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1jola   
18 Aug 2009
News / Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again [198]

Any remark made utilizing race to make fun = Racism.

Oh no, another antifa warrior fighting racism and antisemitism wherever it rears its ugly head.
1jola   
1 Aug 2009
History / Bielski Brothers - does anyone know the story? [38]

have a read about the Kapo trials.

How many kapos, Ghetto police, Gestapo agents were tried and brought to justice? Why are Jews hunting camp guards and not their own traitors? Why does Israel protect war criminals? What law went into effect in Israel to protect them?

If you want anybody to have any clue what you are talking about, yes.

Read the wiki entry, then the source and see if they mean the same. They do not. The person making the entry twisted the original meaning to the effect that bagels become Polish national food. Nonsense. The source talks about Jews only and bagels become their staple food because they could be made quickly after the Sabbath.

I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean

Relax, not many can agree with Harry on all points, that's all.
1jola   
31 Jul 2009
History / 64th anniversary of the Warsaw Uprising [71]

Here is Vatela's link:

warsawuprising.com/witness/schenk.htm

Schenk's story is worth reading; it dispels the idea that it was only the "Nazis."

In lesser cultured countries folk often confuse the Warsaw Uprising with the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.
1jola   
31 Jul 2009
History / Bielski Brothers - does anyone know the story? [38]

Could you perhaps post some links showing that this is a widely held belief?

I'll be happy to do so when I come back from sailing. Had you been more human, we would have invited you too, being generally hospitable to foreigners living here.

I'd most certainly have words to say about the topic (something along the line of "No he certainly isn't absolved of guilt for any crimes".)

You'll have a chance to say what you want, but looking at the record, you'll have a hard time finding others supporting your quest for the truth. Last time we tried this, Sjam dug up a 7 year old article which amounted to nothing. To 'most certainly have words to say about the topic' you will have to read the Ghetto chroniclers. And I don't mean from Holocaust websites for obvious reasons.

There's somebody who posts here who once collaborated with a foreign power and stood ready to attack Poland anytime he was ordered to do so.

Wimp! You seem to be bored so, go to 'Bagel' on wiki and look up the history of the bagel.

Wiki entry: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagel

Contrary to common legend, the bagel was not created in the shape of a stirrup to commemorate the victory of Poland's King Jan Sobieski over the Ottoman Turks in 1683. It was actually invented much earlier in Kraków, Poland, as a competitor to the obwarzanek, a lean bread of wheat flour designed for Lent. In the 16th and first half of the 17th centuries, the bajgiel became a staple of the Polish national diet.[5]

The source, note 5, reads slightly different though:

Contrary to legend, the bagel was not created (in the shape of a stirrup) to commemorate the victory of Poland's King Jan Sobieski over the Ottoman Turks in 1683. It was born much earlier in Krakow, Poland, as a competitor to the obwarzanek, a lean bread made of wheat flour and designed for Lent. In the 16th century and first half of the 17th, a "golden age for Poland's Jews," the bajgiel became a staple in the nationaldiet.

forward.com/articles/14502/

Do I need to comment?

Harry:
Check my posts in the other forums, they tend to be more positive. Touche. I stand corrected.

Aren't there always?


Maybe you two are soul mates?
1jola   
31 Jul 2009
History / Bielski Brothers - does anyone know the story? [38]

However, these days it is unfortunately very rare to find Jews who will agree that not all Jews were complete angels and all too common to find Jews who say that all Jews were angelic victims and any Jewish person who did anything wrong was either a communist or a non-religious or self-hating Jew and therefore not a Jew!

They go further. Any Jew collaborating with the Germans or the Soviets is instantly absolved of crimes because he was saving his life.

#23
Jews and Poles alike joined the German patrolling units in Warsaw. Source: Szpilman

In fact, he made the point that far more Jews did that. He himself was a Jew of course.

Szpilman was a great pianist. His family perished, yet he stayed after the war in Poland and worked for Polish Radio although he had offers from all over the world. He loved this country and was well respected before and after the war. Just another tale of Polish antisemitism.

The Bielski brothers film is a feel good attempt to show that Jews fought back. They did in some cases, although it was rare, but in this case they simply did not. Picture 1,200 people hiding in the woods. That is a lot of mouths to feed. Their "fighting" was limited to avoiding detection and robbing the local population of scarce supplies. Their co-operation with NKVD is well documented by Jewish sources as well.
1jola   
28 Jul 2009
News / New York Post : "Polish" Death Camps and more [278]

Coming back to the OP.

