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Where do most Polish-Americans identify on the political spectrum?


Harry
23 Dec 2011 #91
Once the group reaches a size of 5 we start to argue, divide, poke each other and b1tch at everything.

Until there is any criticism from or conflict with any non-Pole, in which case there is sudden unity, even if all the Poles but one think that the other Pole is actually wrong.
Havok 10 | 912
23 Dec 2011 #92
Until there is any criticism from or conflict with any non-Pole

it's ok to for us to mess with each other but don't mess with us, if that makes any sense.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
23 Dec 2011 #93
A reminder that this is about the political spectrum.

For the Polonia posters here, who would you have voted for in the last election and why? Also, what is your take on parties such as PJN? Thanks!
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
23 Dec 2011 #94
Seanus, please read the thread before asking dumb questions. The OP made it clear in post #5 quoted below:

This thread is meant for American politics only. As far as I know, most Polish-Americans do not vote in Polish elections.

There are at least 10 million Polish-Americans and less than 30,000 of them vote in Polish elections.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
23 Dec 2011 #95
For the Polonia posters here, who would you have voted for in the last election and why? Also, what is your take on parties such as PJN? Thanks!

I'd be willing to bet that none of them even know what PJN means.

There are at least 10 million Polish-Americans and less than 30,000 of them vote in Polish elections.

30,000 too many.

Seanus, please read the thread before asking dumb questions.

Mods?
Harry
23 Dec 2011 #96
Seanus, please read the thread before asking dumb questions.

Could you perhaps at least try not to use inflammatory language to describe the comments of other posters?

less than 30,000 of them vote in Polish elections.

27,000 at the last election. Which would be about 27,000 more of them who pay any tax in Poland or accept any of the responsibilities which go with being Polish.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
23 Dec 2011 #97
it's ok to for us to mess with each other but don't mess with us, if that makes any sense.

It makes perfect sense and that is why this cadre of angry British expatriates, that are so craven that they stoop to the use of ethnic slurs, will always have their obnoxiousness pointed out to them by proud Poles and Polonians upon this forum.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
23 Dec 2011 #98
Mods?

It would make perfect sense, if only Poles actually saw Polish-Americans as being Polish. Unfortunately, they don't.
Harry
23 Dec 2011 #99
this cadre of angry British expatriates, that are so craven that they stoop to the use of ethnic slurs

their obnoxiousness

Is anything going to be done about this constant flaming or are other people free to reply in kind?

It would make perfect sense, if only Poles actually saw Polish-Americans as being Polish. Unfortunately, they don't.

Why is that in any way unfortunate? Especially given the political leanings of Polish-Americans (i.e. towards the party that the majority of Poles would never vote for)?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
23 Dec 2011 #100
I should have written "unfortunately for Polish-Americans", shouldn't I?

It is very interesting to look at why Polish-Americans vote for PiS however - it's obvious that it's based on some sentimental rubbish and not based on the reality on the ground.

Is anything going to be done about this constant flaming or are other people free to reply in kind?

We don't lower ourselves to his level, remember? We certainly shouldn't reply to it, apart from to ask the mods about it.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
23 Dec 2011 #101
Funny that as I got told by a Mod quite some time go that I wasn't to go too deeply into American politics.

But let me oblige you a little and ask if there are any Newt Gingrich fans here. Who would vote for such a cretin?

Poland: The Unofficial Guide. Aha, so which state is Poland in again?? The state is one of being in the pocket of the US.
Harry
23 Dec 2011 #102
We certainly shouldn't reply to it, apart from to ask the mods about it.

One does wonder if they will ever both to do something about it, or even reply. Their silence suggests that they are willing to let a certain Polish-American poster poison the discussion here to the point of toxicity.

It is very interesting to look at why Polish-Americans vote for PiS however - it's obvious that it's based on some sentimental rubbish and not based on the reality on the ground.

And the fact that they will not be affected in any way by the lunacy that a PiS-led government is.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
23 Dec 2011 #103
Havok, I don't vote as I'm not a Polish citizen. I'm habitually resident here, yes, but don't follow Polish politics too closely. Enough to see developments and say a few things.

Political affiliation is showing your political colours through taking a side. In America, I believe it's a lesser-of-two-evils scenario. You are better placed to comment on the effects of Obama's domestic decisions but his foreign policy, though leaving much to be desired in many ways, is not as catastrophic as neocon hawks. Giving the green light to attack Iran would be catastrophic and they are all for it on the right.
Harry
23 Dec 2011 #104
Havoc, would I be correct in saying that you do not vote in Polish elections?
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
23 Dec 2011 #105
Funny that as I got told by a Mod quite some time go that I wasn't to go too deeply into American politics.

Were you told that in regards to this thread? I doubt it as this thread is about American politics.

Poland: The Unofficial Guide. Aha, so which state is Poland in again??

You are in this forum's Polonia-USA/Canada section where American politics may be discussed. If you don't like it then get out.

The state is one of being in the pocket of the US.

Really Poland is in the USA's "pocket"? I am not sure about that, but I do know that Britain is a small dog that sits upon the USA's lap and that is why we read alot of Anti-Americanism upon this forum from some of its British expatriate posters. They, being imperialists at heart who believe they are "enlightening" the Poles by deigning to live and work in Poland, are jealous that the glory days of British imperialism are gone and that Britian's place as a worlwide empire has been usurped by the USA.
Havok 10 | 912
23 Dec 2011 #106
Political affiliation is showing your political colours

Thank you for your answer, it looks like Ron Paul would be your guy, that is if you were a US citizen.
Havok 10 | 912
23 Dec 2011 #107
Havoc, would I be correct in saying that you do not vote in Polish elections?

