age/Iron Age period, the majority of the population of Kazakhstan (part of the Andronovo culture during Bronze Age), was of west Eurasian origin (with mtDNA haplogroups such as U, H, HV, T, I and W), and that prior to the 13th-7th century BC, all Kazakh samples belonged to European lineages

The Sintashta culture, also known as the Sintashta-Petrovka culture[1] or Sintashta-Arkaim culture,[2] is a Bronze Age archaeological culture of the northern Eurasian steppe, dated to the period 2100-1800 BCE.[3] The earliest known chariots have been found in Sintashta burials, and the culture is considered a strong candidate for the origin of the technology, which spread throughout the Old World and played an important role in ancient warfare.[4] Sintashta settlements are also remarkable for the intensity of copper mining and bronze metallurgy carried out there, which is unusual for a steppe culture.[5]

Modern Polish People got to be that way by known natural processes which can be traced back in backwards compatible fashion to the forming of the modern Polish Ethnos...Similarly, Macedonians got to be be Greek-Hellenic people entirely by natural processes...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs did not become Macedonian by any known natural processes, rather they became Macedonian by default and design!

1...They renamed their SerboBulgarian language to Macedonian, by design!

2...They claim ethnicity from the language they speak, by default!

3...They renamed the Vardar region of SouthSerbia to The Socialist Republic of Macedonia, by design!

4...They claim nationality from the country name, by default.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not Macedonian in the natural sense, they did not become Macedonian due to known natural processes, rather they became Macedonian by default and design...product of the Slavists, who's Mind Architects schemed a way of making Macedonians out of SouthSlavs by using revisionism pseudo-history and ant-Hellenic propaganda.

By genes Fyrom are Macedonians though.

They are like Bulgarian speaking Macedonians.

Bulgarians are close to Greeks in genes anyways.

Bulgarians, Albanians, Fyrom, & south Serbians are more like Greeks than like Poles, Russians & Ukrainians

@admin This forum needs to be shut down. #trolls #BalkanCornerMaterial #irrelevance

George can't take the reality of it, having read the comments from PolskiMoc entry #271 where he states...

...Bulgarians, Albanians, Fyrom, & south Serbians are more like Greeks than like Poles, Russians & Ukrainians!

PolskiMoc is just saying what the worlds leading Geneticist, Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza said way back 1993 in his works "Genes Peoples Languages," that all of the countries neighbouring the Hellenic Republic are of Partial Greek ancestry...meaning, they carry that stuff Greeks carry in the biological make-up making them closer to Greeks than to say, Poles or Russians or Ukranians!

Greeks have always said...we shall never deny our neighbours their rightfull history in the Haemus [Balkan] Peninsula, at the same time our neighbours should reciprocate, they sould recognize and acknowledge in No uncertain terms the Greek-Hellenic Identity of Alexander the Great and the ancient Macedonians from antiquity!

Poles Walk and Talk like Slavs because they are Proud of their Slavonic Heritage...similarly, Macedonians Walk and Talk like Greeks because they are Proud of their Greek-Hellenic Heritage!

Poles got to be Poles by completely natural processes, nobody can take from Poles elements from their cultural heritage which did not belong to NoN Polish people in the first place, the same logic and criteria should be applied to Macedonians...They got to be Greek-Hellenic people completely naturally, by natural processes and not by default and design!

Merged: I took a DNA test, and found out why my Polish grandfather, and siblings looked all different

My maternal grandfather is the only grandparent of mine that had any ancestry that wasn't Irish,English or Native American Indian.My maternal grandfather's parents immigrated from Poland to the USA in the early 1900's.What is weird about both of them is that they were both born in the United States in Massachusetts,and their parents were born in what was then Russia but is now Poland.They both moved back to Poland when they were children with their parents, they both escaped Poland,and moved back to the United States when they were young adults.She was Ashkenazi Jewish by ethnicity even though she didn't practice Judaism.I have always been very interested in all of my ancestry,and have always been very interested in my ancestry,and have done a lot of genealogical research.I have gotten very interested in deoxyribonucleic acid(DNA).The DNA company 23andme said things about my DNA that I already knew were in my ancestry,and then said some things that I did not know,for an example Romanian.I know that I definitely had to get the ancestry from Romania from my maternal grandfather because he was my only grandparent with Eastern European ancestry.I found out from an in-depth look at my DNA results let me know that I inherited the most DNA from my maternal grandfather than any other grandparent,and that I have 17% Northeastern European DNA,14.50% Mediterrranean DNA,4.37% Ashkenazi Jewish,an 2.2% South Asian DNA which I know that since full blooded Native Americans have 25% Northeastern European DNA it's impossible to know how much of it is Slavic.All of the my Mediterranean DNA came from the Romanian ancestry,the 2.2% South Asian DNA had to come from Gypsies,and my mother's babcia only bequeathed me 4.37% of her DNA.My maternal grandfather's parents spoke Polish,and even though my mother's dziadzio spoke fluent English,her babcia did not speak it fluently,and she was very hard to understand when she spoke the English that she did know.They were both buried in a cemetery that was split in half.One half was all French people,and the other half all Polish people.

Greeks similar to Southern Slavs ???? Hahahaha dont make jokes. I was a couple time in Greece for vacations and all a saw was just black and olive guys, not so white with an avarage body. Greeks are similar to middle east guys not too much with Balkan kind of guys. I am from Hungary but i live in Germany and i have a lot of friends from Balkan like Serbs, Croats, Albanians, Bulgars and Bosnians and they are a different from Greeks. Anyway i was there a cuople of time and i love Greece.

Merged: I am part Polish, and I took a very in-depth DNA test.

The DNA company that I use is the most in-depth be in a test of any I have ever seen. The name of the company is 23andme. What I found out is my Polish great-grandfather bequeathed me ancestry from Romania as well as a small amount of 2.2% South Asian DNA which I know definitely explains the reasons why my maternal grandfather looked the way he did when all that was not buddies insist me is that his mother was Ashkenazi Jewish, and that his father was Polish. However my grandfather did not look Polish, jewish , or even Romanian. He definitely must have inherited his physical protein from the Roma that most people recognize a lot better by there nickname Gypsies. Physical protein is only 3% of our DNA, and can be from anyone in your ancestry.

I am part Polish, and back to the most in-depth DNA test that I have ever seen. The DNA test let me know that I have Romanian ancestry which I know had to come from my Polish great-grandfather, and he bequeathed me 2.2% South Asian DNA which explains why my maternal grandfather looked the way 2.2% South Asian DNA which explains why my maternal grandfather looked the way he did. Physical protein is only 3% of our DNA. And he definitely looked like he could've been full blooded Roma

Merged: DNA study about Poles.

DNA study says that there is continuity between people who lived here 3000 years ago and modern Poles. Also that they're a branch of Aryans that moved to Europe Sarmates.

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Ancestry DNA test - Tatar and Turk

I have the answer! I am a black eyed, dark skin 100% pole and I always wondered why. My 3 brothers are blue eyed fair skinned and my father and 1 grandmother were fairly dark but not like me. I just took the ancestry DNA test and it showed that I am from the Tatras region which I knew because my grandparents immigrated from Krakus around 191. It also showed I am 6% from the Caucasus region which must be from the Turks invasion.

Is there any DNA test that I can take in the EU and does it test for Polish DNA?

Merged:

Something about your gene?

I understand things can be tough and there are many things you dont know, I dont know my father and I think I saw him today in my dream twice. One day everything will be amazing to EVERYONE! yes! it's huge and humans really live long long time. so be patient.