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Where do most Polish-Americans identify on the political spectrum?


Billy_Vodka
5 Oct 2011 #1
Do Polish-Americans tend to be right-wing, left-wing, or what?
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
5 Oct 2011 #2
Polish-Americans were mostly stalwart supporters of the Democratic party for a long time and a scan of prominent Polish-American politicians today reveals that there are still more Democrats than Republicans among them. However Polish-Americans are now on average more affluent than most other ethnicities and this has probably resulted a higher percentage of them voting Republican than before, but Polish-Americans are now also on average more educated than most other ethnicities and Americans with advanced degrees tend to the Left even if they are wealthy. Unfortunately it seems that there are no poll results available online that give specific percentages of Polish-Americans on the Left and on the Right.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
5 Oct 2011 #3
So how does this equate with them voting for Kaczynski (one of only two countries in the world to do so) in the last election?

It's a shame that this alleged higher intelligence (which, after reading this forum, we can see is a myth) isn't used in our elections, too.

By the way - care to prove your comments about "more affluent" and "more educated"?
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
6 Oct 2011 #4
So how does this equate with them voting for Kaczynski (one of only two countries in the world to do so) in the last election?

There are at least 10,000,000 Polish-Americans. In 2007 27,000 Polish-Americans voted in Poland's national election of which 67% did vote for Kaczynski.

masterpage.com.pl/outlook/200710/disconnect.html

If you want to believe that the votes of 15,000 are representative of the political leanings of 10,000,000 then you really do want to be a dope.

By the way - care to prove your comments about "more affluent" and "more educated"?

It's a fact. Why don't you try to prove me wrong if you don't believe it.
OP Billy_Vodka
6 Oct 2011 #5
So how does this equate with them voting for Kaczynski (one of only two countries in the world to do so) in the last election?

This thread is meant for American politics only. As far as I know, most Polish-Americans do not vote in Polish elections.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
6 Oct 2011 #7
As far as I know, most Polish-Americans do not vote in Polish elections.

Quite right Billy. Even going with the conservative estimate of the Polish-American population at 10 million people that means that only one out of every 400 Polish-Americans voted in the 2007 Polish election.
OP Billy_Vodka
6 Oct 2011 #8
Most is still "too many".

What?

Quite right Billy. Even going with the conservative estimate of the Polish-American population at 10 million people that means that only one out of every 400 Polish-Americans voted in the 2007 Polish election.

I wonder what percentage of those that vote truly are Polish-American. I know a good chunk of them are immigrants who are not citizens.

I only consider people Polish-American if they are American citizens with Polish ancestry. Most PolAms I've met have no interest in Polish politics.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
6 Oct 2011 #9
Billy, nevermind Delphiandomine. lf you view his profile and read his thread titles you will see that he has an obsessive hatred of Polish-Americans.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
6 Oct 2011 #10
Most PolAms I've met have no interest in Polish politics.

Such is their national pride.

I expect they still wave Polish flags and talk about how POLISH they are.

It's a fact. Why don't you try to prove me wrong if you don't believe it.

Yeah, yeah. How about some evidence for your claim?

As they say - proof or it's not true.
OP Billy_Vodka
6 Oct 2011 #11
Such is their national pride.

I expect they still wave Polish flags and talk about how POLISH they are.

No, but they do wave American flags. :-)
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
6 Oct 2011 #12
Used to be (at least since FDR's time) a straight Democratic ticket (ballot) for the majority of PolAms. The Democrats were widely perceived as the party of the working man and ethnic minority, whilst Republicans were viewed as represented the upper, corporate classses.

That all started to change in the late '60s when Mc Govern was the Democratic presidential candidate. That was when every manner of leftist radical, draft-dodger, celebrity type, deviant sexual minority, hippy, libertine, religion-basher, anti-family type, ACLU activist, etc. began making an increasingly visible imprint on the Jackass Party.

In the last presidential election Afro-Americans, Hispanics and Jews remained overwhelmingly pro-Democrat desptie the party's leftist-libertine transformation, but European-rooted ethnic communities were now divided between the two parties, and PolAms probably more often that not voted Republican.