Frequent liar Alan Dershowitz pens a smear article in Sunday's Jerusalem Post, in which this passage cought my attention:

The conclusion that is supposed to follow from this "fact" is that the establishment of Israel in the wake of the Nazi genocide of the Jewish people was unfair to the Palestinians. Central to this claim is that neither the Palestinian people nor their leadership bore any responsibility for the Holocaust, and if any reparations are owed the Jewish people, it is from Germany and not from the Palestinians. The propounders of this historical argument suggest that the West created the Jewish state out of guilt over the Holocaust. It might have been understandable if a portion of Germany (orPoland, Lithuania, Latvia, France, Austria, or other collaborator nations) had been allocated for a Jewish homeland - but why Palestine? Palestine, according to this claim, was as much a "victim" as were the Jews.

I hear this argument on university campuses around the United States, and even more so in Europe.

The truth is that the Palestinian leadership, supported by the Palestinian masses, played a significant role in Hitler's Holocaust.

I'm still rubbing my eyes. He thinks it would have been understandable to create a Jewish state out of Poland because it was a collaborationist nation????!!!!!

In the States he should be asked to explain himself publicly.
1jola   
24 Jul 2009
News / New York Post : "Polish" Death Camps and more [278]

Final remark:
My very first impression of this forum - that hatred, bigotry and hypocrisy abound - was spot on. You serve your country really well, guys. And you wonder why you are so "popular" abroad?

My first impression of you was spot on too. A troll looking for proof of hatred, bigotry, and hypocrisy. You finally found it, finally. Your debut was such a success.
1jola   
23 Jul 2009
News / New York Post : "Polish" Death Camps and more [278]

Blaming Poland for what the communists did is indeed a slap on the face. TheOther should read up on this period of history. Here is a start:

A little later...

In fact, torture was routine even in cases of detention unrelated to any insurgent or political activity. In July 1951, a Soviet diplomat informed his superiors that

in the Province of Bydgoszcz during the peak season of grain purchase [i.e. forced grain seizure ] many arrests of middle peasants [średniacy ] took place by the militia organs. They were held in detention and beaten during interrogation.... In Bydgoszcz a peasant woman was tortured applying barbarian methods. She was interrogated and beaten and then before her very eyes the militiamen drank a shot glass of vodka each and thus 'fortified' the militiamen continued the beating.[19]

projectinposterum.org/docs/chodakiewicz1.htm
1jola   
22 Jul 2009
News / New York Post : "Polish" Death Camps and more [278]

And thus with Stalin's death communism ended in Poland and democracy flurished, right? And you want to know why a UB camp continued to operate? Take your friend with you.

Anyway, so do you think these 'mistakes' in the papers are unintentional or deliberate?
1jola   
22 Jul 2009
News / New York Post : "Polish" Death Camps and more [278]

No, you're easy to miss.

So you agree this TheOther is just throwing crap hoping some of it sticks. "Death camps," "Poland's dirty secret," "the final solution," "killing in concentration camps,"of course as part of the final solution.

Or did they finally sent you help?
1jola   
22 Jul 2009
News / New York Post : "Polish" Death Camps and more [278]

Then a controlled (i.e. ordered by high-ranking members of the Polish communists or by the Soviets) "final solution" for the remaining German population - be it ethnic cleansing or killing in concentration camps - would be even more plausible.

So what prevented them from carrying it out, genius? Did they find Jesus?
1jola   
21 Jul 2009
News / FEINSTEIN NEW us AMBASSADOR TO POLAND [47]

In the US such prestigious but quite harmless posts are often given as a reward for support and money during the voting campaign.

During the Campaign Obama criticized Bush for appointing allies and fundraisers as Ambassadors. He promised to end the culture of cronyism and appointing Lobbyists in his administration. But, money makes the world go round.

England: Louis Susman, Jewish billionaire, Primary fundraiser for Obama, former Citibank Executive

Germany: Phil Murphy; former Goldman Sachs investment banker, Obama fundraiser

Ireland: Dan Rooney, football team owner, Obama fundraiser

palestinethinktank.

