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SeanBM 35 | 5,808
3 Nov 2010 #331
I think the break down in communication on this thread is a good example of how Europeans and Americans experience life differently.

I notice it a lot on these forums, our use of English is different, I can think of a few key words that have completely different meanings to us, Ethnicity, Liberal, Socialism, discrimination are but a few.

When Barney said

the inability of your average punter to discriminate.

it looks as though people read it as him meaning that people are being discriminated against but he actually meant the opposite, that the difference isn't known.

I think "discrimination" in the States, even as a word sets off alarm bells.
I am not saying it is good or bad, just conditioning.

Oscar Wilde famously declared that Britain (lets say English speaking Europe) and America were two nations divided by a common language.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
3 Nov 2010 #332
Can you tell if someone is half Polish? what about a quarter? what about a Polish Lithuanian?

hahahahaa, a half Pole or quarter Pole isn't a Pole, but only half or quarter. Even if he/she is half something very often they look fully or mostly the other ethnicity, so it didn't make any sense what you were trying to say.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
3 Nov 2010 #333
hahahahaa, a half Pole or quarter Pole isn't a Pole, but only half or quarter.

So if a person is half Polish, lives in Poland their whole lives and knows no other culture, they are not Polish?

That is very strange for me.

No comment on where the people are from, no?

so it didn't make any sense what you were trying to say.

I am saying that we are people, with mixed up DNA, that when you talk about ethnicity I think you are talking about something that just doesn't exist in real terms. And when I talk about nationality it is more like culture.

That you can't tell a Pole from a Czech in reality (DNA) but if you speak Polish you would be able to tell the difference in language to Czech (culture).
Havok 10 | 912
3 Nov 2010 #334
Well, aren’t you great..........what I do with my money is my concern.

Looking for stats on perception in notoriously difficult given the nature of the subject matter. I gave my opinion, you engineered a dispute because you are too stupid to understand a few commonly used words, if English were not your first language I could understand.

My opinion is based upon travelling, reading and talking.

See now you're just upset. I do apologize that i confused nationality with ethnicity Mr. Adolph Woodchuck sir. My opinion is based on reading traveling and talking as well.

When reading start with the idea of manifest destiny and work from there. When talking to people you can’t help but notice that Americans usually self apply a hyphen, Europeans usually talk about nation.

That tells me that you don't understand, but i see that you do have a capacity to do so. Why don't you come down open up a little, live here for a few years (can't be uptight about it) and I'm sure you'll understand why. If you hang around academics for too long you get brainwashed in to not seeing the obvious. I really don't feel like explaining this to you, because I'm afraid that you pop a gasket or something.
guesswho 4 | 1,289
3 Nov 2010 #335
a half Pole or quarter Pole isn't a Pole,

well, a quarter horse is still a horse ;-)
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
3 Nov 2010 #336
I am saying that we are people, with mixed up DNA, that when you talk about ethnicity I think you are talking about something that just doesn't exist in real terms. And when I talk about nationality it is more like culture.
That you can't tell a Pole from a Czech in reality (DNA) but if you speak Polish you would be able to tell the difference in language (culture).

But Poles have some outside admixture but it's almost perfectly evenly distributed, a lil bit of German, bit of Ukrainian, Lithuanian, Jewish, Russian, all mixed well with the original Slavic genes, and there is a face of a typical blond Pole, a brunette, or dark haired, there's like 3 or 4 looks to an ethnicity when you see it you know what someone is.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
3 Nov 2010 #337
there's like 3 or 4 looks to an ethnicity when you see it you know what someone is.

I think you really don't know what you are talking about, in fact I am sure of it. This should be no problem for you then.

Polish? Him? What about him?
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
3 Nov 2010 #338
well, a quarter horse is still a horse ;-)

is a half wolf half human still a human or a werewolf? i think appearance changes

Polish?

Jewish

Him?

Polish gay guy, probably from Poznan :)

What about him?

and Jewish once again, no offense of course he just does
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
3 Nov 2010 #339
SeanBM:
Polish?

Jewish

SeanBM:
Him?

Polish gay guy, probably from Poznan :)

SeanBM:
What about him?

and Jewish once again, no offense of course he just does

Congratulations you got 0 out of 3.

Really? i have no problem distinguishing a Pole from a non Pole, there is something as looking Polish

there's like 3 or 4 looks to an ethnicity when you see it you know what someone is.

So that's that then.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
3 Nov 2010 #340
Congratulations you got 0 out of 3.

No of them look Polish, anyone who knows what i'm talking about would agree with me, if i'm wrong, then why can I and just about anyone else tell what ethnicity someone is just by looking at them??????

Either that, or you're a dumb Polack.