The pro-Kaczyński vote in Ameirca is not surprising, since he was perceived as representing the time-honoured values of God, country and family rather than untested fly-by-night social experimentation.

Going back to the 1995 presidential race, Chicagoland émigrés voted not for Wałęsa but for rightist Jan Olszewski, in New York Wałęsa was favoured and in Washington, DC Kwaśniewski won the most votes. That might suggest that Polish diplomacy and their families were still under the ex-communist infuence.

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Barney 15 | 1,472
6 Oct 2011 #13
That was when every manner of leftist radical, draft-dodger, celebrity type, deviant sexual minority, hippy, libertine, religion-basher, anti-family type, ACLU activist, etc. began making an increasingly visible imprint on the Jackass Party.

The Right wing, war mongering, dead beat, prudish, square, fascist, kiddie fiddler supporting, child exploiting Nazis, does Polonia like them?
legend 3 | 664
6 Oct 2011 #14
Yes these days more Poles vote Democrat (left wing) than Republicans.
I would say im a moderate. Mostly conservative socially, liberal financially

Most is still "too many".

Just ignore this post and if best his posts. He was raped in his youth and hates all Polish Americans.

Yeah, yeah. How about some evidence for your claim?

As they say - proof or it's not true.

Polish Americans score one of the highest in IQ tests.
Of course since you hate Polish Americans you will just say IQ isnt enough.

Poles have the 3rd highest Iqs in Europe.
Many say that elementary and secondary schools are better in Europe while Universities tend to be better in USA.
So Poles who attend Universities in USA tend to have high Iqs aswell.
BBman - | 344
6 Oct 2011 #15
Such is their national pride.

I expect they still wave Polish flags and talk about how POLISH they are.

Few PolAms go around waving Polish flags. The ones that do are usually fresh off the boat Poles who miss Poland and are having a hard time adjusting to life in the US. Generally Americans of eastern European descent rarely show any European pride openly like that.

Now, those Scottish-Americans who wear their kilts to the mall and talk about how Scottish they are (even though their ancestors came to the new world hundreds of years ago) are the ones you should be critiquing more. Same with Italian-Americans (most are mutts) who try to mimic real Italians and have Italian tattoos, bumper stickers, window flags etc.

Delph, have you considered seeking psychiatric help to treat your obsession? Or maybe you are just totally ignorant about US culture?
legend 3 | 664
6 Oct 2011 #16
Thats interesting. I can tell you the Poles here in Mississauga and Toronto area lots of people have the orzeł on a daily basis.
When World Cup or Euro Cup occur Polish flags are one of the most seen. I see a lot of Brazillian, German, Portuguese, British flags.

The Italians have the most flags (they are nuts lol).
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
6 Oct 2011 #17
Polish Americans score one of the highest in IQ tests.
Of course since you hate Polish Americans you will just say IQ isnt enough.

Given that IQ tests have been thoroughly discredited, it really isn't enough.

Still, statistics please? I'm not interested in PolskiMoc style "facts" - we need evidence!

Now, those Scottish-Americans who wear their kilts to the mall and talk about how Scottish they are (even though their ancestors came to the new world hundreds of years ago) are the ones you should be critiquing more. Same with Italian-Americans (most are mutts) who try to mimic real Italians and have Italian tattoos, bumper stickers, window flags etc.

They sound equally idiotic. I can imagine that if I encountered such idiots, I'd laugh in their face. I do know the kind though - they learn Gaelic despite having ancestors who came from a non-Gaelic area. Morons.

However, this is PolishForums, and so, off topic.
BBman - | 344
6 Oct 2011 #18
World Cup or Euro Cup

Ok, i agree here but that only happens once in 4 years. These international events have everyone looking for where their ancestors came from so they can fly a flag! This is just apart of that US/Canadian culture that delphi doesn't understand.

Aside from this, i rarely see polish flags.
OP Billy_Vodka
6 Oct 2011 #19
I wonder what percentage of PolAms actually cares about soccer though lol.
legend 3 | 664
7 Oct 2011 #20
Given that IQ tests have been thoroughly discredited, it really isn't enough.