The people she listens to on the topic include Clinton administration veterans like Richard Holbrooke, Martin Indyk and Lee Feinstein who was her national security coordinator during the presidential campaign. All of them blame the Palestinians for the breakdown of the peace talks and argue that the Palestinians need to provide a stronger interlocutor in order for the peace process to go forward. They view Israel as America's best ally in the region and vigorously defend its right to use force to defend itself.

observer

AIPAC sent a millitant Zionist? If he starts going on and on about the Holocaust,we will know for sure.
1jola   
21 Jul 2009
News / New York Post : "Polish" Death Camps and more [278]

I didn't compare the Holocaust to Poland's dirty little secrets,

Dirty little secret? You think Poland is trying to supress information about Soviet NKVD run, Stalinist camps set up after the war to mainly brutalize AK soldiers?

I see for you they are Polish camps, death camps no less. You are full of deception.

Maybe some Polish people need to learn that their past wasn't as glorious as their politicians want them to believe?

Here you go again. Shocking ignorance. Polish politicians tell us what to believe? About Stalinist camps?
1jola   
18 Jul 2009
History / Did General Kriskrosnowski really exist? [11]

Uhm, sorry about that. Let me put the link up.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%c5%82odzimierz_Krzy%c5%bcanowski

I see his memoires were published in the USA. Chopin's cousin.
1jola   
17 Jul 2009
News / Poland among the greatest enemies of Russia [112]

Why was the Pravda article thread removed? It was the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

I liked this:

Poland also invaded Lithuania capturing and holding its capital city, Tallinn.

1jola   
17 Jul 2009
History / Generał Nil [39]

I think they are. Fieldorf's daughter doesn't think it will happen, but she's been searching for her father's grave for over 50 years and she is probably sceptical. The article is short and I don't know anything else about it.

Considering because the are probably other graves on top of the pits now and I have no idea what are the ethical issues involved.
1jola   
17 Jul 2009
History / Generał Nil [39]

They need approval from first from the city, the cemetary authorities, and the Health Dept.
1jola   
17 Jul 2009
History / Generał Nil [39]

In today's Zycie Warszawy there is an article about IPN historians finding a raport in the archives from 12 April 1956 written by the Rackowiecka Street Prison gravedigger.

It states that Gen. Nil, and 250 other AK soldiers, were burried(dumped) on the outskirts of the Powązki Cemetary.

IPN is considering exhuming the bodies of the murdered soldiers for proper burial.

zw.com.pl/artykul/382368_IPN_odkryl_mogile_generala__Nila_.html
1jola   
17 Jul 2009
Life / What kind of horses are popular in Poland? [21]

Who's trying to degrade Fresians? They're the strongest working horses in the world!

Huh? The valors and shortcomings of Fresians haven't been discussed.

Hey, we've got our pride too you know!

Good for you. Are you Dutch or a Fresian?

So enlighten me, what's so dumb about historical facts?

Which historical facts are you referring to? I hope not this nonsense:

The husars probably had friesian horses.

The word "probably" is key. The girl has no clue about Polish cavalary, military history, but its cute that her daddy bought her a pony.

Let's have a race, I'll ride my Friesian and you can ride your dumb horse.
If you even know how to ride.

I ride well enough, thank you. While my thoroughbred in not at the track anymore, I'm sure he could canter past your galloping Fresian.

Do a little research, and come back with what you have learned about Hussars' horses. Wio!
1jola   
17 Jul 2009
Life / What kind of horses are popular in Poland? [21]

I did. If you read my post again, I didn't say those were Friesian horses, but their ancestors.

I read your dumb post correctly the first time.

The husars probably had friesian horses.

And you spelled Friesian wrong, silly boy.

This is rich from a person who can't distinguish Hussars from Husars and doesn't know what a verb is.

They from Holland,

1jola   
17 Jul 2009
History / UKRAINIAN GENOCIDE AGAINST POLES DOWNPLAYED [57]

We have our heroes and you have yours.

Your UPA heroes were a bunch of death squads guilty of what amounts to genocide.

I think that is a well established fact. Take your propaganda elsewhere.
1jola   
16 Jul 2009
History / UKRAINIAN GENOCIDE AGAINST POLES DOWNPLAYED [57]

Just now worried about the NKVD tactics being used in Russia (aka Soviet Russia) to silence dissidents. Learned habits.......

Huh? Are you OK?