Seriously Harry, are you retarded? Can you read what the subject is?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
23 Dec 2011 #108
Not this thread, no

Any Polish politicians in America, DE?

Well, I dislike imperialism in any form so I don't see myself as part of that.

Yeah, Ron Paul is very much the guy for me. I follow him and like his principled approach. I loved his attack on Sean Hannity. Hammy is a true disgrace who even made McCain look like the model of moderate ways :)
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
23 Dec 2011 #109
One does wonder if they will ever both to do something about it, or even reply. Their silence suggests that they are willing to let a certain Polish-American poster poison the discussion here to the point of toxicity.

In all fairness, they don't appear to have been active today, so perhaps they haven't seen it yet. I'm sure they'll deal with the vile abuse in due course.

(aha - just spotted a post moved to the bin, so they'll see this)

Really Poland is in the USA's "pocket"?

Mods?

Mods, would you like us to reply in kind to this type of post?

No, we shouldn't. The moral high ground is the traditional British domain, and so it shall stay!
Harry
23 Dec 2011 #110
Seriously Harry, are you retarded? Can you read what the subject is?

a) Could you please use more civil language.
b) If you don't vote in Polish elections, wouldn't that suggest that you don't really identify with any parts of the Polish political spectrum? I'm assuming that the question refers at least also to the Polish political spectrum, what with this being Polishforums and all that.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
23 Dec 2011 #111
Any Polish politicians in America, DE?

Here is a list of 27 although some of those listed are now deceased: famouswhy.com/List/c/Polish-American_politicians

Well, I dislike imperialism in any form so I don't see myself as part of that.

It good that you say that, as imperialism is vile, but ask yourself if you mayn't have subconciously adopted some of the patronizing attitudes of an imperialist.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
23 Dec 2011 #112
Here is a list of 27 although some of those listed are now deceased

Much to my surprise, most of them appear to be true Americans.
Harry
23 Dec 2011 #113
ask yourself if you mayn't have subconciously adopted some of the patronizing attitudes of an imperialist.

Can I ask how that is in any way related to the topic of this thread?
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
23 Dec 2011 #114
I'm assuming that the question refers at least also to the Polish political spectrum, what with this being Polishforums and all that.

Can't you read? The OP clarified the question in the 5th post of this thread. It refers only to American politics.
Harry
23 Dec 2011 #115
Much to my surprise, most of them appear to be true Americans.

Much like the vast majority of the 'English-American' presidents listed here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_American#Presidents_of_English_descent

It'd be interesting to compare the political leanings of the Pol-Ams listed to their degree of Polishness.

Can't you read?

Are you utterly incapable of civil discourse?
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
23 Dec 2011 #116
most of them appear to be true Americans.

Yes they are true Polish-Americans and their Polishness is a fact that you cannot do anything to change, but please keep trying because your futile antics amuse us. Hahahahahaha!
Harry
23 Dec 2011 #117
their Polishness

So perhaps you would care to compare their degree of Polishness to their political leanings? Are the ones who talk about pierogis and Busia more likely (or less likely) to be from a particular part of the political spectrum than those who have actually been to Poland and than those who have done things to help Poland?

please keep trying because your futile antics amuse us. Hahahahahaha!

I do somewhat fail to see how that falls under the description of 'civil discourse'.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
23 Dec 2011 #118
Thanks, DE. What is Letterman doing there at no23?? ;)

Quick question for PolAms here. Why hasn't Obama followed through on the carrot/stick approach with Iran? Easy answer, really.

Patronising attitude of an imperialist?? What do you mean? Being an imperialist is a mind-set which I don't identify with. Look back on the 9/11 threads. I reject hegemony through things like the PNAC. Another example? Chechnya. I disliked McCain's opportunistic dig at Russia. I see the Russian side of things at times but what they did in Chechnya was just wrong. Control of the Caucasus was key and the US and GB just let it happen as they do the same.

DE, I wouldn't be so quick to call it anti-Americanism. Some of the most patriotic and prominent Americans joined the 9/11 truth movement and they want what's best for their country. We see now what's happening so we understand their stance. The hawks are just itching to attack Iran but that would end badly!
Havok 10 | 912
23 Dec 2011 #119
a) Could you please use more civil language.

I would probably support Civic Platform. I think they're doing a great job.

Harry, I can read Polish and I understand the language pretty well. frankly I probably have a better idea than you do on what is going on there. Please learn some Polish dude. You lived there for almost two decades now. Sorry for my delayed response, I'm still at work.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
23 Dec 2011 #120
Can't you read? The OP clarified the question in the 5th post of this thread. It refers only to American politics.

Mods?

Yes they are true Polish-Americans and their Polishness is a fact that you cannot do anything to change, but please keep trying because your futile antics amuse us. Hahahahahaha!

Mods?(incidentally, there's no such thing as a true Polish-American - both ethnicities, are by design, an utter mixed breed)

So perhaps you would care to compare their degree of Polishness to their political leanings? Are the ones who talk about pierogis and Busia more likely (or less likely) to be from a particular part of the political spectrum than those who have actually been to Poland and than those who have done things to help Poland?

I think it's safe to say that the more 'pierogies' consumed and the more 'world's greatest busia' t-shirts worn, the more likely they are to be PiS voting. And we wall know what real Poles think about such people.

I do somewhat fail to see how that falls under the description of 'civil discourse'.

Perhaps the mods would like to rule on that one.

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