Son you have some serious issues, or you get offended too easily, he said nothing for you to say that twice.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
3 Nov 2010 #341
SeanBM:
Congratulations you got 0 out of 3.

No of them look Polish,

Too late, your answer is invalid after me telling you the answer.

We could play again if you like, I will get three more contestants and you can tell me their ethnicity, right?

I could do this all night but it feels like I am just teasing a child.

You don't have to use fancy language to get your point across, but then what other people would think about me???!?? omg! I better use fancy language quick...

I don't think it is fancy, just different.
We do not speak the same, that doesn't make what I say fancy.
For me it is more important to be understood than anything else but I am not that great at even that, that's why I amn't a writer or something.
Havok 10 | 912
3 Nov 2010 #342
For me it is more important to be understood than anything else but I am not that great at even that, that's why I amn't a writer or something.

I wish there was more of you out there.
Teffle 22 | 1,321
3 Nov 2010 #343
0 out of 3.

So just out of interest are you revealing the nationalities?
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
3 Nov 2010 #344
Too late, your answer is invalid after me telling you the answer.

We could play again if you like, I will get three more contestants and you can tell me their ethnicity, right?

I could do this all night but it feels like I am just teasing a child.

Funny how you picked out people that don't look typically Polish
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
3 Nov 2010 #345
So just out of interest are you revealing the nationalities?

They are all Irish :)

Funny how you picked out people that don't look typically Polish

Funny how you thought two were Jewish and one was Polish and now you change your tune AFTER I told you were wrong.
Fancy doing it again?
convex 20 | 3,978
3 Nov 2010 #346
Funny how you picked out people that don't look typically Polish

I think you might be shocked to ifnd out that most Poles probably don't fit your idea of "typically Polish". Europe has been an ethnic blender for thousands of years.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
3 Nov 2010 #347
They are all Irish :)

Ok, but i knew they weren't Polish

Funny how you thought two were Jewish and one was Polish and now you change your tune AFTER I told you were wrong.
Fancy doing it again?

I'm not changing my tune, i didn't guess their nationality but they do not look Polish, even if they were, that doesn't mean they have one of the typical Polish looks.

Convex, 90% of the time i can tell someone is Polish, even if they're born in a different country and dress differently, that says something.
Havok 10 | 912
3 Nov 2010 #348
Imo British, Scottish and Irish look the same and you can't tell a difference who is who without a kilt.
let's discuss

edit:
... and bagpipes
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
3 Nov 2010 #349
Scottish

the one who hesitates to pay for the meal
Havok 10 | 912
3 Nov 2010 #350
When i wrote that i was envisioning more a photo of an Englishman, Irish and Scott hugging Edit:* at the socker game.

but ok
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
3 Nov 2010 #351
I think you might be shocked to ifnd out that most Poles probably don't fit your idea of "typically Polish". Europe has been an ethnic blender for thousands of years.

Yup. It would be sheer lunacy on my part to claim that I was "100% ethnically Scots".
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
3 Nov 2010 #352
Would you like to play again?
Havok 10 | 912
3 Nov 2010 #353
Yup. It would be sheer lunacy on my part to claim that I was "100% ethnically Scots".

ok so in your opinion what are you? I'm actually interested to know.

are you British of Scottish descent?

Don't tell me you're a plastic Polack because that's has been already reserved for us in the US.
1jola 14 | 1,879
3 Nov 2010 #354
A bit of sheep in there? Nah, he's not docile enough.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
3 Nov 2010 #356
Would you like to play again?

Play ball!!!!
Havok 10 | 912
3 Nov 2010 #357
Our Scot must be sleeping now. There are only so many hours in the day... skirts to iron pipes to blow... well it's settled then. Plastic Scottish hate Plastic Polacks, FTW
Piast Poland 3 | 182
4 Nov 2010 #358
One might not be 100% ethnically one ethnicity but there are those whose entire families are polish, have been considered polish and lived the polish way are polish. If people would abide by your classification, then no one would be purely anything anywhere.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
4 Nov 2010 #359
But how do they know that they are actually 100% Polish? They don't. Just because you can trace back to some great-grandparents doesn't mean a damn thing. I know quite a few people here in Western Poland with Germanic last names - yet they can only trace Poles in their family. Yet the last name clearly indicates that there's German history in there.

Most of the Plastic Polacks cannot understand that Poland wasn't ever 100% ethnically pure.
MediaWatch 10 | 945
4 Nov 2010 #360
Hmmmmm

So maybe Poland is like a nice delicious milkshake. You got a problem with that? LOL

You might be onto something.

I heard a bunch of Germans, Austrians, Ukrainians, Hungarians, Russkys, Swedes and others came into Eastern Europe, mixed up with each other and became the nice milkshake we today call Poland. ;)


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