Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks.

A man who cannot differentiate between Slavic and Germanic women must be either blind or have no taste at all.

Well, since the upcoming of nation states and borders not anymore, but it did for millennia and the stem is still the same.

The rest is all politics...

sure, you know why?

because Poles are Thracians (RAS/RACI/RASHKI people) in origin, as well as Greeks (just RAS people of what is today`s Greece was Hellenized) and Macedonians. But, not only them. All Slavs, more or less, especially Danubian (Balkan) branch

Greeks (Slavs) were Hellenized
Hungarians (Slavs) were Hungarized
Romanians (Slavs) were Romanized
Germans/Austrians (Slavs) were Germanized
etc, etc, etc... all the way to the terms Europe and Europezation.


Swabia = Serbia, meaning Sarmatia

Yeah... Serbia = Swabia! We should reoccupy our Swabia in the Balkans....

that what is called Swabia today, back in time, was heartland of Northern Danubian Proto Slavic branch


then take it

so with a many Slavic nations but they all differ big time, do not copy nationalistic propaganda here please :)

Wishful thinking! You are a dreamer Crowie...I can't blame you for wanting to belong to the titanic germanic tribes family...who wouldn't...

...but it looks abit pathetic for someone who is allegedly "proud to be a Slav", ya know....


Which would be?

Why going back so deep.
Say "sve ludje" today and most Slavs will undestand you.

But no Suebi/Swabian would!

So you agreed. That was easy.

Agreed to what?

I concur, the Balkans have become an ultranationalistic shithole...

It is very common
There are a lot of Polonized Germans living in Poland and feeling themselves as Poles (I as an example, just that I live in Norway at the moment -.-)


Indeed


Swabians?! You mean the people/place which is the origin of the Polish swear/bad word for germans? Szwab?
I agree with BB their not Slavic and have no connection with Poles what so ever!

(My Grandmother told me how her cousin moved during the end of WW2 to Germany and was often in Schwabia she said "I now know why Poles call Germans "Ty Szwabie" when they get angry" their very provincial/nationalistic and don't like anyone else and are kind of rude to outsiders)


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You will be able to take over Serbia and the Balkans if you wish for it! ;)

Yes, I heard the same thing. That Swabians gave all Germans a bad reputation in Poland. It is commonly said that they were rude to the Germanic "natives" when they moved into the area. They felt they were better, smarter than the Poles and the German/Dutch who had lived there for hundreds of years. In the end, as colonists, they had to be helped to survive by both the Poles and the German-Poles as they themselves had few practical skills. Of course that is a generalization and probably not true for all. But enough of them were like this that the word remains today in Poland as a derogatory name for Germans.

Hmmmm....they have a different rep in Germany....they are the german scots, being frugal to a fault.
Keeping the books like a Swabian is an compliment in Germany! ;)

Travel once to Schwabia! Maybe you will experience something else? (My grandmothers cousin was almost full blood German and spoke Polish poorly I got hard time thinking she was lying or making it up)

I still don't see the connection between Swabia and the Germans in Poland and how they could give the Germans IN POLAND such a bad rep...I mean just look at the map.

Swabia is far away in the south west of Germany..*scratches head*

Well in the old old old days they were probably much closer and later on when Polish merchants (I guess) met German merchants they noticed something special about those from Schwabia, and when they asked where they came from it stayed! ;)

Because at one time, they were invited to colonize the areas around the Vistula. They were living among Polish farmers and Low Germans who could drain the swamps and farm. They may have been great book keepers, but lacked the skills necessary to survive. They made fun of the local Germans and Poles. They looked down on them as though those Germans from north Germany were unsophisticated and they were more like true Germans from the south of Germany.

See Swabian settlement areas pre WWII:

upstreamvistula.org/History/Breyer_Map.htm

Damn why can't I ever have good working ideas?
Merchents?! Damn it Poles weren't much of an middle class until 18th century damn it!

That was a very good hunch, Mr. Grunwald. I just happen to know about this because my ancestors were both ethnic Polish and ethnic Low Germans.

Well...yeah...that explains it....northern Germans against southern Germans...ja ja..

Or new comers to the area....who liked it better home. Kind of like those annoying Yankees who move down South in the USA and make all the locals annoyed. (Me being one of those at one time who has learned to fit in.) :-)

Not sure if this is too far off topic... but here are the interesting facts that may shed some light who was first where...

Remember Corded Ware Culture? it's 3200 - 1800 BCE...atributed to R1a...
see
eupedia.com/europe/neolithic_europe_map.shtml
(sorry I needed to remove h-t-t-p:// and w-w-w from links below... guest rules)

here comes something really interesting..."the earliest family reported" - see Eulau ... tests show R1a...
dienekes.blogspot.com/2008/11/y-chromosomes-and-mtdna-from-eulau.html
It confirms the presense of R1a in the central of Germany at 2600 BCE ... this really must be embarassing to some Germans...

And here is another one...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lichtenstein_Cave

Among others there were two R1a and one R1b...

To me it sounds like 4:1 for R1a ... at least in that area.

One may say - well it's the fact R1a was there because it was the part of Corded Ware expansion! So what's the big deal? But I thing it is a big deal cause those ARE the eldest artifacts that come from the "hard core" German theritory and they clearly point to R1a (proto Slavic?) genome. Not too many R1b's reported from that time... and it had been a couple of thousands years while they were there...

Trust me BB, I am now convinced that the next time you visit Swabia, and some Swabian happens to be rude to you, deep down there will be a little thought in your head saying 'damn Swabians'(:

Merged thread:
Alexander the Great: Greek or SouthSlav

Is it true...Slavonic people consider Alexander the Great to be of Slavic origin ???

Macedonians have always been a Greek Hellenic people...as far as I am aware,!

On what basis is Alexander the Great considered Slavic!

Just asking!

some aspects of modern day Polish genetics for sure keep prof for Polish Thracian ancestry. Population of Poland coming from the so called `Balkan Ice age refugium`. People was slowly dispersed along the Danube river after ice age was finished. Plus, much later, in what is today`s Poland, two branches of Proto Slavs combined- one from Balkan (SRB/Sarmatians) and other from Ukraine (ROS/Scythians)- another ice age refugium. Danubian group populated what is today`s Poland approximately 4000-6000 years BC and other group from Ukraine started to arriving there in around 3000 BC. People then changed direction of migration and started to go eastward so, genetics says that modern day Russia was actually populated from Poland.

But please, keep in mind that Thracians were Proto Slavs, same ethos as Sarmatians/Scythians. Scythians themselves were branch of Sarmatians. Dacians, too. So, Poles are Sarmats and also Thracians in the same time. Those were two designations of same Proto Slavic people.

Primarily Russians and Ukrainians. I don`t mind, quite a nice result, but don`t tell other native and alien Poles about it, they will be mad. :):):)

Was Alexander the Great a Proto-Slav

Proto-Slavs in the times of Alexander the great (or the short ;) lived happily in the marshes of Pinsk on the Belarus Ukraine border ;) or sorry they were not that happy after all - the humidity must have been an issue ;)