Still, statistics please? I'm not interested in PolskiMoc style "facts" - we need evidence!

This is for Poland

iqcomparisonsite.com/NationalIQs.aspx

I wonder what percentage of PolAms actually cares about soccer though lol.

Im Canadian but its definitely top 2.

I only watch Hockey, Soccer and Tennis mostly. (I find baseball BORING and "American/Canadian" football has too many pauses. Favorite sports to play are hockey, soccer, tennis, basketball, ping pong.

When the Olympics come around then I watch whatever is on (I cheer more for Poland than Canada).
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
7 Oct 2011 #21
I am of the opinion that government and private enterprise are two completely seperate things and both should serve as a check for the other. They should never be aligned, always opposite or corruption results. With that point of view, I am neither right nor left since I believe both should exist and are necessary.
legend 3 | 664
7 Oct 2011 #22
Yes but there is much more to the label "left" or "right" than just business/finances. For example social politics are very important in what political place you can put yourself.
Chicago Pollock 7 | 504
7 Oct 2011 #23
Yeah, I used to vote Republican but that was as a moderate Republican not as posted above. Most Polish Americans vote their interest which is mostly Democrat. Polish Americans are too well educated and intelligent to believe all of the Right Wing Propaganda.

Polish Americans voting in the Kaczynski election? These were recent emigres from Poland, not Polish Americans.

Thats interesting. I can tell you the Poles here in Mississauga and Toronto area lots of people have the orzeł on a daily basis.

Aside from this, i rarely see polish flags.

Canadian culture isn't US culture. These are different countries. Most emigres in the US assimilate, in Canada they tend to hold on to the culture from which they came. For better or worse America is a melting pot, Canada is not.
legend 3 | 664
7 Oct 2011 #24
Aside from this, i rarely see polish flags.

Ya I guess that true for the flags. But people do put the orzeł by the thousands here usually on the car near the license plate

Most emigres in the US assimilate, in Canada they tend to hold on to the culture from which they came. For better or worse America is a melting pot, Canada is not.

I also had this idea (at least the first part) but several here said this isnt true for whatever reason.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
16 Dec 2011 #25
There are at least 10,000,000 Polish-Americans.

Wrong. The 10 million you speak of are people who identify themselves (feel) being Polish. The stats are from the census. If you remember it asked to mark an ethnic group you felt was your main background. So if someone for instance was half Polish half Irish and looked and felt Irish he put that down as his main ancestry, it still didn't change the fact he was half Polish. 'Polish Americans form an important segment of the great mosaic of America, comprising the sixth largest ethnic group in America. More than 20 million live throughout the 50 states. Ten million are of full Polish heritage, while ten million share partial Polish heritage.'

polishamericancenter.org/PolishPeople_Phila.html
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
16 Dec 2011 #26
Wrong.

No, not wrong as you see I qualified the 10,000,000 figure with the phrase "at least".
Havok 10 | 912
16 Dec 2011 #27
Do Polish-Americans tend to be right-wing, left-wing, or what?

the older gen tents to go republican, the younger generation often votes democrat.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
16 Dec 2011 #28
And the really old older generation tends to vote Democratic because they lived through the Great Depression.
Havok 10 | 912
16 Dec 2011 #29
I only consider people Polish-American if they are American citizens with Polish ancestry. Most PolAms I've met have no interest in Polish politics.

I would completely agree with you. I never voted in Polish elections, I didn't even know who was in charge in Poland until the plain crush in Russia when Placek died, or was it Jacek? Anyway, Mr. Dope must be on drugs again so don't listen to him.

But don't get me wrong guys, it doesn't mean I don't care about Poland, I do, but I was just effing too busy working.
Gruffi_Gummi - | 106
16 Dec 2011 #30
Do Polish-Americans tend to be right-wing, left-wing, or what?

They consistently tend to vote Democratic, although after what Roosevelt and his party did to Poland this is just a proof that Polish jokes are not without merit.

Personally, I am a libertarian, and a Ron Paul supporter.

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